Why the World’s Youngest Self-Made Female Billionaire May Be in Big Trouble

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Exterous

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The more accurate answer is that the article title of "charges" is misleading. The SEC does not have criminal enforcement powers.

Of course not - but SEC, FDA etc do have influence as to whether criminal charges will be brought. I'm no lawyer so if you have an additional insight I'd be interested to hear it but settlement without an admission of wrong doing and without going to civil court usually seems to signal no criminal proceedings. The claim has long been that the extraction of promises and\or changes is worth more than the admittance of wrong doing. However its gone on long enough for enough cases that it's weakened the threat and unless that practice changes I doubt we'll see more than a few token criminal cases here and there. I believe it was the NYT that did a piece on this a few years ago and found numerous Wall St firms that promised to never again commit a specific fraudulent action were caught engaging in the same fraudulent practice at least one additional time. I'm sure that there is some concern over the legal costs and what would happen if they lost a court case but in this situation (from my lawyer arm chair in a holiday inn i slept in last night) it certainly seems more obvious that most I've read about. Still and hopefully I am wrong, I feel like we've hit our token quota for the year with Mr. Shkreli and Mr. Ying
 
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RayCathode

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White collar slap on the wrist. Steal 700 mil from investors, pay a peanuts fine and give the money back. Steal a couple hundred from a gas station and it's years of PMITAP time.

Any examples of a first offender (or really almost anyone) getting years worth of time for stealing from a gas station without using or intimating that they had a weapon?

Not saying it hasn't happened, but you sound like you know of some offhand.
 

bradly1101

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Jeez, my body and others' I know have been subjected to horrors and disabilities by experimental treatments by supposedly knowledgeable people in medicine. Trust is too easily obtained especially if there's a hope for healing or major coin. I now keep toothpicks in my pocket for my eyelids so I'll no longer trust 'experts' and can intelligently ask about/lookup potential harms with eyes wide open from experience, not hope. They're not in it for me.
 
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Might need a sock if she sounded like Darth Vader. Or... not... her beauty might outshine it. :-O

Mmmm, muh lady has mesmerizing eyes!

The truth is :
She is a lady in a man world. I read that her choice of clothes is based upon that. So her bariton voice is probably also a result of hiding her feminine features a bit.
If she would wear a tight dress with lot of cleavage and a pronounced toosh, she would constantly have to remind men that they have to look at her face when discussing something...
 

zinfamous

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Reviving a 2.5 year old necro thread that deserved to be brought back. It is 2018 and Elizabeth Homes is now officially in BIG trouble:



https://www.marketwatch.com/story/s...mpany-president-with-massive-fraud-2018-03-14


SEC charges Theranos, CEO Elizabeth Holmes, and former company president with massive fraud

"The Securities and Exchange Commission filed charges on Wednesday against Theranos Inc., its founder and CEO Elizabeth Holmes, and the former company president Ramesh ''Sunny'' Balwani for raising more than $700 million from investors through an elaborate, years-long fraud. The SEC alleged that Theranos, Holmes, and Balwani made numerous false and misleading statements in investor presentations, product demonstrations, and media articles by which they deceived investors into believing that its key product - a portable blood analyzer - could conduct comprehensive blood tests from finger drops of blood, revolutionizing the blood testing industry. The Silicon Valley-based private company Theranos and Holmes have already settled the charges against them. Holmes has agreed to pay a $500,000 penalty, be barred from serving as an officer or director of a public company for 10 years, return the remaining 18.9 million shares that she obtained during the fraud, and relinquish her voting control of Theranos. Theranos and Holmes neither admitted nor denied the allegations in the SEC's complaint and the settlements are subject to court approval. The SEC's litigation with Balwani is ongoing."

so...what is the value of those "18.5 million shares" of Theranos? $0, right? Their only product was a fraud.
 

Svnla

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Nov 10, 2003
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Today WSJ did have a long article about this matter. In the article has several diagrams and pictures. About 4 years ago (February of 2014) the company had a value of over $6 BILLIONS USD. Yup, with a B. Now, not so much.
 

dud

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Here you go ... more info on why this case MAY be so important:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...wsuit-break-new-legal-ground-idUSKCN1GR34N?=4

Will the Theranos ‘indirect’ investor lawsuit break new legal ground?

"When the Securities and Exchange Commission announced its securities fraud case against Theranos, its soon-to-be-former CEO Elizabeth Holmes and former president Ramesh Balwani on Wednesday, Enforcement Division co-director Steven Peikin emphasized that the commission is committed to policing private companies, not just those that raise money on public exchanges. “Investors are entitled to nothing less than complete truth and candor from companies and their executives,” Peikin said in the SEC’s press release. “The charges against Theranos, Holmes and Balwani make clear that there is no exemption from the anti-fraud provisions of the federal securities laws simply because a company is non-public, development-stage or the subject of exuberant media attention.”

The SEC doesn’t often exercise its power to bust private companies for violating federal securities laws, but its officials said they wanted to send a message to Silicon Valley entrepreneurs, whose startups can be valued at more than a billion dollars before they ever go public. Theranos is an especially vivid example. Holmes raised $700 million from investors, according to the SEC, but at its peak, her company was valued at around $9 billion.

The SEC’s complaint against Theranos and Holmes focused on alleged lies to investors who put money directly into the company. Those insiders were only part of the market for Theranos, though. To the extent the company’s multibillion-dollar valuation reflected investor demand for a stake in Theranos’ purportedly revolutionary – and widely publicized – technology for blood testing, it rested on “indirect” investors who bought shares in funds that actually owned Theranos stock.

Unlike the SEC, indirect investors can’t sue under federal securities laws. (Direct investors in private companies, of course, can bring fraud claims if they can show they relied on corporate misrepresentations.) But as I’ve previously reported, in the age of unicorn Silicon Valley startups, shareholder lawyers have developed a theory on how indirect investors can band together in class actions based on California’s corporate code.

That theory is about to undergo a critical test in a class action by indirect investors in, you guessed it, Theranos. Last month, shareholder lawyers at Hagens Berman Sobol Shapiro and Robbins Geller Rudman & Dowd filed a motion to certify a class of more than 200 investors who plunked down money in funds that owned shares of Theranos. Theranos, which is represented by Wilmer Cutler Pickering Hale & Dorr, filed the company’s opposition last Friday, days before Theranos and Holmes agreed to settle the SEC’s charges. The judge overseeing the indirect investors’ case, U.S. Magistrate Judge Nathanael Cousins of San Jose, has already denied Theranos’ motion to dismiss the case outright. Defeating class certification is now the company’s best hope to evade liability to its indirect investors.

As you know, securities fraud class actions depend on the idea of an efficient securities market reacting to significant corporate lies. Indirect investors in a privately-held company like Theranos can’t argue market efficiency. But they contend that under California corporate law (and the common law of fraud), they can be certified as a class to litigate “a straightforward overarching inquiry for the court: Should the overwhelming evidence of defendants’ fraud be presented in a single action that adjudicates all common factual and legal issues, or should approximately two hundred defrauded ‘indirect shareholder’ investors in the putative class be forced to either forgo recovery or initiate individual actions to present the same evidence and litigate the same factual and legal issues against the same defendants?”

The investors claim that Theranos and Holmes knew and encouraged some of the company’s direct shareholders to market indirect investments in funds holding Theranos stock. Holmes even tracked these “indirect shareholders,” according to the class certification motion.

And because all of them, according to shareholder lawyers, bought an stake in Theranos’ future after Holmes and other insiders made false statements, “each class member suffered financial harm caused by defendants’ actions above, when the truth came out and the value of their securities collapsed.”

Theranos responded that it’s impossible to discern a common interest in indirect investors who had all sorts of different motivations. “Theranos has never been a public company. It has never published quarterly or annual reports or prospectuses, announced financial results, held public investor calls, or publicly disseminated information about its business plans or finances,” the company’s brief said. “Class members could have read any of thousands of public references to Theranos — or none — and could have received private information — or not — but the only way to know is individual fact-finding … In an inefficient market such as this one, the only way to know whether an alleged misrepresentation affected a purchaser’s price is to examine each transaction.”

It’s not clear how, if at all, the Theranos and Holmes settlements with the SEC will affect class certification. I emailed five plaintiffs’ lawyers from Hagens Berman and Robbins Geller and didn’t hear back from any of them. Theranos lawyer Timothy Perla of Wilmer also didn’t respond to my email. Holmes and the company did not admit liability in their SEC settlements so there’s no risk shareholders can claim they’ve conceded wrongdoing.

On the other hand, it’s not an everyday thing for the SEC to allege “massive fraud” at a private company. Theranos reminded Judge Cousins that no court has previously certified a class of indirect investors, arguing that the indirect shareholders had given the court “no reason to break new ground.”

Maybe Judge Cousins will see the SEC case as a reason."
 

Darwin333

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So they still have to pay back $700 millions to the more than 200 "indirect" investors. How did the "revolutionary" blood-testing technology from a startup company not get evaluated by others/third party to verify it's claims. https://www.bloomberg.com/view/arti...vestors-and-consumers-who-used-its-blood-test

I'd wager that most of that money is gone. You can win a civil suit for a trillion dollars but if the other party only has $1,000 to their name you ain't getting shit.
 

dud

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So they still have to pay back $700 millions to the more than 200 "indirect" investors. How did the "revolutionary" blood-testing technology from a startup company not get evaluated by others/third party to verify it's claims. https://www.bloomberg.com/view/arti...vestors-and-consumers-who-used-its-blood-test


Apparently Holmes and Thoranos did not submit nor allow peer review of their tech. THAT should have been a red flag. Why would anyone invest if not reviewed? Those same investors are now crying foul???
 
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tortillasoup

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Seems like a sad ending to something that seemed very promising. I'm wondering how much of this failure is caused by the company gaining too much traction and investment before it was ready to go prime time.
 

zinfamous

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Apparently Holmes and Thoranos did not submit nor allow peer review of their tech. THAT should have been a red flag. Why would anyone invest if not reviewed? Those same investors are now crying foul???

Well they didn't allow any seasoned scientists on the board and carefully guarded access to the tech and info. Essentially courted idealistic, naive SV investors with no real understanding of the tech and so no ability to vet it. Holmes presented and established herself as the only wizard who's understanding of the process needed to be trusted.

This is basically what that e-Cat guy is trying to do, but going into fusion like he has been is a well-documented scam or, rather, requires some rather serious proof of concept.
 

clamum

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As I just said in a YouTube video, "I don't even care about her fraud, I just want to hug her and console her and tell her everything will be ok. COME TO ME ELIZABETH, I'LL TAKE CARE OF YOU" <3
 

Ventanni

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Investors took a leap of faith because they knew if Theranos was right, they would be wealthy out the wazoo. I mean, imagine being one of the early investors of Apple, Microsoft, or Amazon? Unfortunately, I don't think they checked the science behind it. As interested as I was seeing this product, I was concerned with the lack of actual working model. Something seemed really off with her. It was like she was copying Steve Jobs and investors took the bait.

Still though, her technology may have some merit and may still lead to something down the road, but not right now.
 

MaxDepth

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I have an interesting connection to the billionaire investors in California, through a brother in law.

Aileen Lee coined the term, "unicorn" five years ago for a startup with a valuation of over $1 billion dollars. Bill Gurley had his quote taken out of context in 2015 when he talked about the rise and growth of unsustainable unicorns because of FOMO (fear of missing out). He'd actually tried to define a unicorn as having a first round valuation of over a billion. The difference here is that FOMO is over-inflating the valuations on second, third and follow on rounds of funding. So the rare unicorn is the billion dollar product out of the gate.

So when the news and investment strategy houses detail the big winners of people who got in on the ground floor of Google, Facebook, bitcoin, etc. the others who think they have cash to burn want to buy into the same. So a place like Theranos which is in the biotech market without having a patented drug to sell (these one off drug companies almost never make it to unicorn status), people were like the Fry meme (shut up and take my money).

And while Theranos C-staff were basically lying to everyone and committed fraud, investors behind the banks will most likely never see any cash back at all.


Investors took a leap of faith because they knew if Theranos was right, they would be wealthy out the wazoo. I mean, imagine being one of the early investors of Apple, Microsoft, or Amazon? Unfortunately, I don't think they checked the science behind it. As interested as I was seeing this product, I was concerned with the lack of actual working model. Something seemed really off with her. It was like she was copying Steve Jobs and investors took the bait.

Still though, her technology may have some merit and may still lead to something down the road, but not right now.
 

dud

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Looks like Theranos is now on life support. They just slashed their workforce to a dozen or so as reported by Reuters today, 10 April:



"Theranos Lays Off Most of Remaining Workforce: WSJ


Embattled blood-testing company Theranos Inc laid off most of its remaining workforce to preserve cash and avert or at least delay bankruptcy for a few more months, the Wall Street Journal reported on Tuesday, citing people familiar with the matter.

The layoffs take the company’s head count from about 125 employees to two dozen or fewer, the Journal reported.

Theranos and its chief executive, Elizabeth Holmes, agreed to settle “massive fraud” charges with the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission last month.

Under the SEC settlement, Holmes was forced to relinquish her voting control over the company she founded, return millions of shares to the privately held company and pay a $500,000 penalty.


Holmes also agreed to be barred from serving as an officer or director of a public company for 10 years.

The company did not immediately respond to a request for comment."
 

GagHalfrunt

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As I just said in a YouTube video, "I don't even care about her fraud, I just want to hug her and console her and tell her everything will be ok. COME TO ME ELIZABETH, I'LL TAKE CARE OF YOU" <3

So says every cell block top bitch waiting for her in the showers.
 

rstrohkirch

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I wonder how long they could have strung along if they never tried to go live with the product.

The guy who changed a UPS office address to his apartment should have taken notes. Once he hit $20-30k, he should have started a company and hired some employees. That way after he was caught he would have walked away with a fine and been banned from postal work for 10 years. =]
 
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