Why resolution blockages?

matty67

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Why are phones and tablets getting resolutions that far exceed anything you see on a PC? Even phones from 2 years ago have 800x480 resolution that that's on a 4" screen. Comparable resolution on a 20" or 24" monitor would be 4000x2400 and 4800x2880 both of which would be awesome tho also very demanding on the current set of video cards. Which also ties back to phones and tablets... the iPad 3 with it's rumoured retina display is running resolutions that is far higher than that of the average PC. That seems very backwards to me, tho if it serves to drive things forward hallelujah! The TV market is in much the same place... 1080p is awesome... for screens under 55. At and above that there are some seriously diminishing returns. AMOLED, 4k, etc etc are shown and talked about at events like CES but they seem to begin and end there. Where's the innovation? It seems like were really stuck with innovation coming from portables. Gee, could that have something to do with sales slumping?
 

aka1nas

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It's significantly harder/expensive to scale up the sizes of screen technologies. It's not like a semiconductor fab, where you can plan on disabling certain parts of the product that don't pass validation and sell it as a crippled version. If you have too many dead pixels, you have to throw away the whole panel.
 

JBT

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Ummm arn't most phones $400-600 with out carrier subsidies? Those 3-4" screens are pricey...
 

Stuka87

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Phone displays are certainly not cheap. 4.3" display may cost close to 100 bucks just for the panel.

Also, if you were to make say a 300ppi 23" display, just what kind of graphics hardware are you going to use to drive it? Not everybody has the cash for CF 7970's just to run current games decently. However driving a screen that is 800x480 is nothing special. Even more basic hardware can handle that.

Then there is the fact that most video cards don't even support resolutions that high at all. Even for basic operation.
 

KingFatty

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Why are phones and tablets getting resolutions that far exceed anything you see on a PC? Even phones from 2 years ago have 800x480 resolution that that's on a 4" screen. Comparable resolution on a 20" or 24" monitor would be 4000x2400 and 4800x2880 both of which would be awesome tho also very demanding on the current set of video cards.

One issue is how close you hold the phone to your eyes, compared to how far away you sit from the TV screen.

You can see individual pixels on your TV screen if you get close to it, but sitting back on your couch the pixels disappear into a smooth canvas. There are studies that show it's not possible for the human eye to distinguish between 720p and 1080p when you exceed a certain viewing distance.

As far as phones, you sometimes get very very close to them, so if you want to have the pixels become indiscernable, you will need a very very high pixel depth. "Retina" display on a phone needs to be much higher resolution than on a TV, because you are so far away from the TV.
 

RussianSensation

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People are cheap.

Why wouldn't they be? Look at the price difference between a 1080P 27 inch screen and a 2560x1440 27 inch screen....

I think lack of predator-like competition is one answer. Right now HP, Dell and Apple can sell people 27 or 30 inch screens with 2560x1600/1440 resolution for $1000-1,300 and people still buy them. Why would those companies lower prices or sell us a 30 inch screen with 2x as many pixels? They haven't dropped prices in 4-5 years. As long as that small group of consumers are willing to spend $1000-1300 on a 30 inch screen, companies have no incentive to lower prices or innovate. I somehow doubt that it costs 3x more to manufacture a 1440P 27 inch monitor than a 1080P 27 inch monitor.

Samsung S3 will supposedly have a 4.8 inch 1920x1080P display this year. The next 10 inch IPad 3 will most likely have 2048x1536 display, starting next week. If smartphones and tablet screens are increasing their PPI and screen sizes, that means over time larger screens with higher resolution are becoming cheaper to manufacture. We should see the same trend for all screen sizes and all screen resolutions over time.

There is so much competition and consumer demand for higher quality screens in the tablet and smartphone market that companies cannot afford to stand still. It's probably a catch-22. The number of people who want a 30 inch 2560x1600 or higher resolution monitor for $1,000-1300 is too small to justify investing heavily into R&D to make 30 inch screens with 2x the resolution. But because 30 inch screens cost so much, so few people buy them in the first place, creating a lack of demand given the price. What you have then is complete stagnation in that segment in the last 5 years.

Still, even I find it hard to believe in the cost argument. Pretty much all sizes of 32-80 inch plasma and LEDs have come down in price over the years. 30 inch 2560x1600 monitors? Have barely moved. There is no way that it costs the same to manufacture a 30 inch 2560x1600 screen as it did in 2006. Why are they still $1,000-1,300? Like I said, consumers are still paying, and those companies found the 'optimal' equilibrium of probably making huge profits selling to a small % of the market.

Considering companies like Sony, Samsung and Panasonic continue to lose millions of dollars on their TV sales, the highly competitive, thin profit margin TV screen industry's performance gives an even higher incentive for companies to try and maintain what are surely few highly profitable product lines. They were able to create this allusion that 27 and 30 inch screens are "special" and thus warrant high prices/high profit margins (such as 30 inch 2560x1600 screens at $1000+). It's marketing 101. And consumers have accepted it since the alternative to a $1000-1300 30 inch Dell 2560x1600 screen is a $1000-1300 HP screen....with a similar panel to Dell's and the same ugly plastic casing.
 
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imaheadcase

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People commonly make the mistake that just because something is bigger or smaller means it is better. Its like saying a 46 inch TV is better for gaming because "its bigger" not taking into account just because it seems in that bigger is better (hehe) scaling that size you lost a lot of screen rez.

No matter what anyone tells you, price is what makes a good monitor..you DO get what you pay for. Take into consideration the monitor and desk/chair is the 2 items you use the most on a computer. The monitor is not something to skimp on.
 

greenhawk

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Why are phones and tablets getting resolutions that far exceed anything you see on a PC?

PC stagnated when people did not want to pay premiums for higher end screens.

This was back before HD / 1920x came out. At which point screens that could do 2560x1440 were phased out in favor of 1920x screens. Now with people's old 2560x1440 screens dieing from old age and 1920 selling for as little as $150 locally, hopefully we will see the return of larger PC resolutions.
 
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