Why taxes will need to go up

[Billyzeke]

Originally posted by: SunSamurai

Originally posted by: Ackmed
Good thing obama said we wouldnt get a tax increase. I almost believed him. The only "change" hes giving me, is whats in my pocket.

lol

It would be funny......... If it weren't true.

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: eskimospy
I know that the red areas of the US produce quite a bit on their own, it is just not as much as the blue ones.

I didn't realize Hollywood and Wall Street actually produced anything that had real value.

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

Originally posted by: Specop 007
I really, truly believe its time for the country to split. Theres just too many differences that run too deeply in my opinion.

and how exactly do you split it, on a block by block basis?

seriously, what a moronic post.

They're called states, moron.

 

[ProfJohn]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: Specop 007
I really, truly believe its time for the country to split. Theres just too many differences that run too deeply in my opinion.

You do realize that the conservative parts of this country would be left in a world of hurt without the blue states, right? Do you realize what percentage of our GDP is concentrated in the liberal areas?

That is because the blue states have higher populations.

In 2000 Al Gore almost won by carrying just 20 states.

And then factor in the higher cost of living and higher income levels. A person making $40k a year in the north east is going to live a life style similar to someone making $30k in parts of the southeast, but that person from the north will pay more income taxes due to our progressive income tax system.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: eskimospy
I know that the red areas of the US produce quite a bit on their own, it is just not as much as the blue ones.

I didn't realize Hollywood and Wall Street actually produced anything that had real value.

I didn't realize that CA was dependent on Hollywood to feed them...wait they aren't as CA is an agricultural giant.

 

[Moonbeam]

People who hate themselves become sheep. The only place for a person who fears being put down, that is to say, reminded of how worthless he feels, is by actively striving to belong, to be exactly normal and like all the people around you. Naturally, the norm varies from place to place, so there is this need to try to impose your norm on all others, because among them you are weird and will be put down.

So the North is contemptuous of the south, they project their own self hate down there, and the South does the same, just like the East and the West and so on. Until you realize that your own self hate is based on being put down as a child and forced to conform to survive, we will all continue to haate the other and try to humiliate him, because we feel so worthless ourselves.

Everybody always was and is perfect just as they were born. You hate yourself because you were taught a lie which you believed, had to believe to survive.

Try to understand that the hate you feel is how much you hate yourself. It is so so sad. The wall that splits you from your true self is practically impenetrable. But there isn't anything else worth doing than to try to break it down. Good luck to you. You are going to need it since you will forget almost instantly what I just said.

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: Ackmed
The only "change" hes giving me, is whats in my pocket.

BWAHAHAHAHAHA i have NEVER heard that joke before u guys are so original and funny AHAHAHAHAHA!!@!$#

So this is what the crook says as he steals from us.

Something tells me the guys paying the bills will be the last one laughing. Enjoy your moment.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: Specop 007
I really, truly believe its time for the country to split. Theres just too many differences that run too deeply in my opinion.

You do realize that the conservative parts of this country would be left in a world of hurt without the blue states, right? Do you realize what percentage of our GDP is concentrated in the liberal areas?

That is because the blue states have higher populations.

In 2000 Al Gore almost won by carrying just 20 states.

And then factor in the higher cost of living and higher income levels. A person making $40k a year in the north east is going to live a life style similar to someone making $30k in parts of the southeast, but that person from the north will pay more income taxes due to our progressive income tax system.

Why would it possibly matter if they have higher populations? I'm not sure I understand your post. As far as I can read, you're basically saying 'GUYS THE BLUE STATES JUST MAKE MORE OF OUR GDP BECAUSE THEY HAVE MORE PEOPLE THAT MAKE MORE MONEY.' (wasn't that my whole point?)

You are right that they will pay more in income taxes, a whopping 1.8% more. In addition, it's always better to live in a higher cost of living area that you make equivalently more money in than in a low cost area because many goods and services have a relatively fixed price regardless of your zip code. Things are so cheap in the south because not that many people want to live there.

 

[Billyzeke]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: Specop 007
I really, truly believe its time for the country to split. Theres just too many differences that run too deeply in my opinion.

You do realize that the conservative parts of this country would be left in a world of hurt without the blue states, right? Do you realize what percentage of our GDP is concentrated in the liberal areas?

That is because the blue states have higher populations.

In 2000 Al Gore almost won by carrying just 20 states.

And then factor in the higher cost of living and higher income levels. A person making $40k a year in the north east is going to live a life style similar to someone making $30k in parts of the southeast, but that person from the north will pay more income taxes due to our progressive income tax system.

Things are so cheap in the south because not that many people want to live there.

That bolded statement is utter nonsense.

Stop migrating here when you retire! Keep your snowbirds above the Mason Dixon! Seriously, how many people retire and move north?

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: eskimospy
I know that the red areas of the US produce quite a bit on their own, it is just not as much as the blue ones.

I didn't realize Hollywood and Wall Street actually produced anything that had real value.

I didn't realize that CA was dependent on Hollywood to feed them...wait they aren't as CA is an agricultural giant.

You mean the red agricultural part of the state? You're demonstrating exactly how silly the red/blue issue is.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: Billyzeke

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Things are so cheap in the south because not that many people want to live there.

That bolded statement is utter nonsense.

Stop migrating here when you retire! Keep your snowbirds above the Mason Dixon! Seriously, how many people retire and move north?

People don't retire and move north, they tend to live there through their prime income generating years, which was sort of my point. People move south because it is warmer, and because the retirement money they built up during their lives goes farther in cheaper climates.

Property values have an awful lot to do with the amount of land available as compared to the amount of people that want to use that land. The Northeast and West Coasts have a large amount of people that want to use their land per acre, the South... not so much. Hence, the South is cheaper.

 

[Billyzeke]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: Billyzeke

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Things are so cheap in the south because not that many people want to live there.

That bolded statement is utter nonsense.

Stop migrating here when you retire! Keep your snowbirds above the Mason Dixon! Seriously, how many people retire and move north?

People don't retire and move north, they tend to live there through their prime income generating years, which was sort of my point. People move south because it is warmer, and because the retirement money they built up during their lives goes farther in cheaper climates.

Property values have an awful lot to do with the amount of land available as compared to the amount of people that want to use that land. The Northeast and West Coasts have a large amount of people that want to use their land per acre, the South... not so much. Hence, the South is cheaper.

Which was my point. People do want to live there.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: Billyzeke

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: Billyzeke

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Things are so cheap in the south because not that many people want to live there.

That bolded statement is utter nonsense.

Stop migrating here when you retire! Keep your snowbirds above the Mason Dixon! Seriously, how many people retire and move north?

People don't retire and move north, they tend to live there through their prime income generating years, which was sort of my point. People move south because it is warmer, and because the retirement money they built up during their lives goes farther in cheaper climates.

Property values have an awful lot to do with the amount of land available as compared to the amount of people that want to use that land. The Northeast and West Coasts have a large amount of people that want to use their land per acre, the South... not so much. Hence, the South is cheaper.

Which was my point. People do want to live there.

And the proportion of people who want to live there is considerably lower than in the Northeast or the West Coast, hence the lower property values.

 

[Fern]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: Fern
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If you think that creating two separate nations wouldn't create significant barriers to trade, you are foolish. 'Hardly any inconvenience'? My ass.

Well, I guess that why we can't trade with Canada- they're a seperate nation.

Oh wait, it's not hard to trade with Canada is it?

Originally posted by: eskimospy
know that the red areas of the US produce quite a bit on their own, it is just not as much as the blue ones. I thought this was common knowledge.

Common knowledge? IDK about that. But I do often see the numbers misrepresented because of the reason I listed above. I believe a lot of people thinking there is little manufacturing in the SE simply haven't been here much.

Fern

 

[piasabird]

How about a 50% tax on the media?

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: Fern

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: Fern
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If you think that creating two separate nations wouldn't create significant barriers to trade, you are foolish. 'Hardly any inconvenience'? My ass.

Well, I guess that why we can't trade with Canada- they're a seperate nation.

Oh wait, it's not hard to trade with Canada is it?

Fern

Did I ever say we couldn't trade with Canada? Do you realize that NAFTA involved Canada as well as Mexico, specifically because there were barriers to trade between our two countries? Maybe they just passed it to celebrate how easy it was to trade between our two nations.

I guess you are arguing that turning the US into two separate countries wouldn't result in significant barriers to trade, that is foolish.

 

[Gamingphreek]

jpeyton - you may be the most insanely liberal person I have ever met in my life. (I think, outside of discussion in General Hardware back in the day, we have never agreed on an issue... :beer: nonetheless)

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
jpeyton - you may be the most insanely liberal person I have ever met in my life.

Is that because I don't beat off to F-22 Raptor videos on YouTube? :beer:

 

[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
jpeyton - you may be the most insanely liberal person I have ever met in my life.

Is that because I don't beat off to F-22 Raptor videos on YouTube?

Jeez - my post was clearly not inflammatory or derogatory in any way shape or form. Its interesting that you seem to have lost the ability to even accept some light humor and an emoticon beer at the end.

Congratulations on the jerk of the year award...

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
jpeyton - you may be the most insanely liberal person I have ever met in my life.

Is that because I don't beat off to F-22 Raptor videos on YouTube?

Jeez - my post was clearly not inflammatory or derogatory in any way shape or form. Its interesting that you seem to have lost the ability to even accept some light humor and an emoticon beer at the end.

Congratulations on the jerk of the year award...

He's just Dave McOwen Lite.

 

[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
jpeyton - you may be the most insanely liberal person I have ever met in my life.

Is that because I don't beat off to F-22 Raptor videos on YouTube?

Jeez - my post was clearly not inflammatory or derogatory in any way shape or form. Its interesting that you seem to have lost the ability to even accept some light humor and an emoticon beer at the end.

Congratulations on the jerk of the year award...

He's just Dave McOwen Lite.

I honestly just tried to have a laugh with him and tell him that I may not agree with his decisions, but it is good discussing topics with him anyway. I don't understand why (other than the fact that this is P&N) that warranted such a vulgar response on his part...

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
jpeyton - you may be the most insanely liberal person I have ever met in my life.

Is that because I don't beat off to F-22 Raptor videos on YouTube?

Jeez - my post was clearly not inflammatory or derogatory in any way shape or form. Its interesting that you seem to have lost the ability to even accept some light humor and an emoticon beer at the end.

Congratulations on the jerk of the year award...

My bad, I totally forgot to include a beer and wink emoticon after my comment. I have edited the offending post.

:lips:

 

[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
jpeyton - you may be the most insanely liberal person I have ever met in my life.

Is that because I don't beat off to F-22 Raptor videos on YouTube?

Jeez - my post was clearly not inflammatory or derogatory in any way shape or form. Its interesting that you seem to have lost the ability to even accept some light humor and an emoticon beer at the end.

Congratulations on the jerk of the year award...

My bad, I totally forgot to include a beer and wink emoticon after my comment. I have edited the offending post.

:lips:

Ha - its kinda stupidly ridiculous how much that changes the connotation of that post. No worries though

As for the thread I seem to have derailed slightly here. - I just looked at my pay checks. 23% of my pay check goes to taxes - it would be really nice if that didn't increase any further -_-

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: ElFenix
those 95% of americans are already paying for the new cig tax and the soon to be fossil fuel handout.



if the .gov spends it's money wisely on things that make will get it a decent return, then rates won't have to go up because the natural uptick in taxes collected with an expanding economy could increase to cover the debt payments.

Any time you use an "if" with the gov, it's already going to fail

The current course of spending twice as much as everyone to get worse results is simply not sustainable.

It's not sustainable, but that's ok because the US is not doing that and never has been.

Some people are seeing now that Obama is not the best thing since sliced bread, but it's obvious that no matter what he does some sycophants will never be able to admit their disappointment.

 

[jpeyton]

Another week without my taxes going up. Still waiting OP.