Why not Universal Automobile Insurance?

[Modelworks]

It is coming along with Universal Employment Service. Just give it time.

 

[Fingolfin269]

Originally posted by: CPA

Originally posted by: senseamp
I think we are all pissed that they are not covering everyone, and no one is planning to stop until they do.
Just emailed DNC telling them to not bother asking for my money, time or vote if they don't deliver on this.

I'm not pissed.

I'm not pissed either.

 

[MovingTarget]

Originally posted by: Modelworks
It is coming along with Universal Employment Service. Just give it time.

Universal Employment Service? Is that some sort of CCC program on steroids? It would definitely get rid of the "those without a job are just plain lazy etc etc" arguments if people were actually guaranteed some sort of work.

*Disclaimer: I don't necessarily support this, but it is an interesting concept.

 

[Budmantom]

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269

Originally posted by: CPA

Originally posted by: senseamp
I think we are all pissed that they are not covering everyone, and no one is planning to stop until they do.
Just emailed DNC telling them to not bother asking for my money, time or vote if they don't deliver on this.

I'm not pissed.

I'm not pissed either.

Liberals are pissed, it's just part of their DNA, you can't be a liberal w/o being pissed.

 

[Budmantom]

Originally posted by: CPA

Originally posted by: Andrew1990

Originally posted by: senseamp
This is what opposition to UHC has come down to, a joke.
There is universal automobile insurance requirement in CA. You cannot drive without insurance.

I am actually not opposing UHC in this topic. I am actually for UAI.

Hey, let's add in universal life insurance, universal disability insurance, broader universal unemployment insurance, universal dismemberment insurance, universal spousal life, universal child life, universal pet insurance, universal.......

Extended warranty on the plasma I just bought?

 

[senseamp]

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269

Originally posted by: CPA

Originally posted by: senseamp
I think we are all pissed that they are not covering everyone, and no one is planning to stop until they do.
Just emailed DNC telling them to not bother asking for my money, time or vote if they don't deliver on this.

I'm not pissed.

I'm not pissed either.

I mean we all who voted to elect the present government of this country.
I guess it is interesting what people whose party has no power think, but it's more academic.

 

[SunSamurai]

Seeing as how we cant even get in a proper UHC; no.

/thread

 

[Budmantom]

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269

Originally posted by: CPA

Originally posted by: senseamp
I think we are all pissed that they are not covering everyone, and no one is planning to stop until they do.
Just emailed DNC telling them to not bother asking for my money, time or vote if they don't deliver on this.

I'm not pissed.

I'm not pissed either.

I mean we all who voted to elect the present government of this country.
I guess it is interesting what people whose party has no power think, but it's more academic.

It's who you are

 

[Carmen813]

As a cancer survivor, if the Conservatives can find a way for me to pay the same for medical insurance as I do for car insurance ($1200 a year), than I will immediately switch parties and vote with you for the rest of eternity.

Also, for those using cancer as an example, not every who gets cancer lived an unhealthy life style. I can't imagine a greater misconception. It can strike anyone, anytime.

 

[nobodyknows]

Originally posted by: inspire

Originally posted by: nobodyknows

Originally posted by: inspire

Originally posted by: spittledip
You know, I don't give a damn if they make UHC or not.. all I want is for the crappy medical system to be affordable for everyone one way or the other. This issue is not about the govt running health care- it is about finding a way to make health care affordable for everyone in the US. Unfortunately, I think that this might be an impossibility b/c the doctors and insurance companies and pharms are in control of the system, and a standard for rates have been set by these criminals. Wrestling this out of their hands is a near impossibility and I don't foresee it ending well.

Criminals, eh? Let's just throw all the doctors, insurance companies, and pharma companies in jail and see how healthcare improves.

I hate to fan the flames here, but the constant drive to demonize 'Big X' is a major pet peeve of mine. On what will likely be an ancillary note - I pretty much agree with the rest of what you said. Healthcare shouldn't be a right or a handout, but it should be affordable.

Saying that health care "should be " affordable doesn't make it so.

We are all part of this civilization that makes progress possible, aren't we?? Shouldn't we all have access to the same drugs and life saving procedures?

And, by the same token, shouldn't we all have to pay for them? The issue isn't a simple one. Doctors and researchers work very hard to get through medical school and get a drug approved. Drugs eventually become generic, and procedures eventually become routine. But, honestly without an in depth, detailed discussion, this kind of topic isn't going to make any progress.

You act as doctors and researchers are the only people who know what hard work is. They earn more then the average workers already. Are you suggesting we kill off the sick and infirmed so we can pay them even more money? If not please explain your solution.

The average workers have "paid" and are "paying" their dues by being working members of society for most of their lives. The same society that shits on them when they get sick and treats them as less then human because they couldn't afford insurance. They have every right to the same quality of health care as anyone else.

When someone is too crippled, or old, or weak to work shall we just ignore them, even though they were hard working members of society when they were able to.

 

[nobodyknows]

Originally posted by: CPA

Originally posted by: Andrew1990

Originally posted by: senseamp
This is what opposition to UHC has come down to, a joke.
There is universal automobile insurance requirement in CA. You cannot drive without insurance.

I am actually not opposing UHC in this topic. I am actually for UAI.

Hey, let's add in universal life insurance, universal disability insurance, broader universal unemployment insurance, universal dismemberment insurance, universal spousal life, universal child life, universal pet insurance, universal.......

and as I sated earlier, universal pay so everyone working stiff can afford all those things.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: Carmen813
As a cancer survivor, if the Conservatives can find a way for me to pay the same for medical insurance as I do for car insurance ($1200 a year), than I will immediately switch parties and vote with you for the rest of eternity.

Also, for those using cancer as an example, not every who gets cancer lived an unhealthy life style. I can't imagine a greater misconception. It can strike anyone, anytime.

Americans have deep feelings of inferiority. They are posessed by the notion that evil is the reward for sin and gleefully dance in the meadows if they themselves aren't aflicted. It helps to offset how worthless we feel. Only by putting others down can we great people be anything. Sorry that you suffer our stupidity, but there's no chance I'm going to care about your problems over giving myself a much needed ego boost. You just have to have gotten cancer because you are more worthless than me. My ego can't gloat if everything is purely by chance.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: Carmen813
As a cancer survivor, if the Conservatives can find a way for me to pay the same for medical insurance as I do for car insurance ($1200 a year), than I will immediately switch parties and vote with you for the rest of eternity.

Also, for those using cancer as an example, not every who gets cancer lived an unhealthy life style. I can't imagine a greater misconception. It can strike anyone, anytime.

Americans have deep feelings of inferiority. They are posessed by the notion that evil is the reward for sin and gleefully dance in the meadows if they themselves aren't aflicted. It helps to offset how worthless we feel. Only by putting others down can we great people be anything. Sorry that you suffer our stupidity, but there's no chance I'm going to care about your problems over giving myself a much needed ego boost. You just have to have gotten cancer because you are more worthless than me. My ego can't gloat if everything is purely by chance.

Edit: For those of you for whom this is unclear, I'm mostly intending this as a joke based on Moonbeam's style of writing...but my basic point stands.

I'd say it's simpler than that. Lacking any real accomplishments, many people wish to be handed moral justification for feeling good about things that the unbiased observer would NOT consider accomplishments. Much of America knows that they did not in any way, shape or form "earn" their position on the American socio-econoic ladder, so they respond with incredible hostility to any suggestion that they don't deserve credit for where they ended up. If you were born to middle class parents and remain in the middle class, you are just as much of a "failure" as the folks born into poverty who can't rise above it...and you can't STAND that.

I'm not just bullshitting everyone, I'm speaking from experience. I was a high school conservative, perhaps the most useless political ideology in the universe, yet appropriately significant in understanding the conservative movement as a whole. Lacking even the drive to make the most of my potential, I nevertheless was able to summon the intellectual self-deception to assume that my position in life MUST be because of my innate ability instead of a chance of birth...because that's a really easy ego boost without the actual work of doing something to be proud of. Long story short, I considered myself a "conservative" simply because it gave me an intellectual excuse for feeling superior about something that was none of my doing.

Moonbeamish language aside, the bottom line is that Moonbeam is right. UHC opposition is almost entirely based on the American desire to feel "good" about having something others don't, despite the fact that the individual in question did fuck-all to earn the thing in question. A lot of people would rather delude themselves into thinking their station in life is entirely of their own making, instead of admitting that they are fortunate and it's their moral obligation to help those with less fortune than themselves.

 

[Budmantom]

Originally posted by: Carmen813
As a cancer survivor, if the Conservatives can find a way for me to pay the same for medical insurance as I do for car insurance ($1200 a year), than I will immediately switch parties and vote with you for the rest of eternity.

Also, for those using cancer as an example, not every who gets cancer lived an unhealthy life style. I can't imagine a greater misconception. It can strike anyone, anytime.

No one is promising $1200 (a year) health insurance.

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer
no hospital can refuse you for emergency care even if you have no insurance/can't afford it. It's the law.

nstaafl. someone pays for that, might as well do it directly

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: Hacp

Originally posted by: SammyJr

Originally posted by: CPA

Originally posted by: Andrew1990

Originally posted by: senseamp
This is what opposition to UHC has come down to, a joke.
There is universal automobile insurance requirement in CA. You cannot drive without insurance.

I am actually not opposing UHC in this topic. I am actually for UAI.

Hey, let's add in universal life insurance, universal disability insurance, broader universal unemployment insurance, universal dismemberment insurance, universal spousal life, universal child life, universal pet insurance, universal.......

We have most of those - SS disability, SS survivor, SS disability, etc..

And SS is going to give out more than it takes in by 2016.

SS has what, 7 trillion saved up?

 

[SammyJr]

Originally posted by: Rainsford
I'm not just bullshitting everyone, I'm speaking from experience. I was a high school conservative, perhaps the most useless political ideology in the universe, yet appropriately significant in understanding the conservative movement as a whole. Lacking even the drive to make the most of my potential, I nevertheless was able to summon the intellectual self-deception to assume that my position in life MUST be because of my innate ability instead of a chance of birth...because that's a really easy ego boost without the actual work of doing something to be proud of. Long story short, I considered myself a "conservative" simply because it gave me an intellectual excuse for feeling superior about something that was none of my doing.

Moonbeamish language aside, the bottom line is that Moonbeam is right. UHC opposition is almost entirely based on the American desire to feel "good" about having something others don't, despite the fact that the individual in question did fuck-all to earn the thing in question. A lot of people would rather delude themselves into thinking their station in life is entirely of their own making, instead of admitting that they are fortunate and it's their moral obligation to help those with less fortune than themselves.

This.

As soon as I came to grips with the fact that I was more a product of my relatively privileged upbringing than any effort on my part, I became a liberal.

 

[SammyJr]

Originally posted by: Hacp

Originally posted by: SammyJr

Originally posted by: CPA

Originally posted by: Andrew1990

Originally posted by: senseamp
This is what opposition to UHC has come down to, a joke.
There is universal automobile insurance requirement in CA. You cannot drive without insurance.

I am actually not opposing UHC in this topic. I am actually for UAI.

Hey, let's add in universal life insurance, universal disability insurance, broader universal unemployment insurance, universal dismemberment insurance, universal spousal life, universal child life, universal pet insurance, universal.......

We have most of those - SS disability, SS survivor, SS disability, etc..

And SS is going to give out more than it takes in by 2016.

Easy to fix. Just remove the income cap and apply SS taxes to capital gains. If the SS tax cap were removed and taxes applied to capital gains, we could probably cut the SS tax rate in half and still come out ahead.

 

[SammyJr]

Originally posted by: Modelworks
It is coming along with Universal Employment Service. Just give it time.

That's actually a great idea. Anyone should be able to get a job picking up garbage on the freeway, doing yardwork at public places, or cleaning public toilets if they want it.

 

[Jeff7]

Originally posted by: Andrew1990

Originally posted by: MovingTarget
Don't want to pay for car insurance? Don't drive.
Don't want to pay for medical insurance? Don't live.

You can live without medical insurance. Humans have been doing it for thousands of years. In a sense you could say the same about Car Insurance. You dont drive, you dont get a good job and starve to death.


Both auto and health insurance are commodities that I think everyone would like. Why not make both affordable?

Yeah, and humans lived for thousands of years without modern medicine. They also enjoyed such wonderful things as dying during childbirth, dying of infections brought on by minor injuries, and dying in attacks by large predators. Do you miss those good old days?

Health of a person is more important than that of a car, thus health insurance is a higher priority.

 

[coloumb]

Originally posted by: Andrew1990

Originally posted by: MovingTarget
Don't want to pay for car insurance? Don't drive.
Don't want to pay for medical insurance? Don't live.

You can live without medical insurance. Humans have been doing it for thousands of years. In a sense you could say the same about Car Insurance. You dont drive, you dont get a good job and starve to death.


Both auto and health insurance are commodities that I think everyone would like. Why not make both affordable?

True - but people would get the care they need from a doctor in the past without having to sign forms, prepay ludicrous co-pays, etc. I can't believe that countries a hell of a lot poorer than the US have FREE FUCKING HEALTH CARE - no stipulations on pre-existing conditions.

Auto Insurance is a completely different can of worms - a car is a luxury not a necessity. Humans have been getting around for thousands of years without cars - they walked, rode bikes, rode horses, etc.

 

[SunSamurai]

Originally posted by: coloumb

Originally posted by: Andrew1990

Originally posted by: MovingTarget
Don't want to pay for car insurance? Don't drive.
Don't want to pay for medical insurance? Don't live.

You can live without medical insurance. Humans have been doing it for thousands of years. In a sense you could say the same about Car Insurance. You dont drive, you dont get a good job and starve to death.


Both auto and health insurance are commodities that I think everyone would like. Why not make both affordable?

True - but people would get the care they need from a doctor in the past without having to sign forms, prepay ludicrous co-pays, etc. I can't believe that countries a hell of a lot poorer than the US have FREE FUCKING HEALTH CARE - no stipulations on pre-existing conditions.

Auto Insurance is a completely different can of worms - a car is a luxury not a necessity. Humans have been getting around for thousands of years without cars - they walked, rode bikes, rode horses, etc.

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Nothing is free.

 

[paperfist]

Originally posted by: senseamp
This is what opposition to UHC has come down to, a joke.
There is universal automobile insurance requirement in CA. You cannot drive without insurance.

I assume it's not the same in NY? You are 'suppose' to have car insurance here in NY when you drive, but chances are the dude that just hit you and ran didn't carry any and you're screwed.

 

[paperfist]

Originally posted by: MovingTarget
Don't want to pay for car insurance? Don't drive.
Don't want to pay for medical insurance? Don't live.


When it comes to medical insurance, should worst come to worst, you can't just trade in your current 'model' of yourself for a new one. Cancer isn't like needing a new transmission. Apples and oranges.

I don't mind paying for car insurance, but lets face it do you know of another legalized scam system such as this?

I drive 20 years without an accident and I have nothing to show for all that money that went out the window. I drive another year and have an accident and my rates go up even after 20 years of clean driving. I buy a second car and while I can only drive one at a time the 2nd car costs as much to insurance as the first one.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: senseamp
This is what opposition to UHC has come down to, a joke.
There is universal automobile insurance requirement in CA. You cannot drive without insurance.

Yes but UHC is typcially government funded, requiring auto insurance and having the govt pay for is two different things.

Yep, I want a gov't option for Car, home, etc INSURANCE! Surely it'd help control costs.... right?