I know you’re resorting to this because you have no answer and you know I’m right, but I promise you admitting it is less embarrassing than whatever you’re doing here.omg you piss your self every night!!!! we have proof since you didnt provide the proof of opposite.
like i said you want to be one of those peps who say prove it or doesnt exist. so tell me is there only one type of voting fraud? is it always known what fraud is happening when it is happening or does sometimes it take years for it to come to light? YUPPPP keep preaching that bs that is all that comes out you peps mouths. "prove or doesnt exist" OK bed wetter maybe you can provide the proof that i asked you for.. when do you think you will expect that data.. bwahahI know you’re resorting to this because you have no answer and you know I’m right, but I promise you admitting it is less embarrassing than whatever you’re doing here.
I just gave you a blueprint to show us that you’re totally right and voter impersonation is significant. When can we expect the data?
because you can use a voter ID as one of the million required documents to get a license what does that have to do with the price of tea in china? does this seem like similar requirements for voting? just blowing hot air?
What to bring with you when applying for a Texas Driver License or Identification Card To be issued a non-commercial driver license (DL) or identification card (ID) in the state of Texas, you must bring the following documentation to your local driver license office:
1. Application for an Original Texas Driver License or Identification Card
2. Proof of U.S. Citizenship or Evidence of Lawful Presence
3. Proof of Residency
4. Proof of Identity, and
5. Proof of Social Security Number
6. Proof of Insurance for each vehicle you own
7. Evidence of Texas Vehicle Registration for each vehicle you own (New residents who are surrendering an out-of-state driver license only)
There is only one type voter ID prevents - voter impersonation. As far as it taking years to come to light, conservatives have been claiming it for decades now. Are you saying decades isn’t enough time for your research? How much more time do you need?like i said you want to be one of those peps who say prove it or doesnt exist. so tell me is there only one type of voting fraud? is it always known what fraud is happening when it is happening or does sometimes it take years for it to come to light? YUPPPP keep preaching that bs that is all that comes out you peps mouths. "prove or doesnt exist" OK bed wetter maybe you can provide the proof that i asked you for.. when do you think you will expect that data.. bwahah
id bet my life that every major election on earth has had fraud, if it was someone counting ballets or casting them im 100% sure it happened in every election you want to pretend it has never happened or give one of those made up numbers like .00000000000000000007% right...
Maybe you should read what I was responding to, which had to do with the argument that the purpose of and ID at the polls, is for verification of residency.. (number 3 in your list). It has everything to do with that argument, as it is one of the documents that can be used to prove residency for that ID. How is an ID proof of residency, if the very step that allows you to vote in the first place (voter registration) does that and can be used to show residency to get that ID?
Which of the driver's license requirements do you believe is not a requirement to vote? Of course you can't vote if you just have lawful Presence, you have to be a US Citizen (#2), and 6-7 are irrelevant for obvious reasons.
you already proved my point, i dont have to do any research or prove any facts voter fraud 100% exists, i don't give any shits what % or proving what %,,, not sure what you think you would gain from that fact.There is only one type voter ID prevents - voter impersonation. As far as it taking years to come to light, conservatives have been claiming it for decades now. Are you saying decades isn’t enough time for your research? How much more time do you need?
Come on, I just told you exactly how to totally own me. What’s the hold up? If you have evidence I’m a bedwetter you can include that at the same time - then you’ll really show me! Think of how sad I will be and use that as motivation.
Why don’t you care what the percentage is? That seems awfully silly.you already proved my point, i dont have to do any research or prove any facts voter fraud 100% exists, i don't give any shits what % or proving what %,,, not sure what you think you would gain from that fact.
So why does one have to prove a crime has been committed before passing a law to prevent it? Is it not the purpose of a regulation or law to *prevent* a crime or improper event from occurring in the first place?There is only one type voter ID prevents - voter impersonation. As far as it taking years to come to light, conservatives have been claiming it for decades now. Are you saying decades isn’t enough time for your research? How much more time do you need?
Come on, I just told you exactly how to totally own me. What’s the hold up? If you have evidence I’m a bedwetter you can include that at the same time - then you’ll really show me! Think of how sad I will be and use that as motivation.
You don’t have to PROVE it, but it is common sense that passing laws and regulations that cost money and burden people should only be done when there’s reason to believe that society is getting something of value in exchange. We COULD pass a law that every American must purchase and maintain an anti-Bigfoot defense system for their home, but it’s probably wise to only do so if Bigfoot attacks become common. Right?So why does one have to prove a crime has been committed before passing a law to prevent it? Is it not the purpose of a regulation or law to *prevent* a crime or improper event from occurring in the first place?
WOW, way to manipulate and twist the facts.. The argument is that ID is NOT needed at the polls to cast your vote. No where did I, or anyone else say ID (proof of who you are) is not needed at all in the voting process. Why lie? Where did I act like or even remotely imply you can take just one item (voter ID card) into the DOL and they will issue an ID? How the hell did you come of with that twisted logic? We are talking about what the requirements are to vote, not about what you can and can't take into the DOL to get your license. Requirements are not the same as acceptable documentation (items that can be used to full fill/prove the requirements) So, again, Which of the driver's license requirements do you believe is not a requirement to vote? how about you answer that question.you are arguing that ID should not be needed, then you say all the requirements for drivers license are same as voting.. LULZ you cant use the voter card to get ID you have to have A whole list of items. you act like you can just take that one item for your ID and they will issue you one.
Laws have already been passed to prevent it. Identification is already required to vote and significant legal penalties are applied for those who try and fake them.So why does one have to prove a crime has been committed before passing a law to prevent it? Is it not the purpose of a regulation or law to *prevent* a crime or improper event from occurring in the first place?
Maybe you can give us links to other types of voting fraud that has succeeded in changing the final results of an election...I’ll be waiting.like i said you want to be one of those peps who say prove it or doesnt exist. so tell me is there only one type of voting fraud? is it always known what fraud is happening when it is happening or does sometimes it take years for it to come to light? YUPPPP keep preaching that bs that is all that comes out you peps mouths. "prove or doesnt exist" OK bed wetter maybe you can provide the proof that i asked you for.. when do you think you will expect that data.. bwahah
id bet my life that every major election on earth has had fraud, if it was someone counting ballets or casting them im 100% sure it happened in every election you want to pretend it has never happened or give one of those made up numbers like .00000000000000000007% right...
omg you piss your self every night!!!! we have proof since you didnt provide the proof of opposite.
proof is proof you are asking for things that cant be quantified at a rational rate (people don't usually make videos or confessions of crimes of this nature), he should be able to prove he hasn't wet the bed a whole lot easier. wouldn't it be insane to believe people don't commit voter fraud. NaïveHe's asking you to prove your POSITIVE claim and you're attempting to equate that into proving a negative?
Seriously?
You entered the thread with a claim. Prove that claim with valid evidence or admit there is no evidence of it.
Claims made without evidence may be dismissed without evidence.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
proof is proof you are asking for things that cant be quantified at a rational rate (people don't usually make videos or confessions of crimes of this nature), he should be able to prove he hasn't wet the bed a whole lot easier. wouldn't it be insane to believe people don't commit voter fraud. Naïve
So you believe the Big Lie ?proof is proof you are asking for things that cant be quantified at a rational rate (people don't usually make videos or confessions of crimes of this nature), he should be able to prove he hasn't wet the bed a whole lot easier. wouldn't it be insane to believe people don't commit voter fraud. Naïve
Using the logic of modern day republicans, if the opposition supports it then it is bad for me.
However, I am willing to make a deal. Someone who wants voter ID for all, what do I get in return for allowing it?
rules:
Assume we are the policy makers and what we agree upon becomes reality
No need to quibble over minor detail best guess is good enough
here is what I propose.
Voter ID for all elections, ID needs to be obtainable as in x number of locations spread equally as possible over y distance. Staffing to follow a similar formula.
I am fine with a tax increase to pay for a new branch of state gov to off set costs
I am okay with ununiformed cops to verify questionable IDs on Election Day but that is to be the Cops only function. Overtime pay for the cops can come out of the above tax.
I am okay with people paying some money to get the ID.
What I want in return is Popular vote winner is the election winner. Whomever gets the most votes wins. I am open to discussion about run off elections or some mechanism to prevent there being one million candidates and the winner got 30k votes but for the purpose of this discussion let’s shelve those ideas or handle them briefly.
Deal?
proof is proof you are asking for things that cant be quantified at a rational rate (people don't usually make videos or confessions of crimes of this nature), he should be able to prove he hasn't wet the bed a whole lot easier. wouldn't it be insane to believe people don't commit voter fraud. Naïve
So why does one have to prove a crime has been committed before passing a law to prevent it? Is it not the purpose of a regulation or law to *prevent* a crime or improper event from occurring in the first place?
These things can be quantified. For example for in person voter fraud you could take a sizable random portion of the vote records and survey they people listed to see if they voted. If you find a significant number of people that say they didn't vote but show up on the voted roll, then you have some in person voter fraud going on. But guess what? This sort of thing is actually done regularly, pretty much every state after every election, and it never turns up more then an extremely minor number of cases, and they are never linked. It is almost always something like a husband voting for his wife. In other words, it is so small scale as to have no impact on even the tightest of races.
you honestly think all laws are created after a incident and never before? laughable.Such laws are based on things that already happened in order to deter recurrence.
you think this thread exists because of made up instances? GOOD ONE! like i said easier to prove he doesn't piss himself then proving the % of fraud. One is very easy to prove the other is impossible unless there is some kinda compelling drug that is forced on people to confess their secrets.If a crime has been committed, in this case, fraud, you MUST provide proof.
Again, claims made without evidence may be dismissed without evidence.
The irony in your really poor attempt at equating the irrational demand to prove a negative with the logical demand to prove a positive is this: The point is so close to your face yet you;re still missing it.
Provide proof he IS wetting the bed. That is the equal comparison here.
"What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence."
The burden of proof regarding the truthfulness of a claim lies with the one who makes the claim; if this burden is not met, then the claim is unfounded, and its opponents need not argue further in order to dismiss it.
.Hitchens's razor - Wikipedia
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Asking to prove a negative is a logical fallacy:
Proving Non-Existence
Demanding that one proves the non-existence of something in place for providing adequate evidence for the existence of that something. Although it may be possible to prove non-existence in special situations, such as showing that a container does not contain certain items, one cannot prove...www.logicallyfallacious.com
Demanding that one proves the non-existence of something in place of providing adequate evidence for the existence of that something. Although it may be possible to prove non-existence in special situations, such as showing that a container does not contain certain items, one cannot prove universal or absolute non-existence.
So far, you have presented nothing resembling a sound argument. You have simply made assertions, and when asked to provide evidence of those positive assertions, you attempted to equate that request with proving a negative.
But you are not claiming a negative. You are claiming a positive assertion. That crimes are being committed. Prove it.
Your entire argument has boiled down to multiple related logical fallacies.
you honestly think all laws are created after a incident and never before? laughable.