Why torture should be a prerequisite to the death penalty - Philly homeless man rapes 8 y/o

[rmrf]

Originally posted by: SampSon
Being in jail is probably better than being homeless in the winter.

not when your in there for raping an 8 year old girl.

 

[krunchykrome]

I'm OK with the death penalty, but torture beforehand is just pointless. Spare me your need for revenge, superheroes.

A group of homeless men need to run a train on you....then write a post about how you feel about revenge.

 

[matt426malm]

We have the eight amendment for a reason, believe me he will be getting some "eye for an eye" if you know what I mean.

 

Originally posted by: rmrf

Originally posted by: SampSon
Being in jail is probably better than being homeless in the winter.

not when your in there for raping an 8 year old girl.

It's warm, and he has food now.
I'm sure he can take some anal rape.

 

[EyeMWing]

Put him in the general prison population. it'll save mad taxpayer money compared to death, and it's completely unappealable. Broomstick rape until his intestines are mush. Even though they're criminals, they aren't all THAT bad and tend to do very, very naughty things to child molestors.

 

[RossGr]

Torture then death...

Good idea, as long as there is the stipulation that if some innoent person is convicted, tortured and killed that the convicting jury be found immediatly guilty of murder and suffer the same fate.

 

[Howard]

Originally posted by: krunchykrome

I'm OK with the death penalty, but torture beforehand is just pointless. Spare me your need for revenge, superheroes.

A group of homeless men need to run a train on you....then write a post about how you feel about revenge.

You need to clarify "running a train on somebody". Even if I was a victim of a horrible crime, death would be enough for me.

 

[Azraele]

How awful. :|

 

[Draknor]

Originally posted by: RossGr
Torture then death...

Good idea, as long as there is the stipulation that if some innoent person is convicted, tortured and killed that the convicting jury be found immediatly guilty of murder and suffer the same fate.

I hate hearing about such heinous crimes as much as the next ATOT'er, but people need to think about consequences rationally instead of emotionally. Would I love to beat his ass? Hell yeah! But state-sanctioned torture? I don't think so. Nor state-sanctioned execution. Not because this monster doesn't deserve it, but because some day, an innocent person is going to found guilty of a crime he or she didn't commit. One innocent life taken away by the state is one too much, even if it means 99 or 999 or 9999 evil, guilty lives are allowed to continue to exist in a jail somewhere.

And if you don't agree with that - think about this: What if your mother / father / wife / husband / gf / bf / sister / brother was wrongly accused of some crime, found guilty, and executed? When you're standing there at the funeral with your friends & family, are you going to say to yourself "Well, even though he/she died, there's a thousand less bad people in jail because they died for crimes they (probably) committed..."

 

[sillymofo]

I think I've said this once, but don't give him the chair, just let him loose in the general population of any prison, and tell all inmates what he's in for.

 

[dpopiz]

I don't agree with the OP title because the homeless man was probably mentally ill, seeing as how almost 100% of homeless people are (according to a huge volume of research that a homeless study project that my mom used to work for got). mentally ill people are already tortured internally every second of their lives.
I think it would be much more contructive to provide conselling for both the homeless man and the 8yo.

 

[Draknor]

Originally posted by: dpopiz
I don't agree with the OP title because the homeless man was probably mentally ill, seeing as how almost 100% of homeless people are (according to a huge volume of research that a homeless study project that my mom used to work for got). mentally ill people are already tortured internally every second of their lives.
I think it would be much more contructive to provide conselling for both the homeless man and the 8yo.

Excellent post! Bravo! :beer:

 

[NightCrawler]

Originally posted by: Draknor

Originally posted by: RossGr
Torture then death...

Good idea, as long as there is the stipulation that if some innoent person is convicted, tortured and killed that the convicting jury be found immediatly guilty of murder and suffer the same fate.

I hate hearing about such heinous crimes as much as the next ATOT'er, but people need to think about consequences rationally instead of emotionally. Would I love to beat his ass? Hell yeah! But state-sanctioned torture? I don't think so. Nor state-sanctioned execution. Not because this monster doesn't deserve it, but because some day, an innocent person is going to found guilty of a crime he or she didn't commit. One innocent life taken away by the state is one too much, even if it means 99 or 999 or 9999 evil, guilty lives are allowed to continue to exist in a jail somewhere.

And if you don't agree with that - think about this: What if your mother / father / wife / husband / gf / bf / sister / brother was wrongly accused of some crime, found guilty, and executed? When you're standing there at the funeral with your friends & family, are you going to say to yourself "Well, even though he/she died, there's a thousand less bad people in jail because they died for crimes they (probably) committed..."

Amen !

 

[Siddhartha]

Why is the concept that a civilized society does not torture or murder people is hard for some people to grasp?

 

[Howard]

Originally posted by: Dr Smooth
Why is the concept that a civilized society does not torture or murder people is hard for some people to grasp?

Who says these people know anything about a civilized society?

If only Heinlein could see this day and age...

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: dpopiz
I don't agree with the OP title because the homeless man was probably mentally ill, seeing as how almost 100% of homeless people are (according to a huge volume of research that a homeless study project that my mom used to work for got). mentally ill people are already tortured internally every second of their lives.
I think it would be much more contructive to provide conselling for both the homeless man and the 8yo.

Being mentally ill doesn't mean you aren't culpable or don't know right from wrong.

It's been proven through research by John Douglas, Dr. Park Dietz and Roy Hazlewood that mentally ill rapists or murderers pretty much always know the difference between right and wrong. Their diminished capacity will be a mitigating circumstance in sentencing, but should not have anything to do with their guilt or innocence.

 

[ShotgunSteven]

Originally posted by: Howard

Originally posted by: Dr Smooth
Why is the concept that a civilized society does not torture or murder people is hard for some people to grasp?

Who says these people know anything about a civilized society?

If only Heinlein could see this day and age...

I was just reading a Heinlein book, in which there is a world where "an eye for an eye" is taken literally. If you were to get drunk, run into someone with your car, and cause their leg to have to be amputated, then you would be staked down to the road, run over, and have an ambulance crew amputate your leg before taking you to the hospital to recover. Crime was low, and drivers were careful.

 

[NightCrawler]

Originally posted by: Mill

Originally posted by: dpopiz
I don't agree with the OP title because the homeless man was probably mentally ill, seeing as how almost 100% of homeless people are (according to a huge volume of research that a homeless study project that my mom used to work for got). mentally ill people are already tortured internally every second of their lives.
I think it would be much more contructive to provide conselling for both the homeless man and the 8yo.

Being mentally ill doesn't mean you aren't culpable or don't know right from wrong.

It's been proven through research by John Douglas, Dr. Park Dietz and Roy Hazlewood that mentally ill rapists or murderers pretty much always know the difference between right and wrong. Their diminished capacity will be a mitigating circumstance in sentencing, but should not have anything to do with their guilt or innocence.

If a person is so sick they believe that a family member is an alien and they have to kill them to save the planet, I really doubt you can say it has anything to do with right or wrong.

 

[NuclearFusi0n]

Amendment VIII

Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: Saulbadguy
Tragic story.



::waits for the e-badasses to flood in::

am I late to the party?

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[Mday]

Originally posted by: aRCeNiTe
My friend (19) and her boyfriend (~20?) had her two sisters sleep over last night along with one of his friends (19-21?)... They woke up the next morning and found out that the friend molested the girls (they're 8 and 10 I believe). He's now in Jail awaiting a hearing.

Bill

hmm, i must have read that wrong, did you mean, "he's now in the hospital recovering from a castration"?

 

[SgtBuddy]

Bah, doing torture right takes too much time. Shoot him. Next!

 

[Woodchuck2000]

Originally posted by: Howard
I'm OK with the death penalty, but torture beforehand is just pointless. Spare me your need for revenge, superheroes.

I concur. In a supposedly civilised society, giving in to bloodlust on the scale of organised torture is almost as tragic as the original crime.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: Woodchuck2000

Originally posted by: Howard
I'm OK with the death penalty, but torture beforehand is just pointless. Spare me your need for revenge, superheroes.

I concur. In a supposedly civilised society, giving in to bloodlust on the scale of organised torture is almost as tragic as the original crime.

I think the same way...I say should a family member want revenge revert back to the 'old west' style where you can handle it in a fair fight or let the law take care of the matter.

The way things get sensationalized so quickly it wouldn't take much for a totally innocent person to be the 'guilty' one in a situation like this.

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