Why Trump Supporters Can’t Admit Who He Really Is
Nothing bonds a group more tightly than a common enemy that is perceived as a mortal threat.www.theatlantic.com
Pretty decent explanation I think worth a read. Doesn't go deep enough to understand the motivation not to see is to avoid becoming conscious of self hate, but provides a brief 'look at the sun'.
This of course what happened in Nazi Germany.
Posted this in another thread earlier today:Yeah it's a good article. It's leaving something out though. Conservatives didn't all the sudden start thinking democrats were Satan because one day Trump stepped up to a podium and said so. They have been conditioned by decades of conservative media to believe this. Trump stepped in and used fear based propaganda to a crowd which was already primed to imbibe it because they had already been imbibing it for years.
Conservatives are their own in-group. Their loyalty is to that in-group. When they say, "my country right or wrong", they really just mean their in-group of Conservatives, right or wrong.Yeah it's a good article. It's leaving something out though. Conservatives didn't all the sudden start thinking democrats were Satan because one day Trump stepped up to a podium and said so. They have been conditioned by decades of conservative media to believe this. Trump stepped in and used fear based propaganda to a crowd which was already primed to imbibe it because they had already been imbibing it for years.
All the other "moral" wedge issues are window dressing for the rubes.Conservatives are their own in-group. Their loyalty is to that in-group. When they say, "my country right or wrong", they really just mean their in-group of Conservatives, right or wrong.
The only thing Fox News did was link disparate groups of Conservatives together with a set of talking points that would cement that group into stone. 30 years ago, Republicans weren't all issued their newest set of beliefs and talking points every hour on the hour.
And their only real talking point, besides tax cuts for the owners, is hatred of liberals.
Conservatives are their own in-group. Their loyalty is to that in-group. When they say, "my country right or wrong", they really just mean their in-group of Conservatives, right or wrong.
The only thing Fox News did was link disparate groups of Conservatives together with a set of talking points that would cement that group into stone. 30 years ago, Republicans weren't all issued their newest set of beliefs and talking points every hour on the hour.
And their only real talking point, besides tax cuts for the owners, is hatred of liberals.
Conservatives hate liberals, and the cities that drive this country. They hate the majority of voters who vote for Democrats. And they hate the Democrat cities that have problems like every fucking city that's ever existed, because Democrats. They only care about themselves and their own group.
The only difference between 2000 conservatives and 2020 conservatives, is now the Epitome of Conservatism, Donald Trump, is in control and has given them permission to air out their hatred of the country, projected onto Democrats. Christ, the fucking 2012 Republican nominee for President is now just a RINO...the defacto "leader" of it 8 years ago is no longer welcome...because he doesn't hate Democrats enough.
I literally stated what Conservative Propaganda did in the quote.Why has conservative hatred of liberals gotten gradually worse since the Reagan years? Your analysis is silent on that issue and makes no attempt to explain why this attitude would change over time.
I'll tell you why. It started with Rush Limbaugh and talk radio, then...
Cryptic, paranoid nonsense.I know who he is and have for over 45 years. There are two Donald Trumps, the one the media has conjured up and marketed for their flock, then the real one. The man, once he crossed the line of beating the one entitled to the office, Ms. Clinton, has to be dealt with. You don't dare cross the witch or her followers. I'm very well aware what has happened and I'm not buying it. Most of you are too, or maybe not, just heads buried in the sand, or refusal to see what is.
Yea, 2 terms of a black POTUS had 'em simmering, even if deep down they understood Obama did a pretty good job that's not the point!. So much shit has deflected off Trump already it's insane but the latest gaffe might be the one that sticks. Oh, don't forget, we get Cohen on Rachel Maddow next Tuesday, might be interesting to say the least.I literally stated what Conservative Propaganda did in the quote.
The only thing Gingrich, Fox News, and TheInternet™ did was provide disparate Conservatives a safespace to come together to form an Ur-Conservative group that exists today as the Modern Republican Party.
Disparate. Key word in that quote. I chose the word specifically.
Small-c conservative groups had all sorts of identifying features that set them apart from other conservative groups. Just a few kinds of independent groups that hadn't really been forged in Liberal hate: Christian Fundamentalists (Evangelicals), White Supremacists, Anti-Semites, Anti-Abortion zealots, classical Fascists, Libertarians™, War Hawks/Jingoists, etc. They all knew who to vote for, but there wasn't constant, daily/hourly/by-the-minute talking points they could all adopt and use to be a monolithic, lock-step in-group of voters.
Gingrich, Fox News, and TheInternet™ provided them with key talking points. You say Fox News, but I'd say Gingrich was the Founding Father of the Ur-Conservative movement. His GoPAC memo from 1990 specifically. I've posted this before.
Language: A Key Mechanism of Control.
This was sent by Gingrich to House Republicans. After this, they all adopted the same language to demonize their political opponents. By demonizing Democrats and liberals, they became a very large in-group (and as you may have suspected, that group isn't holding together because they are self-purging, i.e. RINO classification for anyone who doesn't repeat, lockstep, the talking points they're all trained to repeat).
Here's the memo: https://uh.edu/~englin/rephandout.html
Here's a 1995 article about it, that came out over a year before Fox News. https://fair.org/home/language-a-key-mechanism-of-control/
I'm not trying to say one thing is more important than another, but the right-wing authoritarianism we're dealing with is a top-down hierarchy. Republicans used it to take back the House in '94 and they've been using it since. Fox News and TheInternet™ are just the means by which the official in-group talking points are repeated for right-wing authoritarians to hear and then repeat as good in-group members.
I don't think we disagree on anything substantive here.
I believe that hatred hasn't gotten "worse". Trump, as President, has given right-wing authoritarians the "courage" to say what they've always believed, out loud and proud. The Republican base voter of 2016 was the same Republican base voter of 2012, 2008, 2004, 2000. Trump didn't whisper and dog whistle inherent Republican beliefs. He fucking bullhorned them every chance he got.
I know who he is and have for over 45 years. There are two Donald Trumps, the one the media has conjured up and marketed for their flock, then the real one. The man, once he crossed the line of beating the one entitled to the office, Ms. Clinton, has to be dealt with. You don't dare cross the witch or her followers. I'm very well aware what has happened and I'm not buying it. Most of you are too, or maybe not, just heads buried in the sand, or refusal to see what is.
If you can figure out why his supporters can't admit who he really is, you will definitely be in the running for the Nobel Peace Prize for mental health.Why Trump Supporters Can’t Admit Who He Really Is
Nothing bonds a group more tightly than a common enemy that is perceived as a mortal threat.www.theatlantic.com
Pretty decent explanation I think worth a read. Doesn't go deep enough to understand the motivation not to see is to avoid becoming conscious of self hate, but provides a brief 'look at the sun'.
This of course what happened in Nazi Germany.
Yea, 2 terms of a black POTUS had 'em simmering, even if deep down they understood Obama did a pretty good job that's not the point!. So much shit has deflected off Trump already it's insane but the latest gaffe might be the one that sticks. Oh, don't forget, we get Cohen on Rachel Maddow next Tuesday, might be interesting to say the least.
That is their lot in life, defending the guilty by any means necessary. That's why lawyers are on a lower rung than a shifty used car salesman at a 'buy her, pay here' lot.Michael Cohen is a dirty stinking rat! Not that he had much choice after Trump gave him the kiss of death- "I always liked Michael". Well, even though he barely knew the guy.
I literally stated what Conservative Propaganda did in the quote.
The only thing Gingrich, Fox News, and TheInternet™ did was provide disparate Conservatives a safespace to come together to form an Ur-Conservative group that exists today as the Modern Republican Party.
Disparate. Key word in that quote. I chose the word specifically.
Small-c conservative groups had all sorts of identifying features that set them apart from other conservative groups. Just a few kinds of independent groups that hadn't really been forged in Liberal hate: Christian Fundamentalists (Evangelicals), White Supremacists, Anti-Semites, Anti-Abortion zealots, classical Fascists, Libertarians™, War Hawks/Jingoists, etc. They all knew who to vote for, but there wasn't constant, daily/hourly/by-the-minute talking points they could all adopt and use to be a monolithic, lock-step in-group of voters.
Gingrich, Fox News, and TheInternet™ provided them with key talking points. You say Fox News, but I'd say Gingrich was the Founding Father of the Ur-Conservative movement. His GoPAC memo from 1990 specifically. I've posted this before.
Language: A Key Mechanism of Control.
This was sent by Gingrich to House Republicans. After this, they all adopted the same language to demonize their political opponents. By demonizing Democrats and liberals, they became a very large in-group (and as you may have suspected, that group isn't holding together because they are self-purging, i.e. RINO classification for anyone who doesn't repeat, lockstep, the talking points they're all trained to repeat).
Here's the memo: https://uh.edu/~englin/rephandout.html
Here's a 1995 article about it, that came out over a year before Fox News. https://fair.org/home/language-a-key-mechanism-of-control/
I'm not trying to say one thing is more important than another, but the right-wing authoritarianism we're dealing with is a top-down hierarchy. Republicans used it to take back the House in '94 and they've been using it since. Fox News and TheInternet™ are just the means by which the official in-group talking points are repeated for right-wing authoritarians to hear and then repeat as good in-group members.
I don't think we disagree on anything substantive here.
I believe that hatred hasn't gotten "worse". Trump, as President, has given right-wing authoritarians the "courage" to say what they've always believed, out loud and proud. The Republican base voter of 2016 was the same Republican base voter of 2012, 2008, 2004, 2000. Trump didn't whisper and dog whistle inherent Republican beliefs. He fucking bullhorned them every chance he got.
I said that the media connects disparate groups of (small-c) conservatives and transforms them into (large-c) Conservatives. It provides minute-by-minute talking points to enforce group cohesion and to expunge the group of Thought Criminals - RINOs (such as Rmoney, who went from Republican Presidential Candidate in 2012 to Republican Pariah in 2016-2020). And Trump, coming along at the zenith, or shortly after the zenith, of (large-c) Conservative power, has bullhorned the talking points so that the PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, RIGHTFUL AUTHORITY FIGURE of right-wing authoritarians, provides the RULE OF LAW as a safespace for blatantly disgusting open hatred of Democrats and liberals.I agree that conservative media serves the function and purpose you describe. I disagree that this is the "only" thing it does. You can't sit there day after day, year after year, and listen to propaganda which over-amplifies the worst ideas and behavior of liberals, and tells outright lies in order to demonize them, and not increase your level of antipathy.
These people already had a cultural antipathy towards liberals or they wouldn't have listened in the first place. But there are degrees of it, and given that they seem to literally believe what they're being told, it's nigh impossible that the degree of it has not directly increased as a result. It's like introducing a toxin into your system in low doses every day over a long period of time. It just builds and builds and the affects on your body (or in this case, your mind) just get worse and worse over time.
Why Trump Supporters Can’t Admit Who He Really Is
Nothing bonds a group more tightly than a common enemy that is perceived as a mortal threat.www.theatlantic.com
Pretty decent explanation I think worth a read. Doesn't go deep enough to understand the motivation not to see is to avoid becoming conscious of self hate, but provides a brief 'look at the sun'.
This of course what happened in Nazi Germany.
I know who he is and have for over 45 years. There are two Donald Trumps, the one the media has conjured up and marketed for their flock, then the real one. The man, once he crossed the line of beating the one entitled to the office, Ms. Clinton, has to be dealt with. You don't dare cross the witch or her followers. I'm very well aware what has happened and I'm not buying it. Most of you are too, or maybe not, just heads buried in the sand, or refusal to see what is.
Omfg you were convinced to step onto starship scientology by a fucking teleprompter.
Good job.
Really?, still convinced Trump's many problems/defects are all because Hillary is angry?, wow dude, wow.I know who he is and have for over 45 years. There are two Donald Trumps, the one the media has conjured up and marketed for their flock, then the real one. The man, once he crossed the line of beating the one entitled to the office, Ms. Clinton, has to be dealt with. You don't dare cross the witch or her followers. I'm very well aware what has happened and I'm not buying it. Most of you are too, or maybe not, just heads buried in the sand, or refusal to see what is.
Your correct, but it became far easier for him to become the "rat" once Trump disowned him and let him take the fall for paying off Stormy. Don't care for Cohen, but if he can stab another dagger in the side of the giant orange menace give him the knife.Michael Cohen is a dirty stinking rat! Not that he had much choice after Trump gave him the kiss of death- "I always liked Michael". Well, even though he barely knew the guy.