Why Windows 7 is bad

[Ketchup]

Is a little harsh, no? Besides......we are human and not perfect. And, given it is hotfix Tuesday re W7 with 8, count em 8...critical patches.....strikes me we have far fewer inherent and infinite flaws in need of patching than anything MS will ever write.

No, a little harsh was what I was about to type about his mother but backspaced it, lol.

By the way, the Windows updates are usually there because people find new ways to hack into Windows, not fixing something that is wrong with the OS. I haven't found a single thing in 7 that makes me think "that didn't work right." Plenty with software I have installed on it, but not with Windows itself.

 

[Virgorising]

No, a little harsh was what I was about to type about his mother but backspaced it, lol.

By the way, the Windows updates are usually there because people find new ways to hack into Windows, not fixing something that is wrong with the OS. I haven't found a single thing in 7 that makes me think "that didn't work right." Plenty with software I have installed on it, but not with Windows itself.

I heah U. But......how can you say the need for infinite patches and then, infinite Service Packs in any Windows OS does not work back to that all W OSes are Less Than......while also, via infinite litigation budget, the standard of the world?

Why do you think no Apple OS is even a tiny percentage as vulnerable as any written by MS?

Hummmmmmmmm?

Edit: Anticipating the question, reason I don't go Apple is, 1) can't afford, 2) I like to customize, upgrade and FIDDLE with my puters. Not a real option with anything Apple.

By the by, I like yr rig. I am not a gamer but I like speed and yearn for a high end i5 Ivy Bridge system!! A girl can dream, right? lol

 

[Ketchup]

Why do you think no Apple OS is even a tiny percentage as vulnerable as any written by MS?

Because Apple OS is on a tiny percentage of computers compared to Microsoft OSs. Hackers and virus makers want to cause people grief. Not enough grief caused per time spent focusing on Macs.

By the by, I like yr rig. I am not a gamer but I like speed and yearn for a high end i5 Ivy Bridge system!! A girl can dream, right? lol

Thanks, It took me a few years to get this one. Very happy with it.

 

[Virgorising]

I KNEW you would say, cause Windows based systems far outnumber Apple and so hackers and lowlifes without lives leave them alone. THAT STARTED CHANGING VERY LONG AGO!

The truth is.....regardless of the burgeoning number of Apple users---the crescendo is now off the hook.....Apple OSes remain almost impervious to both hackers and infections!!!!

I so like you are luvin yr rig. And I do think when we have to wait to upgrade.....it potentiates the joy when we can get the one of our dreams.... and forever. Well, almost. lol

 

[ControlD]

I KNEW you would say, cause Windows based systems far outnumber Apple and so hackers and lowlifes without lives leave them alone. THAT STARTED CHANGING VERY LONG AGO!

The truth is.....regardless of the burgeoning number of Apple users---the crescendo is now off the hook.....Apple OSes remain almost impervious to both hackers and infections!!!!

I so like you are luvin yr rig. And I do think when we have to wait to upgrade.....it potentiates the joy when we can get the one of our dreams.... and forever. Well, almost. lol

It hasn't really changed that much though. I think the last desktop usage stats showed OS X at about 7% of users while Windows is at something like 90%. That is a huge difference. Also, as a Mac owner I can say that there have been more exploits and thus security patches over the last year than we have seen at any time in the past. If we start seeing OS X usage numbers rise, we will also see the number of hacks and exploits rise accordingly.

 

[Virgorising]

Hey. I honestly think those stats are not current. More important, again, I am convinced that all Apple OSes are far better conceived, written.....just the platform itself, and so far more impervious to all external evils, than any Windows anything. And I do know, a little bit back, someone wrote gestated some virus which worked however briefly re MACs.

Also look on any college campus......all you see are MacBooks. So, I am convinced the great disparity does not not owe to hackers not trying because they are tracking stats....especially now. My take is, they ARE trying....and mostly failing.

 

[ViRGE]

By the way, the Windows updates are usually there because people find new ways to hack into Windows, not fixing something that is wrong with the OS. I haven't found a single thing in 7 that makes me think "that didn't work right." Plenty with software I have installed on it, but not with Windows itself.

That's not entirely true. You won't usually find major bugs in Windows - all the front-facing stuff is tested and tested well - but bugs do crop up in more esoteric functions. MS tends to issue a bugfix update every couple of months, if not every month. This month's bugfix for Win6.2 for example fixes video streaming issues, JPEG decoding, and more.

KB 2822241

 

[Ketchup]

Hey. I honestly think those stats are not current.

March 2013
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_operating_systems

More important, again, I am convinced that all Apple OSes are far better conceived, written.....just the platform itself, and so far more impervious to all external evils, than any Windows anything.

Ok, that's quite enough. There is an "All things Apple" section to your left.

 

[Ketchup]

That's not entirely true. You won't usually find major bugs in Windows - all the front-facing stuff is tested and tested well - but bugs do crop up in more esoteric functions. MS tends to issue a bugfix update every couple of months, if not every month. This month's bugfix for Win6.2 for example fixes video streaming issues, JPEG decoding, and more.

KB 2822241

You got me, thanks ViRGE.

 

[Virgorising]

That's not entirely true. You won't usually find major bugs in Windows - all the front-facing stuff is tested and tested well - but bugs do crop up in more esoteric functions. MS tends to issue a bugfix update every couple of months, if not every month. This month's bugfix for Win6.2 for example fixes video streaming issues, JPEG decoding, and more.

KB 2822241

OK let's REVIEW: THE ISSUES HERE IN NOT LITTLE BUG FIXES IN THE OS to improve elements WHICH DO NOT FUNCTION OPTIMALLY. THE ISSUE HERE IS, again, the inherent, infinite, serious vulnerabilities which hackers clearly know really are infinite and there to exploit. For some, it feels as if this has become a sporting event. You can almost feel if you read about a given patch and what it was written in a big hurry to preclude......the Nuthin but Net from the three zone feeling these lowlifes get when they've managed yet again, to exploit yet another hole.

What I get from this and related posts: people adjust to what pervades....no matter how shockingly inferior a given thing might be. It becomes a norm; perspective is lost. Would you accept these infinite vulnerabilities and flaws in any other consumer product?

Some of the time, I get I too have just accepted the infinite need for critical patches and having to have carefully chosen, top protection apps and running scans before I shut a system down. Then, I remember again, none of that need be accepted as the norm.

Again, I raise the dramatic disparity between MS OSes.....and Apple.

W 7 & 8 nothing really new......both based on the same platform all the NT OSes were. And NT was a real improvement. What they do not do, I think cause they don't have to invest the money, the time, the brain power cause of the diminished expectations as above among we, the clients.....is go back to the drawing board with higher standards.

Remember, we have an example of BETTER.....so this is not theoretical.

 

[Virgorising]

You got me, thanks ViRGE.

Common, U R not that easily gettable! Unless U R.....in which case I have this Rolex I would sell you for almost no money. lol Pls go To to W updates and check out the specifics of every one of yesterday's patches. Read and learn what each was written in response to.

 

[Zxian]

I KNEW you would say, cause Windows based systems far outnumber Apple and so hackers and lowlifes without lives leave them alone. THAT STARTED CHANGING VERY LONG AGO!

OSX has never exceeded 10% of the desktop/laptop market share. Mobile devices (phones/tablets) are a different story.

The truth is.....regardless of the burgeoning number of Apple users---the crescendo is now off the hook.....Apple OSes remain almost impervious to both hackers and infections!!!!

O Rly? How long did it take Apple to update Java after several serious vulnerabilities were released? If all Apple OSes are impervious to hackers, how come I can easily bypass an iPad lock screen? That bug/vulnerability has been around for ages and has yet to be properly fixed.

 

[Nothinman]

OK let's REVIEW: THE ISSUES HERE IN NOT LITTLE BUG FIXES IN THE OS to improve elements WHICH DO NOT FUNCTION OPTIMALLY. THE ISSUE HERE IS, again, the inherent, infinite, serious vulnerabilities which hackers clearly know really are infinite and there to exploit. For some, it feels as if this has become a sporting event. You can almost feel if you read about a given patch and what it was written in a big hurry to preclude......the Nuthin but Net from the three zone feeling these lowlifes get when they've managed yet again, to exploit yet another hole.

What I get from this and related posts: people adjust to what pervades....no matter how shockingly inferior a given thing might be. It becomes a norm; perspective is lost. Would you accept these infinite vulnerabilities and flaws in any other consumer product?

Some of the time, I get I too have just accepted the infinite need for critical patches and having to have carefully chosen, top protection apps and running scans before I shut a system down. Then, I remember again, none of that need be accepted as the norm.

Again, I raise the dramatic disparity between MS OSes.....and Apple.

W 7 & 8 nothing really new......both based on the same platform all the NT OSes were. And NT was a real improvement. What they do not do, I think cause they don't have to invest the money, the time, the brain power cause of the diminished expectations as above among we, the clients.....is go back to the drawing board with higher standards.

Remember, we have an example of BETTER.....so this is not theoretical.

Apple is no better than MS with regards to security, in fact they're likely much worse. Just look at the results of pwn2own. Hell, jailbreaking is a prime example of exploiting security holes in iOS and an exploit is always found, made public and packaged up very soon after a new iOS release. Just think about for how long could you jailbreak your phone by just browsing to a website?

 

[AMDZen]

Hey. I honestly think those stats are not current. More important, again, I am convinced that all Apple OSes are far better conceived, written.....just the platform itself, and so far more impervious to all external evils, than any Windows anything. And I do know, a little bit back, someone wrote gestated some virus which worked however briefly re MACs.

Also look on any college campus......all you see are MacBooks. So, I am convinced the great disparity does not not owe to hackers not trying because they are tracking stats....especially now. My take is, they ARE trying....and mostly failing.

Where are you looking, IVY league schools?

College kids are inherently poor and a cheap laptop can be $300-600 whereas a MAC is hard pressed to get for $1000

College campuses are hardly mostly MacBooks. That is nonsense

 

[smakme7757]

Virgorising - Macintosh has been "neglected" when it comes to malware and that's a far cry from it being invulnerable.

If i put myself on the shoes of an exploit writer, be it for money or fame, i'd want to write an exploit or worm that can infect as many systems as possible. To that end Windows is usually the targetted platform. Most people at a young age are exposed to Windows and most of these people also learn to code on the Windows platform. So that's also a big reason why most malware is written for the platform.

As stated above, in the last few years Mac has suffered to some extremely bad pieces of malware. The old adage of Mac being virus free is more or less in the past. Either way Mac has rightfully gained market share with consumer friendly products, but they are certainly not writing air-tight code in California!

 

[cheez]

Here is why.

You join a Windows 7 PC to a domain in the network and logon to it..... it takes freakin 20 minutes before I can get to the desktop. I was able to reproduce the same problem with any new Windows 7 PC's. It dun't matter 64bit or 32bit. Just plain slow.


Windows XP in contrast, and with Intel Pentium Prescott processor with 512MB of ram, takes about 1 minute to login in the same manner as above. In other words, Windows XP blows the doors off Windows 7 no questions.


In more contrast, I brought a Server 2003 machine and joined to the domain and logon... it took JAW DROPPING 25 SEC!!!! That's the speed of thunder.


I bet Windows 2000 might even be faster.


The older the OS the faster it gets. I wonder what would happen with Windows 8 or 9 or 10. With Windows 15 it would take a year to make it to the desktop when logging on after joining to the domain.... Serious problem.

It's hurting our production environment. Very serious matter.


cheez

 

[stlcardinals]

Here is why.

You join a Windows 7 PC to a domain in the network and logon to it..... it takes freakin 20 minutes before I can get to the desktop. I was able to reproduce the same problem with any new Windows 7 PC's. It dun't matter 64bit or 32bit. Just plain slow.


Windows XP in contrast, and with Intel Pentium Prescott processor with 512MB of ram, takes about 1 minute to login in the same manner as above. In other words, Windows XP blows the doors off Windows 7 no questions.


In more contrast, I brought a Server 2003 machine and joined to the domain and logon... it took JAW DROPPING 25 SEC!!!! That's the speed of thunder.


I bet Windows 2000 might even be faster.


The older the OS the faster it gets. I wonder what would happen with Windows 8 or 9 or 10. With Windows 15 it would take a year to make it to the desktop when logging on after joining to the domain.... Serious problem.

It's hurting our production environment. Very serious matter.


cheez

Sounds like whoever is running the domain you are joining doesn't know how to apply group policies and startup scripts properly.

 

[Nothinman]

Here is why.

You join a Windows 7 PC to a domain in the network and logon to it..... it takes freakin 20 minutes before I can get to the desktop. I was able to reproduce the same problem with any new Windows 7 PC's. It dun't matter 64bit or 32bit. Just plain slow.


Windows XP in contrast, and with Intel Pentium Prescott processor with 512MB of ram, takes about 1 minute to login in the same manner as above. In other words, Windows XP blows the doors off Windows 7 no questions.


In more contrast, I brought a Server 2003 machine and joined to the domain and logon... it took JAW DROPPING 25 SEC!!!! That's the speed of thunder.


I bet Windows 2000 might even be faster.


The older the OS the faster it gets. I wonder what would happen with Windows 8 or 9 or 10. With Windows 15 it would take a year to make it to the desktop when logging on after joining to the domain.... Serious problem.

It's hurting our production environment. Very serious matter.


cheez

I have never seen a Win7 machine take that long to log onto a domain account. Something is seriously wrong with your setup.

 

[Red Squirrel]

I've seen the same issue before. It will stay at the welcome screen for like 10 minutes.

Linux takes 10 seconds from bootup to get to the desktop. Windows has improved though, but it's still not as fast and efficient as Linux. Windows 2000 was probably the most efficient windows OS though, it was nice and lightweight. Then XP came around and things went downhill from there. XP is only good now because hardware caught up but it was brutal when it was released.

XP is still somewhat slow even on modern hardware though, there is the dreaded startup lag where even once you hit the desktop everything is very slow and slugish for the next 10 minutes. It's very bad on our work computers and they are core2duos. You almost need to let it sit for 10 minutes before even trying to open a program. God forbid if you try to open Outlook. May as well go order breakfast or something.

That said, the issue with windows is it loves to disk thrash. Probably because it's a swap file whore no matter how much ram there actually is. A SSD makes a HUGE difference.

 

[RampantAndroid]

Hey. I honestly think those stats are not current. More important, again, I am convinced that all Apple OSes are far better conceived, written.....just the platform itself, and so far more impervious to all external evils, than any Windows anything. And I do know, a little bit back, someone wrote gestated some virus which worked however briefly re MACs.

Also look on any college campus......all you see are MacBooks. So, I am convinced the great disparity does not not owe to hackers not trying because they are tracking stats....especially now. My take is, they ARE trying....and mostly failing.

The stats are current. OSX has yet to break 10%. Moreover, by default guess what, boot into recovery and run the command "resetpassword" and...well, you're able to log in to that mac. Great security, no?

OSX falls at hacking conventions in a matter of seconds. Windows takes longer and some distros of linux drop as fast as OSX, some never drop.

 

[Fardringle]

Sounds like whoever is running the domain you are joining doesn't know how to apply group policies and startup scripts properly.

Agreed. The only time I have ever seen a Windows desktop of any variety take more than a minute to boot to the desktop is when it is 1) full of viruses, 2) loading a ton of startup software that didn't really need to be there, 3) on an improperly configured domain, or 4) damaged/failing hardware.

 

[Zxian]

Agreed. The only time I have ever seen a Windows desktop of any variety take more than a minute to boot to the desktop is when it is 1) full of viruses, 2) loading a ton of startup software that didn't really need to be there, 3) on an improperly configured domain, or 4) damaged/failing hardware.

:thumbsup:

 

[CA19100]

Moreover, by default guess what, boot into recovery and run the command "resetpassword" and...well, you're able to log in to that mac. Great security, no?

If you use the built-in FileVault encryption, it is indeed great security. The whole partition will be encrypted with XTS-AES 128, and if you don't have the password or recovery key, you aren't getting in.

 

[RampantAndroid]

If you use the built-in FileVault encryption, it is indeed great security. The whole partition will be encrypted with XTS-AES 128, and if you don't have the password or recovery key, you aren't getting in.

Yup, but its insane that Apple doesn't do anything to make users aware of this. I've gone into three friend's machines, bet them money I can get in and won all three. I then got them to encrypt their machines. They were flabbergasted.

 

[Sheep221]

How come the OP is actually doing remote tech support?