Why millennials can't land jobs

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HamburgerBoy

Lifer
Apr 12, 2004
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lol, I remember in a biochem class in undergrad, a girl behind me was complaining about her interview to get into nursing school (IIRC). She was upset because they asked her questions. "I thought that interviews were just to, like, make sure you're not a creep or something". Had a very difficult time not laughing out loud.

EDIT: This particular student misspelled the word "chemistry" in the title of her chemistry senior seminar presentation, btw, so I'm not trying to say it's necessarily a trend. The problem is that fucking morons are encouraged to go to college and work in white collar positions with generous loans and subsidies, when in reality they should be cleaning floors, or better yet, not exist at all.
 
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pcgeek11

Lifer
Jun 12, 2005
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As a gainfully employed millennial, I have to ask:

Aren't these people just your everyday idiot? I mean, except for issues born of inexperience, what does their age really indicate?

Because I've put in the time, heard the stories, and I'm pretty sure most of the boomers were feckless twits in their 20s too.

No most were not. Most of us had to work or starve.

There are "feckless twits" in every generation. IMO the millennials have a double helping if not more.
 

DrPizza

Administrator Elite Member Goat Whisperer
Mar 5, 2001
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I sat in on an interview a while ago. It wasn't a millennial, but the interviewee still managed to completely eliminate any chance of hire. "So, why did you decide to go into teaching?" "Well, my company laid off a lot of workers at the same time. I hadn't been keeping up to date on the skills in my field, because I had moved on to a higher position where I was more of a liaison between the other workers and the customers. So, when they cut the whole department, I figured I didn't have a chance against all the other people who were laid off. I tried to find positions like my old position, but didn't have any luck. So, I decided to try sales. I got a job at a car dealer. That didn't turn out so well. So, I got another job in sales. That too was all commission, and didn't work out very well or pay the bills. So, as a last resort, I decided to give teaching a shot."

The interviewee was the ONLY person who submitted all the required paperwork on time. We reposted the position and found a much better candidate.
 

sze5003

Lifer
Aug 18, 2012
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My college had a requirement of completing an internship in order to graduate. They also required you to submit a resume to the advising office for review and they had mock interviews being recorded that they would go over with you and tell you what you did wrong or good. I never did mock interviews but fine tuned my resume. And if you can't speak about something don't put it on the resume. Go to enough interviews even if you don't get the position it's practice.
 

Jeff7

Lifer
Jan 4, 2001
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I sat in on an interview a while ago. It wasn't a millennial, but the interviewee still managed to completely eliminate any chance of hire. "So, why did you decide to go into teaching?" "Well, my company laid off a lot of workers at the same time. I hadn't been keeping up to date on the skills in my field, because I had moved on to a higher position where I was more of a liaison between the other workers and the customers. So, when they cut the whole department, I figured I didn't have a chance against all the other people who were laid off. I tried to find positions like my old position, but didn't have any luck. So, I decided to try sales. I got a job at a car dealer. That didn't turn out so well. So, I got another job in sales. That too was all commission, and didn't work out very well or pay the bills. So, as a last resort, I decided to give teaching a shot."

The interviewee was the ONLY person who submitted all the required paperwork on time. We reposted the position and found a much better candidate.
:biggrin:


That's fantastic.


It was overly long though.


"So, why did you decide to go into teaching?"

"Eh, I just thought, fuck it, why not?"
 

Ruptga

Lifer
Aug 3, 2006
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Uh, No. Feel free to tell us about yours however! We are all ears.

It's a pretty typical story, really. First my folks would drop me off or I'd ride the bus, starting in 4th grade I regularly walked home, until 5th grade when I realized I could run home in half the time and it really wasn't that much harder than walking.

But don't stop douching up the thread on my account.
 

alkemyst

No Lifer
Feb 13, 2001
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I think BikeJunkie is exaggerating MAJORLY.

He probably is making < $50k a year, and trying to hire a good "fry guy"

Based on some his posts, I'd probably have attacked him in those interviews.

That said, I haven't been on many interviews that had more than just the HR person on the phone for the first step.
 

Sho'Nuff

Diamond Member
Jul 12, 2007
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I work in a relatively small law firm and on the side I teach patent law at a local law school. Based on this experience I have come to learn that Millenial law students/candidates -

1. Cannot write - seriously, does no one teach proper use of punctuation anymore? There is no reason to use ten commas in a sentence. Really! Yes, this has happened. On more than one occasion.

2. Have poor time and schedule management skills - If X is due to the client by Friday and it must be reviewed before it goes out, I have to get it to the reviewer before it is due? Whoa....

3. Are more concerned with going home than getting the job done - Me: This patent application you gave me is a good start but needs a ton of work. Recently fired young lawyer: Ok . . . Can't you do that? Me: No. I'm working on another urgent project for a different client. Do XYZ and let me see the result. 20 minutes later - Recently fired young lawyer: here you go, I did XYZ. Me - Ok I will take a look at it in a minute. 2 minutes later - I review and see that XYZ was not done. Go to recently fired lawyer's office - he has gone home.

4. Cannot accept criticism - Every young lawyer I have critiqued recently seems to think that the reason their work product sucks is because I or someone else in the firm hasn't spent enough time training them. Newsflash, you all were hired because you were a 3-4th year associate! You should know how to do most of the stuff we ask you to do already!

5. Have absolutely no clue - ME: this patent application is crap because ABC . . . Recently fired lawyer - "At my old firm I was told to do that because . . . . " Me: You were told wrong. I don't know who trained you, but here are five reasons why you don't do that. Recently fired lawyer - "But at my old firm . . ." Me - I don't care what you did at your old firm because what you did at your old firm is wrong, for the reasons I just explained to you. Recently fired lawyer - "But. . . " Me - No buts! And don't bring up your old firm again. You haven't demonstrated to anyone here that you know what you are doing. In fact all you have done is demonstrate to every senior attorney in the firm that you do not know what you are doing. So if I were you I would try to forget what your old firm trained you to do, because frankly they shafted you. They filled you with a false sense of knowledge and accomplishment, while teaching you precisely the wrong way to approach XYZ type of projects.

Argh . . . pisses me off just thinking about it.
 
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pcgeek11

Lifer
Jun 12, 2005
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Will your encore be to describe your daily trip to school?

It's a pretty typical story, really. First my folks would drop me off or I'd ride the bus, starting in 4th grade I regularly walked home, until 5th grade when I realized I could run home in half the time and it really wasn't that much harder than walking.

But don't stop douching up the thread on my account.

Oh, Sorry. I thought that is what you wanted to do since you started.

Fucking Millennial!
 

Ruptga

Lifer
Aug 3, 2006
10,246
207
106
Since I'm apparently a Millennial now, let's see if I can offer some explanation. I'm not trying to excuse anything, just laying out some facts and very common patterns.

Most (all?) of us grow up hearing "go to college, get an education so you're a shoe-in for a good job," and we hear it from everywhere so we actually believe it. Then we're pressured to go to college immediately after high school, because the longer you put it off the less likely you will go to college. Then we find ourselves in college with little to no real life experience, where we try to figure out just who we are and what we want to do with the entire rest of our lives, no big deal. Then we (most of us at least) graduate with a degree in something, hopefully something that's directly applicable to a trade (accounting, programming, geology, whatever), and we try to find entry level work with our BS. When we get interviews we do really stupid things because we lack life experience, lack work experience (especially in professional settings), still aren't real certain we're making the right choices, and we think that piece of paper we just got actually means something. If we don't find that our entry level jobs are being filled by experienced but unlucky veterans, we find ourselves in jobs that we (may) know a bit about but we really have no idea how to do the job. When we realize that we often react poorly (same as anyone else); we may feel overwhelmed and blow off work just to escape it, we may compensate for incompetence with bravado, etc.

Things are even worse for those that don't graduate (for financial or personal reasons), graduate with a useless degree (useless major, weak grades, personality doesn't fit the field, whatever), aren't accepted for a job in their field, or aren't accepted for a decent job at all.

Knowing what I do now, I advise to never go to college unless you're very certain of what you want. Instead they should work full time and live in their own place for a year, to see what adult life is really like before they try to decide how they want to live it. Some people will do that and find their way into a job with long term potential right away, and that's great since that is the whole point of college. Those that still go to college will actually have a clue, and their grades and choice of majors should reflect that. Then once they've graduated they will already have work experience at a real job so they will have some idea of how to talk to a boss, what kind of attire works in what offices, and how to accept help when they're new on the job. Oh, and with actual life experience comes an appreciation for just how much money those student loans are for, which should lead to fewer financial problems later.
 

rednas

Senior member
May 26, 2010
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I have never been able to get a job utilizing my degree but I have been able to get jobs utilizing the skills I learned from the job I had while I was in college. I have never been unemployed nor underemployed but I have never used my degree either.
 

MongGrel

Lifer
Dec 3, 2013
38,466
3,067
121
Since I'm apparently a Millennial now, let's see if I can offer some explanation. I'm not trying to excuse anything, just laying out some facts and very common patterns.

Most (all?) of us grow up hearing "go to college, get an education so you're a shoe-in for a good job," and we hear it from everywhere so we actually believe it. Then we're pressured to go to college immediately after high school, because the longer you put it off the less likely you will go to college. Then we find ourselves in college with little to no real life experience, where we try to figure out just who we are and what we want to do with the entire rest of our lives, no big deal. Then we (most of us at least) graduate with a degree in something, hopefully something that's directly applicable to a trade (accounting, programming, geology, whatever), and we try to find entry level work with our BS. When we get interviews we do really stupid things because we lack life experience, lack work experience (especially in professional settings), still aren't real certain we're making the right choices, and we think that piece of paper we just got actually means something. If we don't find that our entry level jobs are being filled by experienced but unlucky veterans, we find ourselves in jobs that we (may) know a bit about but we really have no idea how to do the job. When we realize that we often react poorly (same as anyone else); we may feel overwhelmed and blow off work just to escape it, we may compensate for incompetence with bravado, etc.

Things are even worse for those that don't graduate (for financial or personal reasons), graduate with a useless degree (useless major, weak grades, personality doesn't fit the field, whatever), aren't accepted for a job in their field, or aren't accepted for a decent job at all.

Knowing what I do now, I advise to never go to college unless you're very certain of what you want. Instead they should work full time and live in their own place for a year, to see what adult life is really like before they try to decide how they want to live it. Some people will do that and find their way into a job with long term potential right away, and that's great since that is the whole point of college. Those that still go to college will actually have a clue, and their grades and choice of majors should reflect that. Then once they've graduated they will already have work experience at a real job so they will have some idea of how to talk to a boss, what kind of attire works in what offices, and how to accept help when they're new on the job. Oh, and with actual life experience comes an appreciation for just how much money those student loans are for, which should lead to fewer financial problems later.
It has always been that way actually, the internet just has made it more available for people to display it.

Should have become a lawyer myself I guess.

But is a moot point these days.
 

alkemyst

No Lifer
Feb 13, 2001
83,769
19
81
Since I'm apparently a Millennial now, let's see if I can offer some explanation. I'm not trying to excuse anything, just laying out some facts and very common patterns.

Most (all?) of us grow up hearing "go to college, get an education so you're a shoe-in for a good job," and we hear it from everywhere so we actually believe it. Then we're pressured to go to college immediately after high school, because the longer you put it off the less likely you will go to college. Then we find ourselves in college with little to no real life experience, where we try to figure out just who we are and what we want to do with the entire rest of our lives, no big deal. Then we (most of us at least) graduate with a degree in something, hopefully something that's directly applicable to a trade (accounting, programming, geology, whatever), and we try to find entry level work with our BS. When we get interviews we do really stupid things because we lack life experience, lack work experience (especially in professional settings), still aren't real certain we're making the right choices, and we think that piece of paper we just got actually means something. If we don't find that our entry level jobs are being filled by experienced but unlucky veterans, we find ourselves in jobs that we (may) know a bit about but we really have no idea how to do the job. When we realize that we often react poorly (same as anyone else); we may feel overwhelmed and blow off work just to escape it, we may compensate for incompetence with bravado, etc.

Things are even worse for those that don't graduate (for financial or personal reasons), graduate with a useless degree (useless major, weak grades, personality doesn't fit the field, whatever), aren't accepted for a job in their field, or aren't accepted for a decent job at all.

Knowing what I do now, I advise to never go to college unless you're very certain of what you want. Instead they should work full time and live in their own place for a year, to see what adult life is really like before they try to decide how they want to live it. Some people will do that and find their way into a job with long term potential right away, and that's great since that is the whole point of college. Those that still go to college will actually have a clue, and their grades and choice of majors should reflect that. Then once they've graduated they will already have work experience at a real job so they will have some idea of how to talk to a boss, what kind of attire works in what offices, and how to accept help when they're new on the job. Oh, and with actual life experience comes an appreciation for just how much money those student loans are for, which should lead to fewer financial problems later.

no again with that.
 

kyrax12

Platinum Member
May 21, 2010
2,416
2
81
I work in a relatively small law firm and on the side I teach patent law at a local law school. Based on this experience I have come to learn that Millenial law students/candidates -

1. Cannot write - seriously, does no one teach proper use of puncuation anymore? There is no reason to use ten commas in a sentence. Really! Yes, this has happened. On more than one occasion.

2. Have poor time an schedule management skills - If X is due to the client by Friday and it must be reviewed before it goes out, I have to get it to the reviewer before it is due? Whoa....

3. Are more concerned with going home than getting the job done - Me: This patent application you gave me is a good start but needs a ton of work. Recently fired young lawyer: Ok . . . Can't you do that? Me: No. I'm working on another urgent project for a different client. Do XYZ and let me see the result. 20 minutes later - Recently fired young lawyer: here you go, I did XYZ. Me - Ok I will take a look at it in a minute. 2 minutes later - I review and see that XYZ was not done. Go to recently fired lawyer's office - he has gone home.

4. Cannot accept criticism - Every young lawyer I have critiqued recently seems to think that the reason their work product sucks is because I or someone else in the firm hasn't spent enough time training them. Newsflash, you all were hired because you were a 3-4th year associate! You should know how to do most of the stuff we ask you to do already!

5. Have absolutely no clue - ME: this patent application is crap because ABC . . . Recently fired lawyer - "At my old firm I was told to do that because . . . . " Me: You were told wrong. I don't know who trained you, but here are five reasons why you don't do that. Recently fired lawyer - "But at my old firm . . ." Me - I don't care what you did at your old firm because what you did at your old firm is wrong, for the reasons I just explained to you. Recently fired lawyer - "But. . . " Me - No buts! And don't bring up your old firm again. You haven't demonstrated to anyone here that you know what you are doing. In fact all you have done is demonstrate to every senior attorney in the firm that you do not know what you are doing. So if I were you I would try to forget what your old firm trained you to do, because frankly they shafted you. They filled you with a false sense of knowledge and accomplishment, while teaching you precisely the wrong way to approach XYZ type of projects.

Argh . . . pisses me off just thinking about it.

Is there a "Harvey Specter" in your firm?
 

kyrax12

Platinum Member
May 21, 2010
2,416
2
81
I sat in on an interview a while ago. It wasn't a millennial, but the interviewee still managed to completely eliminate any chance of hire. "So, why did you decide to go into teaching?" "Well, my company laid off a lot of workers at the same time. I hadn't been keeping up to date on the skills in my field, because I had moved on to a higher position where I was more of a liaison between the other workers and the customers. So, when they cut the whole department, I figured I didn't have a chance against all the other people who were laid off. I tried to find positions like my old position, but didn't have any luck. So, I decided to try sales. I got a job at a car dealer. That didn't turn out so well. So, I got another job in sales. That too was all commission, and didn't work out very well or pay the bills. So, as a last resort, I decided to give teaching a shot."

The interviewee was the ONLY person who submitted all the required paperwork on time. We reposted the position and found a much better candidate.
Guess telling the truth will kill ya there....
 

MongGrel

Lifer
Dec 3, 2013
38,466
3,067
121
Guess telling the truth will kill ya there....
Yeah , it probably did, and she was just sick of trying and depressed.

I've been there actually' not long ago, and even though I've found a reasonably comparable job to what I had been doing the last 30 years still doesn't pay what I used to make at a major corporation that dumped em due to outsourcing.

Companies do not pay for experience and loyalty these days.
 

alkemyst

No Lifer
Feb 13, 2001
83,769
19
81
Yeah , it probably did, and she was just sick of trying and depressed.

I've been there actually' not long ago, and even though I've found a reasonably comparable job to what I had been doing the last 30 years still doesn't pay what I used to make at a major corporation that dumped em due to outsourcing.

Companies do not pay for experience and loyalty these days.

wow just wow.

I am guessing you make 5 figures. Companies do pay for experience and loyalty these days.

You must have missed that bus. It's not always the short one you should have got on.
 
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