Why won't Nintendo discount the Wii U?

[cmdrdredd]

A new Metroid game or the new Metroid game?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metroid_Prime:_Federation_Force

Have you read anything about that game? It's not even really a metroid game. It's a co-op shooter using the metroid name. It has no exploration, no ability to scan the environment, you don't even play as Samus but some random marine.

 

[Sonikku]

True, I would consider a Wii U at 199 and a new Metroid game.

Heck I would consider a new Wii U at 199 and no Metroid game. But $300? Yeah, no.

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

Have you read anything about that game? It's not even really a metroid game. It's a co-op shooter using the metroid name. It has no exploration, no ability to scan the environment, you don't even play as Samus but some random marine.

Yeah, that's why I posted it.

Edit: NX just announced for 3/17.
http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2016/...-2017-launch-for-nintendo-nx-and-zelda-delay/
And...

Nintendo is clearly looking forward to greener pastures, as the company's latest earnings report included a drop in profits from 41.8 billion yen in FY2015 to 16.5 billion yen, or $149 million, in FY2016.

Wow.

 

[Sulaco]

....aaaaand basically my last major reason for potentially getting a WiiU during its lifespan has evaporated:

ZELDA WII U DELAYED TO 2017, ALSO COMING TO NX

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Nintendo also confirmed that Zelda Wii U will be coming to its new console, the NX, which is confirmed to launch globally March 2017. "An NX version is also currently in development, to release simultaneously with the Wii U version."

http://www.ign.com/articles/2016/04/27/zelda-wii-u-delayed-to-2017-also-coming-to-nx

 

[purbeast0]

it's crazy how nintendo simply won't get away from their old ways of doing business. this is literally the exact same thing that happened with gamecube and wii. it's crazy how zelda used to be such a staple of the nintendo brand but ever since n64 and ocarina of time it's been almost laughable.

 

[Sonikku]

Getting real tired of the rehashes. TP, WW, MM, OoT all rereleased in the past few years and filling the hole of an original Zelda. I'm just glad we got the Link to The Past spinoff on 3DS.

 

[cmdrdredd]

This is very sad. I don't know what to say. Nintendo isn't building any good will to get me to buy an nx either. If they couldn't deliver the games to the wiiu why should I believe things will suddenly change and we will get all the games we wanted to see before?

 

[Sonikku]

I know right? What sucks is I really want them to succeed and have a compelling product, but they just seem completely unwilling and incapable of changing.

 

[slatr]

Heck I would consider a new Wii U at 199 and no Metroid game. But $300? Yeah, no.

How about 230.97

http://www.gamestop.com/wii-u/software/nintendo-wii-u-8gb-basic-skylanders-swap-force-bundle/112315

 

[Sonikku]

Close but no cigar. A 32gb version would be pushing it for that price but might be passable.

 

[Fulle]

Nintendo shows me flashes of brilliance in this storm of incompetence and bad decisions, that keeps me hoping they'll start being great again.... and then they crush those hopes with more incompetence.

It's hard to hate them, because they're the company that develops my beloved Zelda and Fire Emblem games.... Yet, it's sooooo easy to hate them, because the way they handle the North American Publishing of such games is infuriating.

This is the 2nd Zelda that has been delayed to wait on the next Nintendo console... and Nintendo doesn't provide enough dev resources for Zelda. The last 3D Zelda was roughly 5 years ago, so by the time we see this next one, it'll be pushing 6 years between games. The Zelda fanbase is borderline toxic on strong opinions on individual games, in part because you only get about 2 of them per decade. Meanwhile, Fire Emblem's handling has been saddening. Several games were produced on limited production runs to create artificial scarcity. Same with Fire Emblem Amiibos, where Nintendo seems to have intentionally limited NA supply. Then they basically chopped up the newest 3DS game into pieces, so if you want the complete game you basically have to pay $100. Oh, and it's freaking CENSORED as well. *sigh*

Frankly, I wish Nintendo would leave the videogame industry, and Sony was able to buy Intelligent Systems, Monolith Soft, and maybe drop a truck-full of money on Eiji Aonuma's front porch. Unfortunately, though, Nintendo has huge cash reserves to weather mistakes, and we're stuck with them... So I can only hope that they'll eventually decide it's more profitable to actually treat their customers with a little respect.

 

[poofyhairguy]

Frankly, I wish Nintendo would leave the videogame industry

Really? That would kill a lot of fan favorite IP. Even if Sony hired they guy who made Zelda games doesn't mean they get the franchise.

I would rather see them go third party, or even get bought out wholesale before they completely leave the industry in the NX fails.

 

[sao123]

I would love to See Sony outright buy Nintendo.
Mario & Zelda on PS4.5 for all...

 

[Fulle]

Really? That would kill a lot of fan favorite IP. Even if Sony hired they guy who made Zelda games doesn't mean they get the franchise.

I would rather see them go third party, or even get bought out wholesale before they completely leave the industry in the NX fails.

I guess the silver lining on that, would be that if they made new IPs under the same type of gameplay, they could drop some of the nonsense lore and character design. How much does an IP matter anyway?

Link has devolved from a wandering bad-ass nomad, into a boy from a hippie hometown, with no past combat experience, who looks like a woman, and dresses like a clown. This completely unqualified person has to fight the world's most dangerous evil mage, because.... he has the Triforce of Courage, and is the re-incarnated hero? Yeah, that's pretty dumb, when you think about it. Sure, Ganon broke free from the Sages and has two Triforce pieces now that he's kidnapped Zelda, but it's cool guys, we'll be rescued by this 9 year old and his talking boat!

I can't speak for all Zelda fans, but I personally think that Link is a pretty darn dorky character now, and I'm mainly just hooked by the gameplay of Zelda games. Keep that gameplay in a new IP, published by a company who might push things into a more reasonable lore and character direction... and we could get something amazing.

 

[Sonikku]

Agreed with Poofy. Would rather they put Mario on Playstation and Xbox. But with the cabbage they made off the original Wii they have too much of a cushion to force change.

 

[poofyhairguy]

I guess the silver lining on that, would be that if they made new IPs under the same type of gameplay, they could drop some of the nonsense lore and character design. How much does an IP matter anyway?

A lot. Mario and Pikachu are probably as recognizable as Mickey Mouse. Hell I personally want their back catalog of old games (aka the IP) on a console/set-top-box that I actually own just as much as I want sequels. For a whole generation of gamers Nintendo IP is tied to a lot of positivity. I think people always want to give Nintendo another chance for this reason. I know I do.

Plus I respect how Nintendo has stayed true to their roots and stayed childish. Too many modern games take themselves too seriously in my opinion, not every AAA game has to be a murder simulator in a sandbox. I would much rather play Mario Kart N with my friends then some "racing simulator" that makes expensive cars just as much of a pain in the ass to drive in the game as they are in real life. Plus playing Mario is what I want to pass down to my children, not Grand Murder Auto 7.

I mean, Zelda without the cartoonist nature is basically The Witcher with items called different things. We have plenty of "adult" 3D platformers and action RPGs. What makes Nintendo special IS not just their IP but the perspective that IP forces on its new developers. Hell the best Zelda's have been the most cartoonish ones.

 

[Sonikku]

Aye. I think one of the best things about Nintendo is they've been like a constant companion to many of us throughout our lives. As someone who was born in 84 and had an NES in 87 some of my earliest memories were running into a goomba over and over (before I learned what the A and B buttons were all about) and playing Zelda. Today the graphics are better. But the heart of what they were is still the same and just as vibrant as ever.

 

[Red Hawk]

Poofy is pretty on point here, but I'll add a few things. I acknowledge that some of the decisions Nintendo makes are nonsensical and that they can seem behind the times. The flip side of that is that they're not so easily swayed by the negative trends and tendencies of the video game industry. I'd rather them come out with one great console Zelda game in 5 years than w(hore)ear out the series with a game every year like Assassin's Creed. I appreciate that they keep games games and don't try to turn them into services where the gameplay is all online or anything like that. It'd just be a sad day to see them leave the industry; I'd much rather them improve than just pack up their bags and leave.

As for Fulle's comments on Link...he's kind of always been an effeminate elf-boy dressed in a green tunic and tights. His look was originally inspired by Peter Pan, "the boy who won't grow up", and known for being played on stage by women, of all things. So I really don't see how he's supposed to have devolved or anything. He kind of follows the classic hero arc, starting from small beginnings and continually proving himself and growing stronger over time until he's finally ready to confront Ganon (or whatever the villain of the particular game is). He never already has combat experience at the start of a game, unless it's a direct sequel like Adventure of Link or Majora's Mask.

I mean, is this:

Really all that much more mature than this?:

Or this?:

Feel free to dislike Link if you want, I just don't see a how you can say the character is somehow dorkier than he was from the start.

 

[cmdrdredd]

I don't care about link himself, the hero could be called Chris and I would feel the same way about the game. What I think hurt the series for me was the change in art style. I thought the ocarina of time/majora's mask era was more dark and mature themed. When they moved to wind waker it was a brighter and more cheerful feeling to the world More cute if you will and I disliked that style. Not that either is right or wrong, but I have a preference toward the darker and more mature feeling games even twilight princess I liked more.

 

[zerocool84]

I don't care about link himself, the hero could be called Chris and I would feel the same way about the game. What I think hurt the series for me was the change in art style. I thought the ocarina of time/majora's mask era was more dark and mature themed. When they moved to wind waker it was a brighter and more cheerful feeling to the world More cute if you will and I disliked that style. Not that either is right or wrong, but I have a preference toward the darker and more mature feeling games even twilight princess I liked more.

I felt that way at first but when you play it, you totally forget about the cartoony graphics. It's a good game.

 

[cmdrdredd]

I felt that way at first but when you play it, you totally forget about the cartoony graphics. It's a good game.

I played every Zelda game and finished it, even the terrible skyward sword with it's frustrating fake sword controls. I just prefer a different style to the world than they went for with wind waker.

 

[Sonikku]

TP HD should be right up your alley.

 

[Sonikku]

Gamestop CEO starts talking about the Wii U in the past tense. Says it "was" a disappointing system.

http://www.gamespot.com/articles/wii-u-was-disappointing-to-everybody-including-nin/1100-6439517/

 

[Triloby]

Gamestop CEO starts talking about the Wii U in the past tense. Says it "was" a disappointing system.

http://www.gamespot.com/articles/wii-u-was-disappointing-to-everybody-including-nin/1100-6439517/

Dissapointed in the sense that it wasn't flying off shelves like the XBONE and PS4, of course.

 

[Fulle]

Yeah, you guys are probably right in that Link never actually evolved into this dorky effeminate character... he sort of always was that way. I remember finding LttP's Link to be mildly irritating with his bouncy looking sprite animations, and dorky artwork, but then with Ocarina of Time and Majora's Mask, I was pretty content with Link's aesthetic... but at closer examination he still had those horrible looking tights. I think I like Twilight Princess Link the best, since the tights were dropped (thank god), and his clothes seem to have a practical feel to them, and go with Link's role as a ranch hand. Still lots of effeminate BS going on with his face and hair, but Link was overall looking alright in TP.

In most Zelda games, it's my opinion that Link isn't really all that important as a character. Its old school game design ideas where the mean character doesn't really speak, or give off a lot of personality, so you feel linked into that world through the character. Think I vaguely recall some Nintendo dev talking about that's what they were going for with Link, in that Link is You, so they did't intend for him to have a lot going on as a character to muddy that up.