Why Vista?

[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: jjzelinski
Does anyone know if Universities in general will be selling Vista to students and faculty for a discount price? The University of Texas is distributing an "Enterprise" edition, which I'm not sure I'm interested in...

Most universities do. Enterprise you can install on all of your computers that you yourself own (School Desktop and School Tablet for instance).

If you are a member of CS, EE, or CE school, than a lot of times you can get it for free. Check out the MSDNAA (Academic Alliance) for your school. It asks you to log in after that, but there is loads of free software.

-Kevin

 

[Cookie Monster]

Originally posted by: Zebo

i just don't want *buggy fluff* in my life ... at least right now ... perhaps later,

Must be single ..anyway that's all it is! Fluff. I read the supposed 100 advantages over at Microsoft's Vista web site and as far as I can tell all 100 advantages fall into one of three categories I have no need for "improvement" upon in the first place.

a) Security (never had virus or malware and I don't even use XP security features but third party stuff on w2k)

b) Automation features - like backups, favorite programs mem, etc (hate automation with a passion always doing exactly what and when I don't want it to do)

c) Prettier Looks (subjective and resource hogging)

QFT. Agree with zebo right here.

If you want pretti looks of Vista, just download the Vista skins for XP. Its not that hard.

 

[JackBurton]

For the record, I'm looking forward to the new features of Vista. I've been testing it for awhile now with the Vista Business ever since it came out and it is really nice. I just have to get used to where everything is now though.

The people arguing against Vista I'm sure were the same people that argued against XP when it came out with its "activation." Turns out, I prefer XP over 2000. But to each his own. If someone likes 2000 over XP, great, knock yourself out. Same goes for Vista. Some people don't care for the extra features in Vista, but I do. That's why I'm buying it.

 

[tornadog]

If I could I would never upgrade to vista.. I am running XP MCE2005 with the Vista transformation pack and thats really all I need

 

[xtknight]

I don't want to use it, but I'm not a gamer either (well STALKER or RTCW2 may change that, watch out!) I would stick with XP64 for gaming if I gamed, personally. It seems a little lighter weight and faster than XP32 with decent driver support.

I really don't appreciate that MS changes the user interface every time thinking the new one is somehow better. I don't think I'll ever be able to get used to the new Explorer. And (coupled with lack of driver support), right now I see no reason at all to go through the trouble. Vista has already been shown to cripple CPU/memory performance in gaming according to 3DMark, and even if it doesn't show up in every real world program, I'm not a person who appreciates degraded performance (I'm anal about it, deal with it). I probably will want to upgrade from XP sooner or later, but it won't be until Vista's first service pack (and the point at which drivers are much more plentiful). I've tried the 64-bit RTM version and I appreciate the better memory management (at least over XP), but it's not that useful to me since I already use an OS that can manage memory well enough. Font rendering is not up to par yet which is a huge minus for me as 90% of my time is comprised of reading or writing text on the PC. I have no doubt due to the obfuscation of all the components in the operating system (DRM, kernel protection and what not) that it will be harder to fix than XP, and as somebody who likes to break and fix stuff to learn, that's another big minus for me. It's like a car manufacturer who has screwed something in so tight you can no longer get it off yourself, you have to take it to a shop. If there were more advantages in it for me I wouldn't mind so much, but if they do exist for me now I can not see them clearly.

Of course, I'm not going to speak on behalf of the general population which isn't nearly as crazy as I am. Vista is great for those who find an alternate OS too difficult to use yet want increased security. And if they upgrade, good for them, it's less spam/spyware/viruses/whatever going around in the world. They can be happy with Aero, I'll be happy with Beryl or XGL/Compiz.

 

[EarthwormJim]

I think Vista's main problem is Windows XP. XP was Microsoft's best Windows for home users ever.

A shiny new interface and the other smaller features (disregarding DX10 for now), don't really seem to warrant the $200+ price.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Aikouka

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
I can read, now you are going to attack me??

If you dance with the devil, prepare to get burnt.

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
I still fail to see where Apoppin says "You are a Viral Marketer".

Read this quote I pasted below. In fact, he refers to everyone who posted positive remarks as "MS viral *seeds*". I don't take kindly to my reporting of facts as being attempts to virally push Vista. This thread was created to put forth the Good, the Bad and the Ugly and damnit, I've done all three (except maybe the ugly... since I haven't really found anything I'd consider ugly).

Originally posted by: apoppin
i'm giving it some time before i pay to be a beta tester for MS and when the *real forum people* that i *trust* - not MS viral *seeds* giving a knee-jerk thumbsup - on these forum report it is *mature* and relativly *fixed*, i will buy it ...

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
Additionally I don't believe anyone said, including him, that Vista has ONLY aesthetic improvements. I believe, if I am reading it correctly, he said that he felt that despite the numerous changes under the hood, he still feels that Aesthetics were the main thing that changed.

I am trying to put forth that Vista isn't just XP + Aero. The "fluff" that he tries to put forth is Aero and supposedly that they could've done the same thing to XP. He even goes as far as to say, "and *security* is no advantage with Vista [yet]." Do I even need to explain how this is a load of horse hockey? I could see if you were using that Vista meant for 3rd World countries .

My question is this... for those bickering, whining and moaning over Vista having DRM embedded.. have you ran into anything that you've done with Vista (if you've even used it) where DRM hampered your experience? If not, do you ever expect it to? If not, why are you complaining then?

you are the *only one* that fails to read ... *nowhere* do i say *you* or *anyone else* HERE is a MS *viral marketeer* ...

it's an *Aikouka Strawman* who *sets himself up* to be *indignant* ...

In fact, he refers to everyone who posted positive remarks as "MS viral *seeds*".

lie! and BS ... i did NOT say that
:thumbsdown:

Despite whaty i *did not say* - keep in mind that MS employed AEG long before nvidia and they are the *original viral marketeers*

i do speak of people who i *trust* ... and you are certainly not one of them as you are one of the biggest hype-swallower here.

and thanks *again* for stuffing more Words into my mouth ... re: security and what i call *fluff*

i am not guilty of the BS you accuse me of

and still you fail to realize that MS hyped the hell outta WinME exactly the same way they are now hyping Vista

i *am saying* for Vista ... the jury is still *out*

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: EarthwormJim
I think Vista's main problem is Windows XP. XP was Microsoft's best Windows for home users ever.

A shiny new interface and the other smaller features (disregarding DX10 for now), don't really seem to warrant the $200+ price.

I think you said it well. The only way to get people to buy a new OS over XP, is to not enable DX10 on XP and make it a Vista only thing, then hype DX10 til the cows come home.. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't it possible to add DX10 to XP? Or does it require something that only Vista has?

 

[evolucion8]

Look here what John Carmack thinks about Windows Vista. Probably after this some people can stop thinking that DX10 is the main reason to upgrade to Vista right now, it will be worthy in the future. http://www.dailytech.com/John+Carmack+S...Vista+Xbox+360+PS3+Wii/article5665.htm

On the topic of DX10, Carmack said that there?s nothing at the moment motivating him to move to the new API just yet for Quake Wars, citing that he?s quite satisfied with DX9 and the Xbox 360. ?DX9 is really quite a good API level ? Microsoft has done a very, very good job of sensibly evolving it at each step--they?re not worried about breaking backwards compatibility--and it?s a pretty clean API,? he said. ?I especially like the work I?m doing on the 360, and it?s probably the best graphics API as far as a sensibly designed thing that I?ve worked with.?

Gamers often look to Carmack to tell the fortunes of PC gaming hardware. His opinions on hardware can sway hardcore gamers to purchase one hardware choice over another. Those in awe of the potential offered by DX10 may want to hold off on that shiny graphics card purchase, as Carmack says that there isn?t a huge need for new hardware just yet, as current hardware is more than adequate. ?All the high-end video cards right now -- video cards across the board --are great nowadays,? he said. ?Personally, I wouldn?t jump at something like DX10 right now. I would let things settle out a little bit and wait until there?s a really strong need for it.?

Those wishing to take the plunge into DX10 will also have to do so while upgrading to Windows Vista. Carmack, however, isn?t all that excited about upgrading to the new OS: ?We only have a couple of people running Vista at our company. It?s again, one of those things that there is no strong pull for us to go there. If anything, it?s going to be reluctantly like, ?Well, a lot of the market is there, so we?ll move to Vista.??

Carmack then said that he?s quite satisfied with Windows XP, going as far to say that Microsoft is ?artificially? forcing gamers to move to Windows Vista for DX10. ?Nothing is going to help a new game by going to a new operating system. There were some clear wins going from Windows 95 to Windows XP for games, but there really aren?t any for Vista. They?re artificially doing that by tying DX10 so close it, which is really nothing about the OS ... They?re really grasping at straws for reasons to upgrade the operating system. I suspect I could run XP for a great many more years without having a problem with it,? he said.

Simply interesting. I guess that I will hold on for a while til all settles.

 

[SickBeast]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: EarthwormJim
I think Vista's main problem is Windows XP. XP was Microsoft's best Windows for home users ever.

A shiny new interface and the other smaller features (disregarding DX10 for now), don't really seem to warrant the $200+ price.

I think you said it well. The only way to get people to buy a new OS over XP, is to not enable DX10 on XP and make it a Vista only thing, then hype DX10 til the cows come home.. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't it possible to add DX10 to XP? Or does it require something that only Vista has?

It's an API, like OpenGL. It can be ported to XP, but like you said, it's Vista's main selling point aside from Aero.

 

[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: SickBeast

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: EarthwormJim
I think Vista's main problem is Windows XP. XP was Microsoft's best Windows for home users ever.

A shiny new interface and the other smaller features (disregarding DX10 for now), don't really seem to warrant the $200+ price.

I think you said it well. The only way to get people to buy a new OS over XP, is to not enable DX10 on XP and make it a Vista only thing, then hype DX10 til the cows come home.. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't it possible to add DX10 to XP? Or does it require something that only Vista has?

It's an API, like OpenGL. It can be ported to XP, but like you said, it's Vista's main selling point aside from Aero.

THere is a reason they cannot port it to XP. Well cannot port it easily IIRC. There is something else outside of the Vista selling point strategy...I'll have to try and find an article on it unless someone else can elaborate.

-Kevin

 

[SickBeast]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

Originally posted by: SickBeast

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: EarthwormJim
I think Vista's main problem is Windows XP. XP was Microsoft's best Windows for home users ever.

A shiny new interface and the other smaller features (disregarding DX10 for now), don't really seem to warrant the $200+ price.

I think you said it well. The only way to get people to buy a new OS over XP, is to not enable DX10 on XP and make it a Vista only thing, then hype DX10 til the cows come home.. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't it possible to add DX10 to XP? Or does it require something that only Vista has?

It's an API, like OpenGL. It can be ported to XP, but like you said, it's Vista's main selling point aside from Aero.

THere is a reason they cannot port it to XP. Well cannot port it easily IIRC. There is something else outside of the Vista selling point strategy...I'll have to try and find an article on it unless someone else can elaborate.

-Kevin

I think it's nuts that people are forced to buy Vista to play the newest games. OpenGL has always been able to do anything that DirectX can do, plus it's open source and available for Linux and the Mac. Carmack needs to teach the world how to work with a real API!

DirectX has been unnecessary from the outset. It's an example of monapolistic behavior by Microsoft. :thumbsdown:

Just for the record I would use Linux exclusively if all games were OpenGL.

 

[Zenoth]

I am happy with XP, and I will wait a few months for Vista. That's it.

 

[Gamingphreek]

Well I just read the AT review on Vista. I am actually torn. I like the refinements they did to the code and the drivers, but I feel that it was too rushed. Manufacturers haven't even had time to rewrite their drivers yet. In that time overlap (In which performance suffers), why couldn't Microsoft have included WinFS (Arguably the single largest feature that Vista was supposed to include).

While I want to upgrade to Vista Home Premium x64- at this point, it truly and honestly just doesn't seem practical. Everything just seems to be a work in progress, not streamlined like the transition from ME/2000 -> XP.

I might, as soon as I get enough money for a HW Raid Controller make the switch into Linux Permanently. Everything just works. There is no need to constantly update drivers. Granted it is quite a bit more advanced, it just seems much more refined.

-Kevin

 

[josh6079]

I've been building PC's for average families since 1996, been involved in introducing people to PC's since 1999 in an Online Access Centre (Internet Cafe with training & education focus), and been mucking with computers in general since the original calculator style keyboard Commodore PET...

And you still didn't know what good AF looked like.

:laugh:

Vista seems like it will be good and yes XP is more comfortable with everyone and popular. But these kind of changes happen this way. What else can you expect?

 

[Aikouka]

Haha, Apoppin, you're funny... let me show you why.

Originally posted by: apoppin
it's an *Aikouka Strawman* who *sets himself up* to be *indignant* ...

In fact, he refers to everyone who posted positive remarks as "MS viral *seeds*".

lie! and BS ... i did NOT say that
:thumbsdown:

So you really didn't huh? Then what's this that I've quoted at least 2 times:

Originally posted by: apoppin
i'm giving it some time before i pay to be a beta tester for MS and when the *real forum people* that i *trust* - not MS viral *seeds* giving a knee-jerk thumbsup - on these forum report it is *mature* and relativly *fixed*, i will buy it ...

Nice try, but let's see you attempt to argue your way out of this one.

Originally posted by: apoppin
i do speak of people who i *trust* ... and you are certainly not one of them as you are one of the biggest hype-swallower here.

I like this one too. As I usually just lurk in Video and read the threads about nVidia and ATi, since they usually contain lots of hate and trolling... aka fun stuff to read. Now I've seen people like Wreckage and Gstanfor get slapped around for being an "nvidiot" as I've seen the term widely used. But you, my friend, are quite possibly one of the biggest ATi fanboys that I've seen in the threads. You never saw a single piece of evidence that stated that R600 would be better than G80 (or vice versa), yet you argued that it would based on some intangible evidence . I guess the saying is true then... takes one to know one .

Also, I went with Vista, because that was part of my original plan. You see, it made perfect sense for me to buy Vista when it was coming out the same time as G80 (which I chose because of prior discomfort from ATi products, although my laptop does have an M200 ATi IGP in it). Unfortunately, it didn't happen that way as Vista was pushed back. But I had the hardware to run it... I have the DirectX 10-capable card... why not just install it now. The reports from public testers showed that the number of bugs was quite insubstantial and that the OS was definitely better off than some prior bug-ridden releases. With this, I decided to go for it anyway, and you know what, I'm happy with it. I'm actually having more issues on my MCE 2005 machine than anything .

And last (but most certainly not least), I wish you'd join that jury .

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Aikouka
Haha, Apoppin, you're funny... let me show you why.

Originally posted by: apoppin
it's an *Aikouka Strawman* who *sets himself up* to be *indignant* ...

In fact, he refers to everyone who posted positive remarks as "MS viral *seeds*".

lie! and BS ... i did NOT say that
:thumbsdown:

So you really didn't huh? Then what's this that I've quoted at least 2 times:

Originally posted by: apoppin
i'm giving it some time before i pay to be a beta tester for MS and when the *real forum people* that i *trust* - not MS viral *seeds* giving a knee-jerk thumbsup - on these forum report it is *mature* and relativly *fixed*, i will buy it ...

Nice try, but let's see you attempt to argue your way out of this one.

Originally posted by: apoppin
i do speak of people who i *trust* ... and you are certainly not one of them as you are one of the biggest hype-swallower here.

I like this one too. As I usually just lurk in Video and read the threads about nVidia and ATi, since they usually contain lots of hate and trolling... aka fun stuff to read. Now I've seen people like Wreckage and Gstanfor get slapped around for being an "nvidiot" as I've seen the term widely used. But you, my friend, are quite possibly one of the biggest ATi fanboys that I've seen in the threads. You never saw a single piece of evidence that stated that R600 would be better than G80 (or vice versa), yet you argued that it would based on some intangible evidence . I guess the saying is true then... takes one to know one .

Also, I went with Vista, because that was part of my original plan. You see, it made perfect sense for me to buy Vista when it was coming out the same time as G80 (which I chose because of prior discomfort from ATi products, although my laptop does have an M200 ATi IGP in it). Unfortunately, it didn't happen that way as Vista was pushed back. But I had the hardware to run it... I have the DirectX 10-capable card... why not just install it now. The reports from public testers showed that the number of bugs was quite insubstantial and that the OS was definitely better off than some prior bug-ridden releases. With this, I decided to go for it anyway, and you know what, I'm happy with it. I'm actually having more issues on my MCE 2005 machine than anything .

And last (but most certainly not least), I wish you'd join that jury .

Would you mind getting your beelzebub tail out of this thread? Clearly you are just here to do battle for some reason. If you remain here, your "retard" statement will be forwarded to the mods. Try to be a little more civil, and a lot less argumentative to your fellow AT members. We are just trying to understand the various reasons, to, or not to upgrade from XP to Vista. Thats all. No ego trips needed. -Thanks in advance.

@ Apoppin, Josh, anyone else: Please ignore further posts from Aikouka

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: SickBeast

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: EarthwormJim
I think Vista's main problem is Windows XP. XP was Microsoft's best Windows for home users ever.

A shiny new interface and the other smaller features (disregarding DX10 for now), don't really seem to warrant the $200+ price.

I think you said it well. The only way to get people to buy a new OS over XP, is to not enable DX10 on XP and make it a Vista only thing, then hype DX10 til the cows come home.. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't it possible to add DX10 to XP? Or does it require something that only Vista has?

It's an API, like OpenGL. It can be ported to XP, but like you said, it's Vista's main selling point aside from Aero.

Yeah, that makes sense. I have little doubt that MS wouldn't ever release a DX10 patch for XP, but I wonder if anyone else could without getting their butts sued off.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Hey Keys old buddy There was a good thread about Vista here Has alot of user feedback about it. Some flaming too of course.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Aikouka
Haha, Apoppin, you're funny... let me show you why.

Originally posted by: apoppin
it's an *Aikouka Strawman* who *sets himself up* to be *indignant* ...

In fact, he refers to everyone who posted positive remarks as "MS viral *seeds*".

lie! and BS ... i did NOT say that
:thumbsdown:

So you really didn't huh? Then what's this that I've quoted at least 2 times:

Originally posted by: apoppin
i'm giving it some time before i pay to be a beta tester for MS and when the *real forum people* that i *trust* - not MS viral *seeds* giving a knee-jerk thumbsup - on these forum report it is *mature* and relativly *fixed*, i will buy it ...

Nice try, but let's see you attempt to argue your way out of this one.

Why should i? .. you can't read or comprehend worth a damn ...*everyone else* get it

Originally posted by: apoppin
i do speak of people who i *trust* ... and you are certainly not one of them as you are one of the biggest hype-swallower here.

I like this one too. As I usually just lurk in Video and read the threads about nVidia and ATi, since they usually contain lots of hate and trolling... aka fun stuff to read. Now I've seen people like Wreckage and Gstanfor get slapped around for being an "nvidiot" as I've seen the term widely used. But you, my friend, are quite possibly one of the biggest ATi fanboys that I've seen in the threads. You never saw a single piece of evidence that stated that R600 would be better than G80 (or vice versa), yet you argued that it would based on some intangible evidence . I guess the saying is true then... takes one to know one .

Also, I went with Vista, because that was part of my original plan. You see, it made perfect sense for me to buy Vista when it was coming out the same time as G80 (which I chose because of prior discomfort from ATi products, although my laptop does have an M200 ATi IGP in it). Unfortunately, it didn't happen that way as Vista was pushed back. But I had the hardware to run it... I have the DirectX 10-capable card... why not just install it now. The reports from public testers showed that the number of bugs was quite insubstantial and that the OS was definitely better off than some prior bug-ridden releases. With this, I decided to go for it anyway, and you know what, I'm happy with it. I'm actually having more issues on my MCE 2005 machine than anything .

And last (but most certainly not least), I wish you'd join that jury .[/quote]
i see so you now decided to twist my words and add to the "lots of hate and trolling... " stuff you find "fun stuff to read".
:thumbsdown:

what makes *perfect sense* to you is *ridiculous* to others
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EDIT

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Would you mind getting your beelzebub tail out of this thread? Clearly you are just here to do battle for some reason. If you remain here, your "retard" statement will be forwarded to the mods. Try to be a little more civil, and a lot less argumentative to your fellow AT members. We are just trying to understand the various reasons, to, or not to upgrade from XP to Vista. Thats all. No ego trips needed. -Thanks in advance.

@ Apoppin, Josh, anyone else: Please ignore further posts from Aikouka

i'm really sorry, Keys ... i replied to this guy before i saw your post ... i will ignore him as the rest of the guys here === the ones i *respect* and *trust* DO understand === are aware of what i *mean*

XP or Win2K is *good enough* for me ... otoh ... Vista ... doesn't bring enough ... *now* ... changes of real substance ... or advantages ... for me to "upgrade'

next year .. who knows? ... maybe ... *depends*

 

[Aikouka]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Clearly you are just here to do battle for some reason.

As it so obviously seems, the only two people who actually have used Vista in this thread and the people who can give honest remarks about how well Vista works are myself and Mem. The rest of you are merely guessing based on what you've read. If you don't like what I put forth, fine, but it's what my experience has been so far in Vista.

Sorry if you don't like the fact that I got irked when Apoppin merely passed my experiences off as "MS viral *seeds*" as he so nicely put it. Not to mention, he referred to every good comment made in this thread about Vista as such, simply because it doesn't match his opinion on what he's read. If he actually took what I said, and made counterpoints that were viable, I would've been fine with it, but to take the low stance and simply say "Oh, he's viral, because he actually likes it!" just pisses me off. It's grade school politics in the making and I won't stand for such crap.

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
If you remain here, your "retard" statement will be forwarded to the mods.

Forward them what? The fact that I said Apoppin said something, he said he didn't and I had to post the second time with yet another quote of it that he did? It's not my fault he's a literal Mr. Magoo and cannot remember what he said. In this thread, I've been labeled as a viral marketer (which heck, if I'm supposed to be getting paid to post, I wanna know who I talk to for my check :Q) and a liar. Sure, maybe I should have just ignored it, but that's not how I am... I let the truth be known.

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Try to be a little more civil, and a lot less argumentative to your fellow AT members.

Excuse me, but as I mentioned above, my own accreditation was immediately called into question in quite a harsh manner as being viral. Like I said, I do not appreciate such comments. If anyone should be slammed for being civil, it's Apoppin for his flagrant remarks based on nothing but people disagreeing with his opinion! If I'm wrong in such a statement, then I'd prefer him to tell me why he simply passed off every decent thing said prior to his original post as merely viral marketing.

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
We are just trying to understand the various reasons, to, or not to upgrade from XP to Vista.

Like I said before, I mentioned hardships/annoyances that I have had and reasons that I thought it was a viable upgrade. But in the end, the phrase "to each his own" comes into play here. I put forth my own experiences, whether they were good or bad, I did not sugar coat a single thing (I even listed the incredibly long boot times with exact wording from the Event Viewer). You can take my own words and apply them to your situation in whatever way you like, but yet again I will say what bothers me to no end is someone being ignorant and passing off a completely viable and truthful set of statements as "paid advertising."

 

[apoppin]

if you are looking for a *fight* you can easily find one and it is easy to *read into* someone's words what you want them to say.

i DO have experience with RC2 ... i have been following the Vista development --for years --with real interest

and my *conclusion* is that i am personally *underwhelmed* ... *nothing new in Vista* is *needed* for me at this time ... it is *fluff* for my purposes and i am sticking with Win2K for now even though i also have a retail unactivated copy of XP

i only stated that MS does employ viral marketing but i NEVER *accused* *anyone here* of being one [period]

and i no longer feel the need to defend myself from *unreasonable* and hate-motivated attacks --especially over remarks i did not make.

edited

 

[nullpointerus]

Aikouka, I think what apoppin and keys are trying to say is that this thread is primarily for lots of people to list their opinions and perceptions of Vista, not for a few people to debate whether Vista is a worthwhile upgrade.

 

[josh6079]

@ Apoppin, Josh, anyone else: Please ignore further posts from Aikouka

I never talked to Aikouka. My quote was from someone else.

 

[Aikouka]

Originally posted by: nullpointerus
Aikouka, I think what apoppin and keys are trying to say is that this thread is primarily for lots of people to list their opinions and perceptions of Vista, not for a few people to debate whether Vista is a worthwhile upgrade.

Here's the beginning of the original post:

"I would just like to get a general concensus of the % of users in here want to use Vista, and more importantly, why."

Although "general consensus" is malformed English and there's a missing word, I take it to mean giving a well thought-out set of pros and cons, which keys does in his original post. For me, mine wasn't as much of a list, but I did include what I saw as positive aspects and my own personal annoyances and negative aspects of the OS.

One thing that bothers me is when people take FUD and run with it like they're informed. The whole "DRM infested *fluff*" comment bothers me in that aspect. Has anyone been affected by Vista DRM? Personally, I cannot be because I already have an HDCP-compliant video card and two HDCP-compliant LCDs connected via DVI (the point of buying those wasn't HDCP either), but that's beside the point. People scream bloody murder about the evils of Vista's DRM... but does it even affect them? The DRM is set to work with HD-DVD and Blu-Ray discs. How many of you actually have one of those drives in your PC? I mean, I don't understand what the big deal is if it will probably never affect you.

Originally posted by: apoppin
i only stated that MS does employ viral marketing but i NEVER *accused* *anyone here* of being one [period]

Now, I simply want you to understand what bothered me, so I will translate what your statement meant to me. Hopefully this will clear it up for you since you obviously see no issue with it, but I do.

"i'm giving it some time before i pay to be a beta tester for MS and when the *real forum people* that i *trust* - not MS viral *seeds* giving a knee-jerk thumbsup - on these forum report it is *mature* and relativly *fixed*, i will buy it ..."

That's the statement that I had a problem with.

Apoppin: "when the *real forum people* that i *trust*... on these forum report it is *mature* and relativly *fixed*, i will buy it ..."
Me: anyone who posted before here with a good opinion isn't valid enough for me and I only sheepishly follow a couple people's word.

Apoppin: " - not MS viral *seeds* giving a knee-jerk thumbsup"
Me: anyone who wasn't part of the prior group mentioned ("*real forum people* that i *trust*") is a "MS viral *seed(s)*" that simply rates it great.

The rest of it is pretty self-explanatory. Now do you see what I'm talking about? I could see if you made said remark about someone who literally said something along the lines of, "Vista is super awesome, I can do so much more than before and OMG I am so safe from evil virii and hackers!" Now if someone made that remark, either they need to share what they've been smokin' or there's some evil afoot.