Why Vista?

[Keysplayr]

I would just like to get a general concensus of the % of users in here want to use Vista, and more importantly, why.

I just read this little gem from the Inquirer. Now it's not the average Inq linq full of speculation and possibilities, its a dude giving his opinion of the new OS.
Link

Things to consider:
How is windows Vista better than Windows XP?
How is windows Vista worse than Windows XP?

Count the ways, and weigh them. What do we come up with?

I am only truly interested in this because it's going to cost me a fair bit of coin to bulk up my system to run Vista. Like a DX10 based video card (I know it's not needed to run Vista, but needed to eventually run games that can only run on Vista.) More memory.

Anyways, I would really like to get some feedback on this.

Vista pros:

Ability to play DX10 games (when they come out and if you have a DX10 based graphics card)
Shiny Aero Glas (Yeah? So?)
64-bit support
Improved memory use



Vista cons:

Reduced gaming performance compared to XP (could change over time and most likely will)
Hardware resource hog. (Can run on 512MB of ram, but not very well. MS recommends 2GB)
DRM infections
MS licensing nightmares


Indifferent:





Keys

 

[coolpurplefan]

I'm not buying it because I need to wait until I get another machine. I need good 'ol WinXP Pro I can depend on.

 

[LittleNemoNES]

Vista Pro: You can install it and run it 30 days at a time without a key >_>

Vista Neg: Reduced game performance, and PB thinks you're hacking if you play online.

 

[Jibboom]

I won't be buying it at all. I'll wait until it's available on MSDNAA so that I can get it for free legally.

I'll be getting partly for directx 10, partly because I can't help but want to play around with a new toy

 

[zodder]

I have a VLK for Vista, so I'll be dual booting it for many months to get familiar with it before it goes company-wide. So at this point, I'm more interested in the business end of it than the gaming/DX10 part of it.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: gersson
Vista Pro: You can install it and run it 30 days at a time without a key >_>

Vista Neg: Reduced game performance, and PB thinks you're hacking if you play online.

I meant legitimate pros gersson.. LOL.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: zodder
I have a VLK for Vista, so I'll be dual booting it for many months to get familiar with it before it goes company-wide. So at this point, I'm more interested in the business end of it than the gaming/DX10 part of it.

Can you elbaorate a little about the business end advantages of Vista? If there are any advantages. Not clear what they might be. -thanks.

 

[Gstanfor]

To be quite honest, I don't believe vista HAS any pros.

Frankly, Linux can do almost everything I need with only 2 exceptions - accounting (with payroll, currently use MYOB) and DirectX gaming.

I believe Vista (helped along by Office 2003 crackdowns and DRM / draconian licensing) will be the product that (finally) ends Microsoft's industry dominance. And that IMO is a good thing.

 

[MikeyLSU]

Originally posted by: Gstanfor
To be quite honest, I don't believe vista HAS any pros.

Frankly, Linux can do almost everything I need with only 2 exceptions - accounting (with payroll, currently use MYOB) and DirectX gaming.

I believe Vista (helped along by Office 2003 crackdowns and DRM / draconian licensing) will be the product that (finally) ends Microsoft's industry dominance. And that IMO is a good thing.

Well in that case, Widows 98 does everything I need too, but it is the things I want(not need)that make a good OS.

Pros:
Aero
Directx 10
has a bunch of small tools that I really enjoy like the search function built into the start menu.
Snipping tool to create an easy print screen
security
and more things like that, small but important things
Takes use of my computer. I have a decent computer, so why not take advantage of that? Normally, my GPU is unused outside of games, now it can give a little extra graphics on the OS too.
Does not really need that much resources, on idle it uses 600-700MB, but Vista releases much of this when you need it for another program.

Cons:
you will need a decent computer with at least a GB of RAM(which I have so it is not really a con for me)
Gaming is slightly down(but yesterday's ATI driver release has closed the gap and actually performs some games better than XP) I expect this to keep getting better.

For me it was a no brainer as long as they can keep up with the gaming performance which they did as of yesterday. Would I upgrade a computer so I can get Vista? No. If your computer is not capable of running Vista well, I would not upgrade to use it, instead just wait till your next computer upgrade(or full purchase) then get Vista.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Gstanfor
To be quite honest, I don't believe vista HAS any pros.

Frankly, Linux can do almost everything I need with only 2 exceptions - accounting (with payroll, currently use MYOB) and DirectX gaming.

I believe Vista (helped along by Office 2003 crackdowns and DRM / draconian licensing) will be the product that (finally) ends Microsoft's industry dominance. And that IMO is a good thing.

Considering that Linux is not anywhere near an option for the majority of us gamers, due to the majority of games being directX based, I'd just as soon leave this comparison to XP vs. Vista at this point. But thanks for the input.

 

[CaiNaM]

i've been around computers since the ti99, and used windows since the first release. this is the very FIRST time I haven't been running the latest version of windows by release... not sure if/when i'll take the plunge. not likely until dx10 games make it mandatory.

another first for me today - i tend to agree with Gstanfor that vista may actually hurt microsoft's OS monopoly (at least current version). it will likely be the slowest widespread adoption for an MS operating system in history - there will be many still running w2k/xp for some time.

the only reprieve for MS is that linux isn't viable as an entertainment platform (this from me who has over a dozen servers running some flavor of 'nix), and outside the coporate world there aren't many pc's which aren't used for gaming.

 

[zodder]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: zodder
I have a VLK for Vista, so I'll be dual booting it for many months to get familiar with it before it goes company-wide. So at this point, I'm more interested in the business end of it than the gaming/DX10 part of it.

Can you elbaorate a little about the business end advantages of Vista? If there are any advantages. Not clear what they might be. -thanks.

I'm mostly concerned with ease of roll out, integration into a domain, security features and how they interact with active directory, and the general compatibility with legacy devices and OSes. Dry stuff, I know, but that's what they pay me for. It's also why I'm obsessed with WoW. All work and no play makes zodder a dull boy.

 

[zodder]

Originally posted by: Gstanfor
To be quite honest, I don't believe vista HAS any pros.

Frankly, Linux can do almost everything I need with only 2 exceptions - accounting (with payroll, currently use MYOB) and DirectX gaming.

I believe Vista (helped along by Office 2003 crackdowns and DRM / draconian licensing) will be the product that (finally) ends Microsoft's industry dominance. And that IMO is a good thing.

Millions of business users would disagree with you. And for you to say that Vista has no pros, shows that this is an emotional response and not a rational one.

 

[GundamSonicZeroX]

I'm gonna wait until I'm able to get 4gigs of RAM at a decent price before I consider Vista. I hate Page/swap file.

 

[SPARTAN VI]

Does Vista make it easy to dual boot WindowXP & Vista?

 

[apoppin]

i get to *wait* a year to decide

i will NOT even consider Vista until i build my new rig [period]

by then the *trend* will be completely clear about Vista and DX10 gaming

 

[Canterwood]

The only reason I'll get vista is out of necessity.

IE: I want to play the latest dx10 games, and future hardware drivers or apps require it.

Other than that, I couldn't give a flying fvck about vista.

 

[Avalon]

I'll likely pick up a copy of home premium in a month when I overhaul my rig to the dark side (Intel)
Unless I get wind that my MSDNAA will be picking up vista in the near future...then I'll wait for that.

 

[JonnyBlaze]

Gaming on Vista seems fine to me. So far I have played r6vegas, oblivion, & fear. I'm going to try Q4 again with ATI's new drivers.

The thing about 2gigs of ram being a con isnt to me as I have had 2 gigs for years now.

Vista runs great on my almost 4 year old box.

 

[aka1nas]

I'm already dual-booting with Vista 64 and XP.

Pros:

Better memory management.

More opportunities for GPU-offloaded apps due to new driver model.

64-bit support that will finally get full and mainstream support.

Cons:

Slightly higher resource requirements than XP. People are getting too worked up about this. The OS uses your RAM better than XP did. RAM that sits around unused is just being wasted.

Signed driver requirements for Vista 64. I won't ever be able to use Rivatuner or many other apps written by individuals that need to access hardware and so require a kernel-mode driver unless they fork out the cash and get a PIC. I am hoping that MS is forced to lower this requirement later in Vista's lifecycle as 64-bit becomes mainstream.

 

[Aikouka]

I'm already running Vista and I wanted to originally install it when I upgraded my machine, but it was delayed . Reason for upgrading at that point was simple... building a DX10 capable machine, why waste the money on XP and then later have to buy Vista?

Overall I'm pretty happy, although installing drivers could be less of a hassle. Also, a lot of software doesn't work correctly if UAC is enabled (because UAC doesn't allow them to save settings and such in their respective directory in Program Files... it tries to stress the use of %APPDATA% (C:\Users\{Username}\AppData\)).

I wondered why I loaded Trillian up after an install and it didn't connect to anything. Then, I went to look for Heroes episode 13 that I downloaded off IRC and it wasn't where it should've been... I realized my setting for adjusting the download drive was reset. I need to look for an option to not revert to the original shadow copy. Also, when running some Realtek driver install, it sat there asking if I really wanted to install an unsigned driver. I kept hitting yes because the prompt kept coming up. Eventually I hit no and then it asked me if I wanted to run it specially since the driver install failed. Then Installshield reported "You must have Vista/Vista64 to run this package." How annoying . I ended up installing a different driver and thankfully it includes digital output so I can use my speakers.

Gaming-wise, I do notice slower performance, but if I'm already fairly fast, slower than that isn't too bad :laugh:. I think I saw a min of less than 30FPS in WoW when staring at A'dal (a very bright glowing thingy) at 1680x1050.

 

[SPARTAN VI]

Yeesh and the ^^ story.

Getting a very sloppy vibe from Vista thus far. I think I'll just wait until there's ample driver support. I'll know this when there are less complaints on the boards.

 

[Painman]

Originally posted by: Canterwood
The only reason I'll get vista is out of necessity.

IE: I want to play the latest dx10 games, and future hardware drivers or apps require it.

Other than that, I couldn't give a flying fvck about vista.

My thoughts exactly, plus all of the little things it's "breaking" as exemplified by Aikouka. I don't want the headaches. I'll dive in later when the water ain't so muddy.

 

[Aikouka]

Oh, don't get me wrong, I like Vista. I could easily throw my 750GB HDD back in (still has the old XP install on it) and go back, but I don't want to. I actually like the Aero interface and I was starkly opposed to Luna back with XP. Aero simply looks much more professional and like an antithesis to a Mac (being black instead of white).

EDIT: One thing I forgot to mention.. has anyone noticed that Vista takes FOREVER to boot? I think this may only occur when you make a hardware change (as that's the only time I've had to restart), but when doing so, Vista sits at a black screen for about 1-2 minutes doing nothing (or at least I think it's doing nothing).

 

[nullpointerus]

Originally posted by: Aikouka
EDIT: One thing I forgot to mention.. has anyone noticed that Vista takes FOREVER to boot? I think this may only occur when you make a hardware change (as that's the only time I've had to restart), but when doing so, Vista sits at a black screen for about 1-2 minutes doing nothing (or at least I think it's doing nothing).

Something's wrong with your configuration. Somewhere in the performance options -- near the performance rating? -- there's a performance troubleshooter that can show you which things are causing slow boot-up times. (I wish I could be more specific, but I deleted my Vista RC2 partition a while ago.) Most likely there's some USB driver that's not playing well with Vista.