why psychiatry is authoritarian bs

[uclaLabrat]

not trying to be rude or anything, but it's really pathetic so many support psychiatry.

well, if theyre not putting me to sleep they may help me think a little bit better. but if i cant think straight off of them and if i have to take them to know the difference, then im beyond help.

also, the meds arent going to do me any good in the long run or at least they wouldnt if people were free.

Not to be a complete dick, but based on your threads in P&N, that's a big negative, ghostrider, and evidence to the contrary.

 

[tcsenter]

mental illnesses are created by men (with very questionable motives) as no physical test can say with 100% certainty what mental illness you have.

Check the medical diagnoses for which there is no certainty, no objective test, and comes to down to a combination of clinical judgement and diagnosis by exclusion/elimination. It's quite considerable (i.e. its actually MOST non-psychiatric medical conditions). e.g. narcolepsy has a misdiagnosis rate (false positive and negative), there is NO definitive diagnostic test.

the doctor at the psych ward didnt even observe me directly (or at least not for more than 5 minutes) before he diagnosed me. and then some really cool guy got a shot in the ass when he didnt even try to hurt anyone... he was just going on manically about lincoln and bi polar disorder which and it was really kind of funny. he told me that the psychiatric ward was just trying to make money off of me and i agree with him.

Your complaint is universal (in the USA), nothing limited to psychiatry. Everyone is complaining that doctors aren't spending enough time with patients, aren't listening enough. Doctors are complaining about it. Money helps. If you can afford one of those nice private doctors, or have exceptionally good insurance, they will spend lots of time listening, take a comprehensive history, order appropriate tests, etc.

Mental illness (and its attended harms, dysfunctions) has been observed and documented for centuries before the rise of modern pharmaceutical companies, actually since antiquity. e.g. Hippocrates commented on severe depression and other illnesses. Nebuchadnezzar II was said to have gone insane for seven years, completely withdrew from society and lived in the forest in what was described as an animal-like state (note: a fragment from the Dead Sea Scrolls says it was Nabonidus who was afflicted with madness for seven years).

Goodness forbid anyone attempt to describe these (and other) conditions, try to understand their origins, as well as develop treatments for them.

 

[BoomerD]

This is really going places.......another Grade A thread by our resident Mental Retard!!

FTFY

wow. I thought you were just a troll. know i know you are a fucked up individual with brain damage.

Waggy, that could be an accurate description for quite a few posters here...and over there.

OP, should we go back to locking people like you up for life in mental institutions? Sometimes it does seem like a good idea...

 

[Doppel]

I would just randomly like to add that just because a person cannot be objectively and qualitatively diagnosed by some specific criteria doesn't mean they do not suffer the condition. A person can still be mentally ill even if an MRI or blood test doesn't show it--all that does is show the shortcomings of the tests.

Example away from psychiatry is back pain. A lot of people suffer low back pain, and yet the cause of it may not show on any test. A physician cannot say what is giving it to you, but you certainly have it. Does his shortcoming mean you don't have it?

 

[Anarchist420]

Check the medical diagnoses for which there is no certainty, no objective test, and comes to down to a combination of clinical judgement and diagnosis by exclusion/elimination. It's quite considerable (i.e. its actually MOST non-psychiatric medical conditions). e.g. narcolepsy has a misdiagnosis rate (false positive and negative), there is NO definitive diagnostic test.

what i am saying is that psychiatry cant really save or improve lives by diagnosing people unlike diagnosing, for example, heart patients. it hasn't improved my life... ive been pretty unhappy for a very long time and if i took more abilify then i would be sleeping more. 10 hours per every 24 is too much already.
thank you

Example away from psychiatry is back pain. A lot of people suffer low back pain, and yet the cause of it may not show on any test. A physician cannot say what is giving it to you, but you certainly have it. Does his shortcoming mean you don't have it?

no it doesnt mean that one doesnt have it, but psychiatrists have a tendency to discover and seek out mental illnesses to diagnose all at a very fast rate so they can make money off people. no one should have to pay to get permission to use drugs as long as no aggression is taking place.

thank you

 

[Anarchist420]

OP, should we go back to locking people like you up for life in mental institutions? Sometimes it does seem like a good idea...

im sorry. but that wouldnt happen in a free society. id aggress against someone and get killed or die trying in a free society and that's the way it should be.

the State locking people up serves very few.

 

[rockyct]

what i am saying is that psychiatry cant really save or improve lives by diagnosing people unlike diagnosing, for example, heart patients. it hasn't improved my life... ive been pretty unhappy for a very long time and if i took more abilify then i would be sleeping more. 10 hours per every 24 is too much already.
thank you

no it doesnt mean that one doesnt have it, but psychiatrists have a tendency to discover and seek out mental illnesses to diagnose all at a very fast rate so they can make money off people. no one should have to pay to get permission to use drugs as long as no aggression is taking place.

thank you

So..you're saying psychiatrists can't help you so you want to take whatever drugs you want?

 

[Lifted]

Is this thread on a timer? I see it posted over and over and over and ...

Not sure if same OP every time.

 

[Anarchist420]

So..you're saying psychiatrists can't help you so you want to take whatever drugs you want?

exactly. but it's not just me... psychiatrists dont help anyone.

and they would not exist (or at least would not be quite as rich) if there was extreme decentralization.

 

[JMapleton]

This is a troll thread.

Mental illness does indeed exist. I would even venture to say every human being is mentally deficient to some extent but most have the will power and reasoning skills subdue these notions/urges of insanity and live a normal life without seriously harming others.

If mental illness did not exist, variances in personalities would not exist. Why are some people short tempered? Why are some people socially incapable?

Any scientific person will admit, free will does not exist. We did and do not create who we are.

A truly intelligent person will admit they did not "create" their intelligence, but it simply was the luck of the draw that their brain happened to be programmed to consistently produce intelligent/logical thought patterns. So saying people are "choosing" to perform insane/anti-social behavior is not correct.

But again, OP has to be trolling or has not thought out their opinions very well.

 

[rockyct]

exactly. but it's not just me... psychiatrists dont help anyone.

and they would not exist (or at least would not be quite as rich) if there was extreme decentralization.

This logic shows how impaired your mind is right now. Psychiatrists help tons of people and at the very least know the existing drugs and the necessary information like what situations which drug is more likely to work and the side affects of each drugs. An untrained, yet mentally healthy person cannot make that kind of decision let along you, someone whose mind is severely impaired and cannot reason to make good decisions.

At the very least medications have to be fairly controlled or we'd have no antibiotic resistance at all. Everyone would just take a dose of antibiotics every time they got sick even if they got the flu.

 

[JMapleton]

exactly. but it's not just me... psychiatrists dont help anyone.

That's purely an opinion. There are millions of people who would say their psychological provider did help them. Do you just dismiss their opinion?

You're making blanket statements with no evidence.

 

[mmntech]

L Ron Hubbard approves of this thread. :thumbsup:

 

[lxskllr]

I would even venture to say every human being is mentally efficient to some extent

I wish. If that were the case, my life would be much easier.

 

[JMapleton]

I wish. If that were the case, my life would be much easier.

I meant deficient.

Used in a sentence...."JMapleton's typing skills are sometimes deficient."

 

[IGBT]

don't forget the definition of "mental illness" is fluid and constantly changing thanks to political correctness and disability rackets and fraud.

 

[Mixolydian]

You're making blanket statements with no evidence.

No, he's making psychotic statements that people with mental illness make.

OP, you can thank psychiatry that you're not locked up for life, or simply taken out back and killed. You being here right now and expressing your thoughts (albeit psychotic thoughts) is because of psychiatry.

 

[JMapleton]

don't forget the definition of "mental illness" is fluid and constantly changing thanks to political correctness and disability rackets and fraud.

Do you know of any definition in this world that isn't fluid for the very same reasons?

 

[Anarchist420]

OP, you can thank psychiatry that you're not locked up for life, or simply taken out back and killed. You being here right now and expressing your thoughts (albeit psychotic thoughts) is because of psychiatry.

not really, i would just ask my parents or a neurologist what drugs they thought were best and if i were dead, then id be dead from being stupid, not mental illness.

and i dont really value my life that much anyway no matter how much you might think you know what's best for me. sorry.

my thoughts are largely "psychotic" to you because you disagree with them. they are indeed not very coherent, but i really think that you're just reading things you disagree with and then calling them psychotic.

 

[BoomerD]

im sorry. but that wouldnt happen in a free society. id aggress against someone and get killed or die trying in a free society and that's the way it should be.

the State locking people up serves very few.

So...turning loose on the general population, people with severe mental illness is a sign of a free society? Why the fuck should anyone have to deal with psychotic individuals?
I contend that it's better for society if we lock those mentally defectives up until such time as they can be "healed," or, if a cure/healing isn't possible, either confine them for the duration of their lives...or execute them to save the costs.

 

[Anarchist420]

I contend that it's better for society if we lock those mentally defectives up until such time as they can be "healed," or, if a cure/healing isn't possible, either confine them for the duration of their lives...or execute them to save the costs.

even if they haven't aggressed against anyone?

if so, then you're proposing a policy like preventive war against not only people psychiatrists deem mentally ill but also a war against liberty and those who appreciate it.

maybe cyanide and barbituates should be over the counter so mentally ill people can commit suicide if they wish. maybe the no one should be disarmed by the State so that people can commit suicide safely if they wish to.

 

[Soundmanred]

maybe cyanide and barbituates should be over the counter so mentally ill people like me can commit suicide if they wish.

We finally agree on something!
Thanks to BoomerD for the assist.
Goodnight!

 

[AyashiKaibutsu]

exactly. but it's not just me... psychiatrists dont help anyone.

and they would not exist (or at least would not be quite as rich) if there was extreme decentralization.

There was a whole industry based on keeping insane people locked up. Now, there's just temporary wards and a few scattered more permanent ones. Psychiatry killed that industry by helping people.

 

[JEDIYoda]

I don`t feel sorry for you.....
I don`t feel pity for you....
I have no feelings for you.....

With that said I have a friend who is a Polish immigrant who immigrated back in the 1990`s....
She left her business and Poland because her husband passed away and she couldn`t cope.

When she came to America to visit her son who was living here he did not think anything was wrong with his mother other than she would be fine when she went back to Poland!

I knew this woman and I as I got to know her she was seeing things that were not there......often she would say the world looked dark to her. Often she would act super silly.......not normal.

I took her to see an influential older Polish woman that I knew who just happened to pull some strings and get my friend into see a the only Polish Psychiatrist who worked for the county in the state of California.

My friends son went with me and got in an argument with the psychiatrist! We were asked to leave so they could talk. Her son left in a fit of anger after telling me...I do not have time to take care of my mother......you take care of her.

I didn`t need to take care of her.....My friend was prescribed --Zyprexa. Zoloft, Colanzopam and late after a few years they added Abilify...... she takes 2 of these in the morning and Abilify at night and if she goes one night without sleeping or becomes nervous and cant sleep or has a panic attack she takes the Colanzepam.

She has worked a normal productive job for over 10 years and has had no mental issues.
She has since retired and she just got her driver license. If it was not for the Psychiatrists and the prescribed meds my friend would be living with the wife and I. Instead she has her own life!!

Anarchist it would seem to me that perhaps you are going to the wrong doctors....or your just playing all the people who post on these forums like a fine violin!!

 

[bryanl]

Are you a Scientologist? Founder L. Ron Hubberd held a grudge against therapists because their professional associations rejected his book, Dianetics, for publication in their peer reviewed journals.