Why Mormons are not Christian:

[IEC]

Originally posted by: FreshFish

Originally posted by: ariafrost

Originally posted by: FreshFish
Let's get to the real question: who's right?

Heh, God of course

And if God as in YHWH is correct, it then logically follows that orthodox Christianity is "right".

But I will not tell Mormons that they are wrong. They have their own beliefs and it is fine with me as long as they do not identify themselves as "Christians" because that designation puts them on an equal basis with orthodox Christianity and confuses the heck out of non-religious people.

I'm not religious and I have never thought of Mormons as Christians, of course I have never really thought about it. Honestly, most of the time I hear discussion of Mormons it is bashing them or somehow making fun of their beliefs. I am not saying that you are doing that, but it's obvious that you don't want to be associated with them. Can't we all just get along!?

Yes we can all get along, I have some friends that are Mormon actually. I'm just clarifying that our religious beliefs are FAR too different to be considered similar. Another issue is when I say "Church of Christ" some people say, what are you Mormon? So I'm just educating

 

[Gigantopithecus]

Originally posted by: Praetor
cliffs?

Just some religious bigotry.

 

[Nebor]

Originally posted by: Praetor
cliffs?

God said "Fvck this" and went to play tetherball approximately 500 years ago.

 

[Gigantopithecus]

Originally posted by: ariafrost

Yes we can all get along, I have some friends that are Mormon actually.

Gee, wow, do you also happen to have some friends who are black, too? :roll:

 

[Vic]

If, by "Christian," the OP means a follower of the Jesus in the Gospels, then there is not a single "Christian" church on earth. Not one.

 

[MAME]

who the hell cares if they're christian or not

neither of them are right anyway

 

[gopunk]

Originally posted by: ariafrost

Originally posted by: msparish
Ariafrost, as a former mormon turned athiest...your understanding (and the site you quote) of mormon theology is very limited. Especially your coception of the mormon jesus christ. In mormon belief, jesus was perfect and never sinned. The non-virgin birth you refer to deals with very old statement primarily aimed at stating that god the father is the father of jesus and not the holy ghost. It was through the power of the holy ghost that the conception took place. Mormon cannon and scripture explicitly states this. There is no doctrine that jesus was married...some have speculated though, as have some historians.

Before you start talking, make sure what you have some knowledge about the subject you are talking about please. You state that mormons are not christian, when the only thing you attempt to describe is that mormon's are not orthodox. Regardless of what you want to say, a christian is someone who believes that jesus is the savior and attempts to emulate his teachings.

Nevertheless, even if I did believe in god, don't get the impression that I would still be a part of the mormon church. Quite simply, I don't believe in it either. That does not change the fact that several of your views and sources are wrong about it.

There is one simple fact which turns what you have said: Mormons believe in salvation by works, not by faith, and thus do not truly believe that Jesus is their Saviour. Therefore they cannot be called Christians. Nice try.

do you state your opinion as fact just to convince yourself?

as you stated in your OP, you have done nothing but shown that mormons are not orthodox christians. you have to show that you must be orthodox christian to be christian before you can show that mormons are not christians.

 

[msparish]

Originally posted by: ariafrost

Originally posted by: FreshFish

Originally posted by: ariafrost

Originally posted by: FreshFish
Let's get to the real question: who's right?

Heh, God of course

And if God as in YHWH is correct, it then logically follows that orthodox Christianity is "right".

But I will not tell Mormons that they are wrong. They have their own beliefs and it is fine with me as long as they do not identify themselves as "Christians" because that designation puts them on an equal basis with orthodox Christianity and confuses the heck out of non-religious people.

I'm not religious and I have never thought of Mormons as Christians, of course I have never really thought about it. Honestly, most of the time I hear discussion of Mormons it is bashing them or somehow making fun of their beliefs. I am not saying that you are doing that, but it's obvious that you don't want to be associated with them. Can't we all just get along!?

Yes we can all get along, I have some friends that are Mormon actually. I'm just clarifying that our religious beliefs are FAR too different to be considered similar. Another issue is when I say "Church of Christ" some people say, what are you Mormon? So I'm just educating

There's no problem with saying the beliefs aren't that similar, but to say that mormon's aren't christian when you mean to say they aren't orthodox christian is a little misleading.

For the most part, I find mormon doctrine and theology to be very robust, but there are other issues I find troubling with it. Regardless, I no longer really worry about that sort of thing as I don't believe in god anyhow. Enough of that though.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: ariafrost
Yes we can all get along, I have some friends that are Mormon actually. I'm just clarifying that our religious beliefs are FAR too different to be considered similar. Another issue is when I say "Church of Christ" some people say, what are you Mormon? So I'm just educating

You're not educating, you're spreading lies and intolerence. You're treating others as you yourself would most likely not wish to be treated. You're acting a hypocrite and making all Christianity look bad.

 

[Atomicus]

Mormons believe in that crazy new-age prophet.

 

[Miramonti]

Oh the irony of evangelicals quoting the vatican dissing mormons when the ev's believe catholicism is a cult. :roll:

In reality, most other religions and denominations are cults to evangelicals, which tells me one thing....who the REAL cult members are. If anything should be sent to pergatory and beyond, its the evangelical arrogance and self-righteousness.

 

[Nebor]

Originally posted by: Vic
If, by "Christian," the OP means a follower of the Jesus in the Gospels, then there is not a single "Christian" church on earth. Not one.

If my "Christian," the OP means a follow of marshmallows bent on sodomizing the world's supply of long socks, then there is not a single "Christian" church on earth. Not one.

See, I can do it too!

 

[alkemyst]

hmm only criteria to being a Christian is believeing in Christ.

Also isn't there something about not judging others or something something in that bible booklet?

fight on Christian Soldier!

 

[JoeKing]

Originally posted by: ariafrost

Originally posted by: JoeKing
Protestants :roll:

Hah. Well I'm heading back to church for some youth group activities, so I'll come back to respond to any other questions/posts in a few hours. Don't make it a flame-fest while I'm gone or you'll burn in eternal flames... :evil:

well I'm catholic and I feel it's about high time for another religous war/cleansing



*dirka* *dirka* *dirka* *dirka* *dirka*

 

[dugweb]

Originally posted by: ariafrost

Originally posted by: dugweb

That's an outrite lie, and you know it. The Nicene Creed is your final authority. You revere that creed just as much as you do the NT if not more, even though the doctrine expressed within the creed is the product of debate, and compromising between many different branches of the early church.

The nicene creed raises a lot of red flags in my opinion.

Quite the contrary my friend. The Nicene Creed is an example that compactly portrays the core beliefs of orthodox Christianity. The Bible IS the final authority for me as a Church of Christ-affiliated Protestant. Perhaps you should know more about me before you condemn me

I wasnt condemning you... i was just clarifying where you were getting your beliefs. Many protestents are confused, they believe that what they are being taught is stated clearly in the bible when in reality, they are being taught what a bunch of men intrepret the meaning in the bible. And it's usless to post scriptures saying one way or the other, because the way you may understand a scripture, i might pull an entirely different meaning from it.

another thought... if you are right (as you seem to implie in your posts), than everyone else is wrong. EVERYONE, not just mormons, every other denomination out there besides yours is wrong. If you don't agree with this than condemning one for being 'too' far from the way you believe makes you a hypocrite.

 

[Nebor]

Originally posted by: alkemyst
hmm only criteria to being a Christian is believeing in Christ.

Also isn't there something about not judging others or something something in that bible booklet?

fight on Christian Soldier!

I've got soul... but I'm not a soldier.

 

[QuitBanningMe]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: ariafrost
Yes we can all get along, I have some friends that are Mormon actually. I'm just clarifying that our religious beliefs are FAR too different to be considered similar. Another issue is when I say "Church of Christ" some people say, what are you Mormon? So I'm just educating

You're not educating, you're spreading lies and intolerence. You're treating others as you yourself would most likely not wish to be treated. You're acting a hypocrite and making all Christianity look bad.

I agree.

 

[0roo0roo]

nothing more hilarious then one religion using "logic" againts another lol

jews = older = more real right? why would god revise?
christians = revision 1.1
islam = jesus wasnt son of god wtf? and death to version 1.0

 

[randalee]

So, Original Poster, did you wake up this morning and, having nothing else to do, come up with, "What kind of trolling can I start this morning on Off-Topic?"

I'm a Mormon. I am a Christian. I can only be saved by Jesus Christ. I don't believe I can "work my way into heaven". Sorry, pal, it doesn't work that way. I do believe in being honest, and doing good works. Is there something wrong with being a good person? That's all the LDS church is about. Being the best person you can be, and finding true happiness in that.

Ok, let's move on now.

Randy Clements
Salt Lake City, UT (Yes, where the Mormon Pioneers settled long ago...)

 

[AdamMT1618]

Originally posted by: randalee
So, Original Poster, did you wake up this morning and, having nothing else to do, come up with, "What kind of trolling can I start this morning on Off-Topic?"

I'm a Mormon. I am a Christian. I can only be saved by Jesus Christ. I don't believe I can "work my way into heaven". Sorry, pal, it doesn't work that way. I do believe in being honest, and doing good works. Is there something wrong with being a good person? That's all the LDS church is about. Being the best person you can be, and finding true happiness in that.

Ok, let's move on now.

Randy Clements
Salt Lake City, UT (Yes, where the Mormon Pioneers settled long ago...)

So were there no Christians until 1829?

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: AdamMT1618

Originally posted by: randalee
So, Original Poster, did you wake up this morning and, having nothing else to do, come up with, "What kind of trolling can I start this morning on Off-Topic?"

I'm a Mormon. I am a Christian. I can only be saved by Jesus Christ. I don't believe I can "work my way into heaven". Sorry, pal, it doesn't work that way. I do believe in being honest, and doing good works. Is there something wrong with being a good person? That's all the LDS church is about. Being the best person you can be, and finding true happiness in that.

Ok, let's move on now.

Randy Clements
Salt Lake City, UT (Yes, where the Mormon Pioneers settled long ago...)

So were there no Christians until 1829?

His post had nothing in it that said Mormons were the only or first Christians.

 

[AdamMT1618]

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: AdamMT1618

Originally posted by: randalee
So, Original Poster, did you wake up this morning and, having nothing else to do, come up with, "What kind of trolling can I start this morning on Off-Topic?"

I'm a Mormon. I am a Christian. I can only be saved by Jesus Christ. I don't believe I can "work my way into heaven". Sorry, pal, it doesn't work that way. I do believe in being honest, and doing good works. Is there something wrong with being a good person? That's all the LDS church is about. Being the best person you can be, and finding true happiness in that.

Ok, let's move on now.

Randy Clements
Salt Lake City, UT (Yes, where the Mormon Pioneers settled long ago...)

So were there no Christians until 1829?

His post had nothing in it that said Mormons were the only or first Christians.

But Christians beleive in the Trinity and Mormons do not, so to a Mormon, there can not be another type of Christian.

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: AdamMT1618

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: AdamMT1618

Originally posted by: randalee
So, Original Poster, did you wake up this morning and, having nothing else to do, come up with, "What kind of trolling can I start this morning on Off-Topic?"

I'm a Mormon. I am a Christian. I can only be saved by Jesus Christ. I don't believe I can "work my way into heaven". Sorry, pal, it doesn't work that way. I do believe in being honest, and doing good works. Is there something wrong with being a good person? That's all the LDS church is about. Being the best person you can be, and finding true happiness in that.

Ok, let's move on now.

Randy Clements
Salt Lake City, UT (Yes, where the Mormon Pioneers settled long ago...)

So were there no Christians until 1829?

His post had nothing in it that said Mormons were the only or first Christians.

But Christians beleive in the Trinity and Mormons do not, so to a Mormon, there can not be another type of Christian.

That's your problem. You think everything is cut and dry, yet you refuse to apply the same line of reasoning to your own religion. If you did, you'd have the belief that current-day Catholicism, which you're a part of, violates quite a few of Jesus' and Christianities' original teachings.

But of course you wouldn't do that, because it would invalidate the religion you so strongly believe in. Pick which way you want to do things. You can either dot your i's and cross your t's, or you can be much more lenient and accepting.

 

[cKGunslinger]

Originally posted by: JoeKing

*dirka* *dirka* *dirka* *dirka* *dirka*

Now do you rememmber the signal?

*waves arms around all puppetly-like*

 

[AdamMT1618]

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: AdamMT1618

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: AdamMT1618

Originally posted by: randalee
So, Original Poster, did you wake up this morning and, having nothing else to do, come up with, "What kind of trolling can I start this morning on Off-Topic?"

I'm a Mormon. I am a Christian. I can only be saved by Jesus Christ. I don't believe I can "work my way into heaven". Sorry, pal, it doesn't work that way. I do believe in being honest, and doing good works. Is there something wrong with being a good person? That's all the LDS church is about. Being the best person you can be, and finding true happiness in that.

Ok, let's move on now.

Randy Clements
Salt Lake City, UT (Yes, where the Mormon Pioneers settled long ago...)

So were there no Christians until 1829?

His post had nothing in it that said Mormons were the only or first Christians.

But Christians beleive in the Trinity and Mormons do not, so to a Mormon, there can not be another type of Christian.

That's your problem. You think everything is cut and dry, yet you refuse to apply the same line of reasoning to your own religion. If you did, you'd have the belief that current-day Catholicism, which you're a part of, violates quite a few of Jesus' and Christianities' original teachings.

But of course you wouldn't do that, because it would invalidate the religion you so strongly believe in. Pick which way you want to do things. You can either dot your i's and cross your t's, or you can be much more lenient and accepting.

The Trinity is a held beleif by Catholics and Protestants, so what are you talking about?