Why Was Firefly a Good TV Show?

MAME

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I just watched the entire series out of bordem (and hearing how good it was). It didn't seem overly enjoyable. It has almost too much western in it for a space related timeline.

What made it so popular with so many people?

(Not bashing it, just curious)


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The western theme - it really doesn't make sense. Ok, so in the future they run out of technology for colonizing new planets, I will give you that. So, WHY THE CRAP are they reverting to western language and clothing? That is total BS. Nowhere in time were the people wearing clothing styles from 600+ years ago, let alone adopting the language (and weaponry.

I couldn't buy in to that, which was a huge part of the show
 

mercanucaribe

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Science fiction fans will latch on to ANYTHING.

Edit: By the way, I don't know if Firefly is good. I only saw one episode.
 

Shawn

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Apr 20, 2003
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I dunno but I just watched the movie a few days ago and it seemed pretty cool. Haven't seen the series yet. Where does the series begin. After the movie or before it?
 

DaveSimmons

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I liked it for the same reason I enjoyed most of Buffy and Angel: interesting offbeat characters, with intelligent writing and good dialogue.

Right now I'm enjoying the first season of House, M.D. on DVD for much of the same qualities.
 

rh71

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Aug 28, 2001
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I gave up halfway through the pilot... I also didn't like the "western" feel to it. That and I had no interest in any of the characters.
 

djheater

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Story, Story, Story.

The story had a sufficient level of complexity t allow for the suspension of disbelief. If you're not willing to meet it halfway you'll never see that, but many of us are and enjoy it.

As the inimitable PT Barnum once said, No one ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American public... or something like that.
 

So

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I watched the pilot the other day, as well as the movie, :thumbsup:

I'm gonna watch the rest...
 

mundane

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After hearing acclaim from the forums for the series, I fetched it, and am about halfway through the first (and only) season. A bit more western than I like, but the production values are high for a TV series. It's got my attention, and now I want to go watch Serenity.
 

Bateluer

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Jun 23, 2001
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Storyline, great cast and crew, uniqueness, outstanding music score.

Watch the complete series, its only 14 eps, before making a judgement of whether or not the series was good.
 

MAME

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Originally posted by: Bateluer
Storyline, great cast and crew, uniqueness, outstanding music score.

Watch the complete series, its only 14 eps, before making a judgement of whether or not the series was good.

I watched the entire series

from the original post, the first 5 words: "I watched the entire series"
 

hjo3

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Had a good cast, great visual effects, and good dialogue.

Jayne, Wash, Kaylee, and Book were all great, the others were just okay, IMHO.

But I think the show was more than the sum of its parts... if I concentrate on the individual components it doesn't seem that awesome but I really did love the series.
 

rpc64

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I didn't watch the show but I watched Serenity and loved it. I have to watch the show now.
 

Vanquisherfx

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i Found one of the character extremely beautiful, so it kept me for a few episode before being completely bored
I'm really not into all that 'western' stuff. Thats probably!

And I couldn't suspend any disbelief.
Nonetheless it wouldn't be surprising at all if anyone found it entertaining.
 

Savarak

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Its a good show cuz FOX cancelled it. Just like John Doe and Family Guy...
 

0roo0roo

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Originally posted by: hdeck
because joss weddon made it.

pretty much. weddon fanboys are just nutters


and no it wasn't sufficient enough in any aspect to achieve suspension of disbelief. buncha cliches and witty remarks instead of substance. paper thin characters, lame predictable plots, really poor acting, a universe that was absurd. hooker with a heart of gold... GROUND BREAKING stuff. and the whole expending the massive resources to create space travel + massive teraforming projects just so u can open a few whore houses in the new wild wild west is just stupid. oh yes, don't send any tech or knowledge to the new planets, that would be cheating start from nothin.

fox did the world a favor. i watched the dvd because of all the yapping about how great it was. theres nothing there folks, just a failed tacky second rate scifi series with a stupid looking ship to boot.

the dvds been out for 2 years now and the movie bombed anyways. that should tell you something.
 

Czar

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The good:
- Good characters
- Potential for a fantastic storyline

The bad:
- The stupid western theme
- The stupid western theme
- The stupid western theme
- The western theme made no sense
- Whyyyy a fscking western theme!!!
- One episode could be a complete western rippoff while the next one could be propper scifi

 

MAME

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Originally posted by: Czar
The good:
- Good characters
- Potential for a fantastic storyline

The bad:
- The stupid western theme
- The stupid western theme
- The stupid western theme
- The western theme made no sense
- Whyyyy a fscking western theme!!!
- One episode could be a complete western rippoff while the next one could be propper scifi

hah
 

Schadenfroh

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Good little series, a friend recorded the all the episodes and i have been watching them while my cable is still out because of katrina.
 

Legend

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I think the idea with the western was that there were all these terraformed moons and planets just being populated. People were just beginning to move there and there wasn't much solid law in place. There wasn't enough manufacturing to make everyone high tech machinary so there was sort of a backward reliance on old technology.

There was also some hints of chinese influence (few chinese lines, the western theme also had chinese elements to it), because all of earth evacuated to a new solar system and Chinese culture is a big part of earth.

But all that aside, I thought the series and movie were good, but not incredible. The strength of the show are the characters, humor, and story.
 
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Well, what I thought was brilliant about it from a conceptual standpoint is that it took space/interplanetary travel and civilization as *literally* a Frontier. Dozens of colonies trying to scratch out a living on worlds that are just your basic, terraformed planet, and the infrastructure and civilization being built literally from scratch. The people inhabiting these worlds are just like you and I: working to make a living, doing their best to get by and provide for themselves and their families. There was a lot of dirt and a lot of seedy types, and the same desperation in some that you find in every day life on earth.

I think it was a very unique approach as opposed to most Sci-Fi where any planet you come across tends to be super-civilized, with gigantic skyscrapers, lush, green fields and every person clean, shiny and amicable. Those archetypes are old and boring, and bear very little resemblance to the reality we live in. I expect that's one of the many reasons why the latest incarnation of Star Trek failed so completely.

In terms of the characters, I loved that they were all full of flaws and disagreements and their own *history*. They're not the perfect characters of Star Trek, where everyone's fit, firm, toned and nearly always smiling and agreeable. The characters on Firefly have rough edges, haunted pasts and unpleasant traumas that lead them to all kinds of interesting scenarios.

In terms of the overall series as such, I like that it, like Buffy and Angel before it, is VERY context-heavy. Not every episode is a stand-alone adventure like in Star Trek, and when something terrible happens to a character in a Joss Whedon series, they aren't just all fine and dandy next week. Events have consequences in Whedon's writing, and characters carry the trauma of the bad things that happen to them. Often, the small events that catch you off guard will also foreshadow greater and more terrible things to come.

In regards, particularly, to Serenity, I love that Whedon is willing to do horrible things to his characters, even kill them off. One of the things I loved about one character's death was that it *Wasn't* some trite, heroic self-sacrifice. His death was out of nowhere, it was meaningless, tragic and uninvited. I, for one, am sick to death of every character who dies in movies and series doing so "for the greater good" or sacrificing themselves "for the sake of their friends/comrades". Life isn't like that, people don't always die in some noble blaze of glory, sometimes they just get blindsided by a chunk of steel through the heart or a stray bullet falling from the sky because some jackass two blocks over has to fire into the air to celebrate the 4th of July. Perhaps one of the best things about Joss Whedon's writing is that he's willing to face these truths and force the audience to face them, too.

Jason
 
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Originally posted by: blakeatwork
Originally posted by: hdeck
because joss weddon made it.

Indeed... throw shyte in abucket, tells nerds Joss made it, and it'll sell on ebay for 30 bazillion dollars

That's probably true. Whedon has his share of fanboys, as does nearly any decent writer. Joss Whedon, though, truly *is* a great writer, and his TV series have consistently been among the best fare found on TV.

Jason
 

sixone

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Originally posted by: Legend
I think the idea with the western was that there were all these terraformed moons and planets just being populated. People were just beginning to move there and there wasn't much solid law in place. There wasn't enough manufacturing to make everyone high tech machinary so there was sort of a backward reliance on old technology.

There was also some hints of chinese influence (few chinese lines, the western theme also had chinese elements to it), because all of earth evacuated to a new solar system and Chinese culture is a big part of earth.

But all that aside, I thought the series and movie were good, but not incredible. The strength of the show are the characters, humor, and story.

I thought the contrast between the "old west" elements and the reliance on technology was interesting. The sense of humor was what did it for me. Good show.
 
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