Why not make it impossible to operate a car while intoxicated?

[IceBergSLiM]

Nothing in common found in your comparison.

People aren't addicted to emissions or safety inspections.

People are alcoholics and drive drunk. There is no method to make these devices unhackable. You could make it difficult with real time updating but that opens a whole different can of worms.

Try again????

You don't have to be an alcoholic to drive drunk.

There is no method to make anything unhackable, so why bother with any safety feature right?

 

[IceBergSLiM]

It's a terrible idea for one main reason. We're not all drunk driving retards like you. Maybe next time you drive drunk, you'll wrap yourself around a tree at high speeds so you don't have to bother us with your idiocy

You don't have to be a drunk driving retard to be killed or have your life destroyed by one.

 

[paperfist]

Yeah it would be overstepping, but it could be mandatory for any car registered to someone with a DUI charge.

I know I'm gonna install one on my own cars once my kids get to driving age

Will it have a condom dispenser in the back seat too and have an automatic shut off after midnight?

 

[IceBergSLiM]

Fuck you. Just because you can't fucking not drink and drive doesn't mean that everyone who is a responsible driver should have a fucking blow thing installed in their cars. There is no need for me to have it and I don't want one in my car. I don't drink and drive.

What would be better is to permanently revoke the license of those people who do drink and drive, and institute mandatory jail time as well.

pretty sure everyone ignores what comes after this.

 

[Numenorean]

You don't have to be an alcoholic to drive drunk.

There is no method to make anything unhackable, so why bother with any safety feature right?

What is with you calling this a safety feature? How is an annoying piece of shit that I have to blow into to drive my car a safety feature? I don't drink and drive, so it would serve no purpose to be in my car, other than to be an annoying piece of shit.

Also, who is going to pay for these? Round up all the alcoholics and bill them?

 

[bvalpati]

It's a terrible idea for one main reason. We're not all drunk driving retards like you. Maybe next time you drive drunk, you'll wrap yourself around a tree at high speeds so you don't have to bother us with your idiocy

Maybe next time he'll wrap his car around you, or your child/parent/best friend etc.

I just don't understand the outrage at such a minor imposition when it will save so many lives. I'm sure your viewpoint on this would be completely different if you had lost a loved one to a drunk driver.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

Move to some commie European country.

lol...car safety features are now part of the Communist agenda....Thats rich. :biggrin::biggrin:

 

[Numenorean]

Maybe next time he'll wrap his car around you, or your child/parent/best friend etc.

I just don't understand the outrage at such a minor imposition when it will save so many lives. I'm sure your viewpoint on this would be completely different if you had lost a loved one to a drunk driver.

Here's what will work better:

1 DUI = License suspended for 1 year, 1 month prison or community service, $10,000 fine.

2nd DUI = Permanently revoked license with no chance to have it restored, you can never drive again. 1 year in jail. $25,000 fine.

3rd DUI = Executed

Any DUI where you cause the death of someone else = executed

People will think much harder about doing stupid shit when the punishment is more appropriate for the crime.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

What is with you calling this a safety feature? How is an annoying piece of shit that I have to blow into to drive my car a safety feature? I don't drink and drive, so it would serve no purpose to be in my car, other than to be an annoying piece of shit.

Also, who is going to pay for these? Round up all the alcoholics and bill them?

It would save thousands of lives, therefore its a safety feature. Similar to airbags and seatbelts and gas tanks that aren't right up behind the front bumper.. It is obviously a safety feature. And who pays for any mandatory safety feature?

 

[IceBergSLiM]

Here's what will work better:

1 DUI = License suspended for 1 year, 1 month prison or community service, $10,000 fine.

2nd DUI = Permanently revoked license with no chance to have it restored, you can never drive again. 1 year in jail. $25,000 fine.

3rd DUI = Executed

Any DUI where you cause the death of someone else = executed

People will think much harder about doing stupid shit when the punishment is more appropriate for the crime.

Punitive legislation has never prevented anything because its reactive. try again.

In your example 3 cars filled with families could have been mangled in accidents before the DUI guy is executed. Great system.

 

[Numenorean]

It would save thousands of lives, therefore its a safety feature. Similar to airbags and seatbelts and gas tanks that aren't right up behind the front bumper.. It is obviously a safety feature. And who pays for any mandatory safety feature?

But it would be completely pointless to put in any of my vehicles and would serve no purpose other than to waste money. I certainly don't want to pay for that shit.

Airbags and seat belts are safety features which are actually useful and I don't mind the expense.

 

[TheNinja]

How would this work? Would you have to bring all your old vehicles in to get in installed? Would it be put into effect on a specific date and all cars after that date have to have it but older cars are grandfathered in? Would people stock pile old cars to avoid this hassle? How sanitary is it for a shared vehicle?

Instead of designated drives, would there be designated blowers hanging around the bars? I could make a bunch of money charging people $5 to blow their cars.

 

[highland145]

move to Singapore then.

You're whining about incarceration rates because "punitive legislation doesn't work." You're right. It doesn't work the way it's been done here. I'm giving you an example of how it should be done. Bleeding heart liberals, FTL.

Move to some commie European country.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

But it would be completely pointless to put in any of my vehicles and would serve no purpose other than to waste money. I certainly don't want to pay for that shit.

Airbags and seat belts are safety features which are actually useful and I don't mind the expense.

They aren't useful to me as I don't get into accidents.

 

[actuarial]

Fuck you. Just because you can't fucking not drink and drive doesn't mean that everyone who is a responsible driver should have a fucking blow thing installed in their cars. There is no need for me to have it and I don't want one in my car. I don't drink and drive.

What would be better is to permanently revoke the license of those people who do drink and drive, and institute mandatory jail time as well.

I'm actually on the fence about whether mandating them is appropriate from a right's perspective, but I also don't see how it would negatively impact my life to have to blow when starting my car.

 

[Numenorean]

Punitive legislation has never prevented anything because its reactive. try again.

In your example 3 cars filled with families could have been mangled in accidents before the DUI guy is executed. Great system.

I said that at any point if your DUI causes the death of someone else then you would be executed, regardless if it's the first or not.

We could change that to any point if you cause the injury of another then you are executed.

Personally I'd say 1 DUI, whether you injure anyone else or not and you should be executed, but I doubt anyone else in this country would agree.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

You're whining about incarceration rates because "punitive legislation doesn't work." You're right. It doesn't work the way it's been done here. I'm giving you an example of how it should be done. Bleeding heart liberals, FTL.

I guess our founding fathers were bleeding heart liberal Commies.

 

[SonnyDaze]

Here's what will work better:

1 DUI = License suspended for 1 year, 1 month prison or community service, $10,000 fine.

2nd DUI = Permanently revoked license with no chance to have it restored, you can never drive again. 1 year in jail. $25,000 fine.

3rd DUI = Executed

Any DUI where you cause the death of someone else = executed

People will think much harder about doing stupid shit when the punishment is more appropriate for the crime.

I understand your concept and agree with swift and harsh punishment. But jails and prisons are already over crowded. Not to mention that with our awesome justice system anyone sentenced to death would get an automatic appeal.....which could drag on for 10 years or so.

 

[gaidensensei]

I've had my blow and go installed for a few days now and I don't think it would be bad for all cars to have them. It takes an extra ten seconds before you take off but wouldn't that be worth saving thousands of lives a year? It would also do away with not knowing your bac like things are now.

It would get my vote for sure

It would make more sense to just install them in bars and places for drinking. Overall less tax money involved, and much more effective for the people who give a crap about blowing before driving but do not own such a device.

The genuinely concerned people will use it and avoid a risky night.
Those who don't will still continue to DUI even with a blower installed.

 

[Numenorean]

They aren't useful to me as I don't get into accidents.

You can't predict whether or not you will be in an accident. Tires can blow out, other cars can hit you, all sorts of things.

But I can say with 100% certainty that I will never drink and drive.

 

[highland145]

I guess our founding fathers were bleeding heart liberal Commies.

troll, troll your boat.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

I said that at any point if your DUI causes the death of someone else then you would be executed, regardless if it's the first or not.

We could change that to any point if you cause the injury of another then you are executed.

Personally I'd say 1 DUI, whether you injure anyone else or not and you should be executed, but I doubt anyone else in this country would agree.

Most people wouldn't agree because more often than not its a victim-less crime.

It would be more sensible to prosecute under existing laws...if you drink and drive and hurt someone you are prosecuted under assault w/ deadly weapon charges. If you kill someone manslaughter. If nobody gets hurt you get whatever traffic violation you were stopped for and and your car towed.

 

[bvalpati]

Here's what will work better:

1 DUI = License suspended for 1 year, 1 month prison or community service, $10,000 fine.

2nd DUI = Permanently revoked license with no chance to have it restored, you can never drive again. 1 year in jail. $25,000 fine.

3rd DUI = Executed

Any DUI where you cause the death of someone else = executed

People will think much harder about doing stupid shit when the punishment is more appropriate for the crime.

Do you really think a person who is completely fucked up is even going to be able to consider the consequences of their actions? A guy who blows a .4 after driving through a crowd of people on a corner in most cases wouldn't even be able to understand where he is let alone that what he had just done will cost him his life. Making it impossible for a drunk person to operate a vehicle solves that problem, none of your suggestions can do that.

Show me any shred of evidence that proves capital punishment in any way reduces homicide and you might have a sliver of an argument but since I already know you can't I'm going to assume you don't have any idea what you're talking about regarding the deterrent effect of laws.

 

[actuarial]

But it would be completely pointless to put in any of my vehicles and would serve no purpose other than to waste money. I certainly don't want to pay for that shit.

Airbags and seat belts are safety features which are actually useful and I don't mind the expense.

You can receive benefit from a system where everyone participates, even if you are not the one causing the problem. You'll still have a reduced chance of being smoked by a drunk driver, something you have very little control over.

Having me go through a metal detector is completely pointless, because I never carry a gun.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

You can't predict whether or not you will be in an accident. Tires can blow out, other cars can hit you, all sorts of things.

But I can say with 100% certainty that I will never drink and drive.

ding ding ding. I think you might get it now. You can't predict when a drunk driver will nail you, why wouldn't you want the peace of mind that its unlikely to happen due to safety features.