why psychiatry is authoritarian bs

[Anarchist420]

mental illnesses are not like, say, myocardial infarctions... the former cannot kill you.

mental illnesses are created by men (with very questionable motives) as no physical test can say with 100% certainty what mental illness you have.

mental illnesses cannot really limit you. what limits you most/advances you most is the overall physical characteristics of your brain.

if a mental illness is likely to cause to someone to commit suicide, then the psychiatric industrial state should not try to stop one from committing suicide.

the doctor at the psych ward didnt even observe me directly (or at least not for more than 5 minutes) before he diagnosed me. and then some really cool guy got a shot in the ass when he didnt even try to hurt anyone... he was just going on manically about lincoln and bi polar disorder which and it was really kind of funny. he told me that the psychiatric ward was just trying to make money off of me and i agree with him.

mental illnesses enrich psychiatrists and many pharmaceutical companies at the expense of patients who want prescriptions and the tax payer.

anti-psychotics (regardless of the dose) dont really help me, they just stop me from pissing other people off. they put me to sleep on too high of a dose and if i am too low of a dose i dont really know the difference. if someone commits aggression against someone, then we need decentralized county-level justice where aggressors are punished proportionally while victims are restituted proportionately.

psychology and biology are perfectly useful and they often follow ethical standards, but psychiatry has no ethical standards in favor of the patient.

do i think i need medication if i wanted to think straight at all? of course. does that mean that it is because i was diagnosed with a mental illness? hell no.

let me know if you want to argue with me on any of this.

 

[Fritzo]

Yes.

 

[rudeguy]

No.

 

[Capt Caveman]

Too bad the psych ward doesn't take away your internet access. And please take more anti-psychotics.

 

[lxskllr]

I hold psychological practice in lower esteem than other sciences. I question the determination of what normal is, and the practice is primitive, taking small bits of data, and extrapolating from them to determine treatment. It'll solidify with time, but I don't think much of it now. It can also be dangerous, by allowing people to isolate and remove "undesirable" traits that lead to advances for everyone. How many discoveries wouldn't have happened if autistic people could be "fixed"?

 

[Jaepheth]

 

[SlitheryDee]

NOW I KNOW WHO YOU ARE!
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[Scotteq]

Son, Lyndon Johnson has always been made of clothespins, but Eisenhower was a cantaloupe and only now is he Episcopalian. Nothing short of funnels and sausages for as long as you both shall live.

 

[surfsatwerk]

Drink the kool aid.

 

[W.C. Nimoy]

anti-psychotics (regardless of the dose) dont really help me, they just stop me from pissing other people off.

lol!

Indirectly, that probably helps you in life more than you realize.

 

[jemcam]

A lot of stuff makes sense now. Thank you for the post and keep seeing your doctor.

 

[artvscommerce]

i'm confused, you said the medication doesn't help you, other than keeping you from pissing other people off. But then you said it allows you to think straight. If it allows you to think straight isn't it helping you?

 

[IronWing]

OP, you are doing it wrong. You're a smart guy with excellent retention but you need to change your reading habits. Obsessing about Lincoln and archano-capitalism gets you a shot in the butt. Read about eastern erotic mysticism, native american spiritualism, Andrew Weil books on hippy health, and real estate flipping. The next time you're off your meds instead of landing in the psych ward, you'll get five books on tape and $50,000 a pop speaking engagements.

 

[lupi]

Free ipod?

 

[Meghan54]

Damn, do you have to make a thread every week about how much you hate psychiatry? What'd they do, change your meds again?

 

[Kaido]

I think one flew over the cuckoo's nest...

Edit: I just wanted to say that because I've been waiting since high school to use that line :biggrin:

 

[Anarchist420]

not trying to be rude or anything, but it's really pathetic so many support psychiatry.

i'm confused, you said the medication doesn't help you, other than keeping you from pissing other people off. But then you said it allows you to think straight. If it allows you to think straight isn't it helping you?

well, if theyre not putting me to sleep they may help me think a little bit better. but if i cant think straight off of them and if i have to take them to know the difference, then im beyond help.

also, the meds arent going to do me any good in the long run or at least they wouldnt if people were free.

 

[Soundmanred]

 

[z1ggy]

I read these threads for fun but it's getting annoying now. I know I should just not read them so I don't get pissed off.. but I can't help myself. Certain people should just not have access to the internet for the sake of the rest of us non-crazy folk.

 

[Kaido]

I read these threads for fun but it's getting annoying now. I know I should just not read them so I don't get pissed off.. but I can't help myself. Certain people should just not have access to the internet for the sake of the rest of us non-crazy folk.

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2348384

 

[Juddog]

mental illnesses are not like, say, myocardial infarctions... the former cannot kill you.

There are gunmen who shoot up theaters, or throw themselves off of a bridge; mental illness can and does kill plenty of people.

mental illnesses are created by men (with very questionable motives) as no physical test can say with 100% certainty what mental illness you have.

Mental illnesses are not created by men; they are ways to figure out what is wrong with your brain. There aren't physical tests which tell 100% currently, but there may be tests like that in the future, we just don't have the technology yet.

mental illnesses cannot really limit you. what limits you most/advances you most is the overall physical characteristics of your brain.

They are one and the same; if your brain is messed up, then it can limit you.

if a mental illness is likely to cause to someone to commit suicide, then the psychiatric industrial state should not try to stop one from committing suicide.

That's debatable; I agree that suicide should be a legal option for anybody that wants it, as long as there is a waiting period, a waiver, and an area to write down your last will.

the doctor at the psych ward didnt even observe me directly (or at least not for more than 5 minutes) before he diagnosed me. and then some really cool guy got a shot in the ass when he didnt even try to hurt anyone... he was just going on manically about lincoln and bi polar disorder which and it was really kind of funny. he told me that the psychiatric ward was just trying to make money off of me and i agree with him.

Businesses have to make money; I thought you were pro-business? There isn't enough time to treat every patient to the degree that they might need, but that's just a limit in manpower / resources.

mental illnesses enrich psychiatrists and many pharmaceutical companies at the expense of patients who want prescriptions and the tax payer.

Versus no treatment at all? If the business has no motivation, then relying upon people for charity is going to not get as far as a for-profit business.

anti-psychotics (regardless of the dose) dont really help me, they just stop me from pissing other people off. they put me to sleep on too high of a dose and if i am too low of a dose i dont really know the difference. if someone commits aggression against someone, then we need decentralized county-level justice where aggressors are punished proportionally while victims are restituted proportionately.

In other words they help you.

psychology and biology are perfectly useful and they often follow ethical standards, but psychiatry has no ethical standards in favor of the patient.

There actually are standards, if you'd bother to read them.

do i think i need medication if i wanted to think straight at all? of course. does that mean that it is because i was diagnosed with a mental illness? hell no.

let me know if you want to argue with me on any of this.

See above.

 

[Kaido]

not trying to be rude or anything, but it's really pathetic so many support psychiatry.

So what do you propose in place of psychiatry to deal with the issues the crop up from mental illnesses? You mentioned proportional punishment against aggressors, but what about treatment?

 

[chiza]

I'll play along.

mental illnesses are created by men (with very questionable motives) as no physical test can say with 100% certainty what mental illness you have.

You're right, in a sense. A lot of things are created by humans, but it doesn't make them not real. Currently, there's no blood test or scan we can do to detect mental illnesses. That doesn't mean there will never be. Despite medical research, there's still a lot we don't know about the brain. I'm sure you've heard of the DSM III/IV, which is the go to diagnosing manual for psychiatric disorders. While it's not perfect, it always undergoes review and diagnoses change. By the way, nothing is ever 100% certain, especially in medicine.

mental illnesses cannot really limit you. what limits you most/advances you most is the overall physical characteristics of your brain.

Sure.

if a mental illness is likely to cause to someone to commit suicide, then the psychiatric industrial state should not try to stop one from committing suicide.

I suppose that's debatable. The reason psychiatrists/psychologists try to prevent suicides is that most individuals who want to commit suicide don't have insight. They don't know they have a problem and can not recognize the consequences of his/her actions.

the doctor at the psych ward didnt even observe me directly (or at least not for more than 5 minutes) before he diagnosed me. and then some really cool guy got a shot in the ass when he didnt even try to hurt anyone... he was just going on manically about lincoln and bi polar disorder which and it was really kind of funny. he told me that the psychiatric ward was just trying to make money off of me and i agree with him.

No idea about your story.

mental illnesses enrich psychiatrists and many pharmaceutical companies at the expense of patients who want prescriptions and the tax payer.

Yes, psychiatrists get paid to treat patients with mental illness. It doesn't mean they are all out to get you. In fact, psychiatrists don't get paid all that much for the type of people they have to manage.

anti-psychotics (regardless of the dose) dont really help me, they just stop me from pissing other people off. they put me to sleep on too high of a dose and if i am too low of a dose i dont really know the difference. if someone commits aggression against someone, then we need decentralized county-level justice where aggressors are punished proportionally while victims are restituted proportionately.

This sounds like you don't have insight. Yes, antipsychotics can make you sleepy so you just need to work with your psychiatrist to adjust the dose appropriate. Not sure what's going on with the last sentence? Flight of ideas?

psychology and biology are perfectly useful and they often follow ethical standards, but psychiatry has no ethical standards in favor of the patient.

Wrong. Psychiatry has a lot of ethical standards. They have the same ethical standards that all of medicine has. Psychiatrists should abide by the oath. You're just not well informed.

do i think i need medication if i wanted to think straight at all? of course. does that mean that it is because i was diagnosed with a mental illness? hell no.

This is just a guess, but if you can't think "straight" without medicine, there's usually something different going on in the brain.

 

[Jodell88]

mamodor is that you?

 

[PowerYoga]

Where's my free ipod?