But it does look bad, and it's something to complain about. So why do it?Which doesn't do anything for the desktop apps they benchmarked...
But it does look bad, and it's something to complain about. So why do it?
And how many applications can make use of bandwidth in excess of 60 GBps, you'll find it hard to name half a dozen.Agree running the Intel HEDT chips in dual channel mode is dirty. A big selling point of the HEDT platform is the massive bandwidth
I'd say if gaming is somebody's sole or only purpose for buying a CPU is just gaming, they'd be better off buying a console. These are PCs. They're general purpose machines meant for all kinds of things.
Yeah exactly. It's not material if applications can use that bandwidth, what is material is that the tester did not use the best config for the platform which casts doubt on all of the results.And how many applications can make use of bandwidth in excess of 60 GBps, you'll find it hard to name half a dozen.
I agree though that they should let the best config, even for Intel, run in real world tests, for synthetics they can show dual vs quad channel results.
Source pls?Jesus, half of the reason has been solved already, a bios update that improves fps from 4-26% with averages 17%.
Joker productions was using this bios update, use his reviews to see gaming performance.
Which shows 3.9ghz 1700 matching a 5ghz 7700k across 10 games @ 1080p.
Any game/cache/scheduler optimizations come on top of that in the future.
Nothing wrong with ryzens gaming performance.
And even I, an Intel fan, would point at them and jeer...It's a no-win situation, had they used quad channel some people would complain about the extra useless power consumption.
https://www.youtube.com/user/jerzybakes420Source pls?
A lot of it is the 'hurr hurr, 1080p gaming matters most'. AMD has made made a solid product, and one I will buy in early summer. CPU's have a lot of other uses aside from some poorly threaded "Blaze Fraggleblaster and the Bimbos of DOOM!" A lot of folks have been needing more than a gaming CPU at a reasonable price, only to get the middle finger from Intel. Well, if you need more Bimbos of Doom, buy Intel. Those 10 frames you missed in the last second might change your life after all. But if you work for a living...@ OP: You can't really be serious. I count ten Ryzen threads in this forum, most overwhelmingly positive, filled with hype bordering on outright product promotion, and flooded with posters vociferously defending it against the least bit of criticism or even simply negative benchmarks. Any "fud" in this forum is a miniscule drop in the bucket compared to the hype, product promotion and Intel bashing that permeates every thread.
Frozen, thank you for your thoughts - I just seen the neighboring threads ("Are AM4 Chipsets Gimped? "in Motherboards, "Ryzen-A Fail for Gamers?" , "Why does Ryzen 7 1800X performs so poorly in games? " here in CPU section) and that triggered my question.
to me it is somewhat disappointing when a good technical forum is used for self medication of buyers regret..
at the same time there is an excellent (in my opinion) thread Ryzen, Strictly Technical which is better than anandtech official review, and made it worth coming here at the launch/post launch. I would love to see more of the second and less of the X sucks threads filled with BS and FUD as I hope vast majority of us are adults and I care little in trying to 'prove' anything or 'convince' anybody. I want to learn, happy to share what I learned, thus the questions..
Hardware Canucks shows the Ryzen CPU doing 300 FPS at 1080p in overwatch. Also, most reviewers commented that the R7 offered a smoother experience. So, I am not sure what you are going on about.What is wrong with talking about its short comings? Not every thread and post needs to be a glowing review. There is plenty of that already.
I'm a gamer who pretty much needs 80+ FPS in games, or I start to get nauseated. To me, the new Ryzen would not be my 1st pick, because it matters to me when the FPS dip, and I am going to turn down settings in order to push for those 80+ FPS at all times.
And until there are some updates done to software/drivers, it's surprisingly isn't doing all that great at the desktop according to the THG review: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd-ryzen-7-1800x-cpu,4951-8.html
It has potential and is a good start. It is not the end all be all of CPU's. I'll pay attention to how it does, but I will not put blinders on either.
The point is, not all games perform like Overwatch. Not everyone plays only Overwatch and CSGO. There are plenty of games which will drop below 80 FPS. For example, look at Ashes of Singularity, clearly Ryzen is not as fast, and has lower minimums. http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd-ryzen-7-1800x-cpu,4951-6.htmlHardware Canucks shows the Ryzen CPU doing 300 FPS at 1080p in overwatch. Also, most comment that it's more consistent FPS, less dips. So, I am not sure what you are going on about.
There are more bad reviews out there than I can count. You cannot seriously look at one bad review for one game and make conclusions. It's nonsense....The point is, not all games perform like Overwatch. Not everyone plays only Overwatch and CSGO. There are plenty of games which will drop below 80 FPS. For example, look at Ashes of Singularity, clearly Ryzen is not as fast, and has lower minimums. http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd-ryzen-7-1800x-cpu,4951-6.html
I'm not saying the CPU is bad. It's quite encouraging, but that does not make it perfect and it is not as fast as Intel's offerings. As a gamer who does like AAA games, and 80+, I know all too well that CPU's don't always reach that 80 FPS target, no matter what it is.
I'd guess 75% of the posts are saying that, although, you might want to recheck those benchmarks, as Ryzen is not destroying Kabylake at most those things (it's behind actually. Hopefully software updates changes that). Just because some people aren't interested in it for gaming, or consider it a "fail for gaming", doesn't mean it wasn't a win either. Why does every post have to be a glowing review?What happens to the days when people mention that if zen can reach haswell level ipc then it would already be a killer proccesor? Well, ryzen certainly delivers that in the gaming segment. It outperforms all i5s in most games and rival haswell i7 in some. Not to mention in rendering, editing, 7ziping or whatever else, it destroys the kabylake i7.
Every game which was not bottlenecked I have seen, is showing to be slower in Ryzen than the i7 7700k. Are you seriously saying that it's not? You don't have to over sell Ryzen. Maybe software updates can change things, but as of now, it's not faster. It may be as fast in a lot of games, due to the game being GPU bottlenecked, but as a high FPS gamer, I can tell you, almost every game has spots where there are CPU bottlenecks, so for me, it matters. If it doesn't for you, great.There are more bad reviews out there than I can count. You cannot seriously look at one bad review for one game and make conclusions. It's nonsense....
TomsHardware got bad results, because they either screwed up, and/or got an unlucky configuration of hardware.
Ohh yah, then what is this?Every game which was not bottlenecked I have seen, is showing to be slower in Ryzen than the i7 7700k. Are you seriously saying that it's not? You don't have to over sell Ryzen. Maybe software updates can change things, but as of now, it's not faster. It may be as fast in a lot of games, due to the game being GPU bottlenecked, but as a high FPS gamer, I can tell you, almost every game has spots where there are CPU bottlenecks, so for me, it matters. If it doesn't for you, great.
http://www.gamersnexus.net/hwreview...review-premiere-blender-fps-benchmarks/page-6I'd guess 75% of the posts are saying that, although, you might want to recheck those benchmarks, as Ryzen is not destroying Kabylake at most those things (it's behind actually. Hopefully software updates changes that). Just because some people aren't interested in it for gaming, or consider it a "fail for gaming", doesn't mean it wasn't a win either. Why does every post have to be a glowing review?
Can you find any other site with comparable results? Has it not already been established that either that sites reviews were experiencing technical difficulties or are fake? (not the Overwatch results, the others).Ohh yah, then what is this?