Why you american so obsess with guns??

[Lifted]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Hmm, you drop in and quote a bunch of obscure or questionable references yet you don't address any of the excellent points made in the last 24 hours.

Yeah, I'm going to take this post seriously...:roll:

As was already posted (incorrectly)

Dear Kettle,

You are black.

Sincerely,
Pot

 

[loic2003]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: loic2003

Originally posted by: KingPhil
Crap, and this moron is GOLDEN!

Guns aren't meant just for shooting animals or people.

I like the skill of target practice at the range! What is the harm in that!

I target shot for two years.
I go clay pigeon shooting.
I have no gun at my home.

You have no gun in your home because you CAN'T own a gun legally.

I can.

 

[CaptainGoodnight]

The Bill of Rights was designed to ensure and protect the rights of individual citizens. The Second Amendment is no different. It ensures a free country.

 

[BATCH71]

Ask a Jew from the 1940 Era. Right about the time Nazi Germany took them all away from them and then their kids and then there belongings and then their lives and then.............get the point. Without a weapon you have no protection against those with weapons.

 

[Vic]

Why is this thread not dead? The right of law-abiding citizens to be able to arm and protect themselves is a requirement of a free people. Denied that most basic of rights, then the people are NOT free, regardless of any claims their tyrannical government might make to the contrary.

/End thread

 

[Lifted]

Thank you for your opinion.

Move along now.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Lifted
Thank you for your opinion.

Move along now.

Really? So if your government controls your whole life, including your right to defend yourself from criminal elements, then you are NOT a slave to your government?
What I posted above was not my opinion. It is fact.

 

[ShadowBlade]

Originally posted by: KLin
Dear village idiot,

Stop Posting.

Sincerely,
ATOT

 

[Lifted]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Lifted
Thank you for your opinion.

Move along now.

Really? So if your government controls your whole life, including your right to defend yourself from criminal elements, then you are NOT a slave to your government?
What I posted above was not my opinion. It is fact.

Why do you need a handgun to defend your home?

Will a shotgun or rifle not do the same job?

Would the streets not be safer if there were no concealed guns out there?

Again, gun control is not about taking away your right to own a gun, it's about taking guns off the street which are harmful to society. Other than police who have to carry them around all day, there is no need for the general public to have guns concealed on them while in public. If you are scared to walk the streets, get a taser or pepper spray.

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: Lifted

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Lifted
Thank you for your opinion.

Move along now.

Really? So if your government controls your whole life, including your right to defend yourself from criminal elements, then you are NOT a slave to your government?
What I posted above was not my opinion. It is fact.

Why do you need a handgun to defend your home?

Will a shotgun or rifle not do the same job?

Would the streets not be safer if there were no concealed guns out there?

Again, gun control is not about taking away your right to own a gun, it's about taking guns off the street which are harmful to society. Other than police who have to carry them around all day, there is no need for the general public to have guns concealed on them while in public. If you are scared to walk the streets, get a taser or pepper spray.

In NY, it's illegal to carry a taser or pepper spray, yet it's legal to carray a handgun provided you have a CCW.

As far as "taking guns off the street," all gun control is going to do is take the weapons out of the hands of the citizens, and keep them in the hands of the criminals.

 

[mwtgg]

Originally posted by: Lifted

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Lifted
Thank you for your opinion.

Move along now.

Really? So if your government controls your whole life, including your right to defend yourself from criminal elements, then you are NOT a slave to your government?
What I posted above was not my opinion. It is fact.

Why do you need a handgun to defend your home?

Will a shotgun or rifle not do the same job?

Would the streets not be safer if there were no concealed guns out there?

Again, gun control is not about taking away your right to own a gun, it's about taking guns off the street which are harmful to society. Other than police who have to carry them around all day, there is no need for the general public to have guns concealed on them while in public. If you are scared to walk the streets, get a taser or pepper spray.

That's a bunch of horsecrap. Find me a story of someone with a CCW permit who "harmed society". Have fun searching.

Yeah, that taser or pepper spray is really going to stop someone in their tracks. What's wrong with guns? Nothing. It's a tool, you perceive them to be bad, that's all.

 

[Lifted]

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: Lifted

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Lifted
Thank you for your opinion.

Move along now.

Really? So if your government controls your whole life, including your right to defend yourself from criminal elements, then you are NOT a slave to your government?
What I posted above was not my opinion. It is fact.

Why do you need a handgun to defend your home?

Will a shotgun or rifle not do the same job?

Would the streets not be safer if there were no concealed guns out there?

Again, gun control is not about taking away your right to own a gun, it's about taking guns off the street which are harmful to society. Other than police who have to carry them around all day, there is no need for the general public to have guns concealed on them while in public. If you are scared to walk the streets, get a taser or pepper spray.

In NY, it's illegal to carry a taser or pepper spray, yet it's legal to carray a handgun provided you have a CCW.

As far as "taking guns off the street," all gun control is going to do is take the weapons out of the hands of the citizens, and keep them in the hands of the criminals.

Yes, in NY we're a bit further up the evolutionary chain than the rest of the country.

The rest of the country is still playing catch-up.

 

[SarcasticDwarf]

Originally posted by: Lifted

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Lifted
Thank you for your opinion.

Move along now.

Really? So if your government controls your whole life, including your right to defend yourself from criminal elements, then you are NOT a slave to your government?
What I posted above was not my opinion. It is fact.

Why do you need a handgun to defend your home?

Will a shotgun or rifle not do the same job?

Would the streets not be safer if there were no concealed guns out there?

Again, gun control is not about taking away your right to own a gun, it's about taking guns off the street which are harmful to society. Other than police who have to carry them around all day, there is no need for the general public to have guns concealed on them while in public. If you are scared to walk the streets, get a taser or pepper spray.

Why do police need a handgun? Will not a shotgun or rifle do the same? A handgun is much easier to wield, especially in close quarters.

 

[Lifted]

Originally posted by: mwtgg

Originally posted by: Lifted

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Lifted
Thank you for your opinion.

Move along now.

Really? So if your government controls your whole life, including your right to defend yourself from criminal elements, then you are NOT a slave to your government?
What I posted above was not my opinion. It is fact.

Why do you need a handgun to defend your home?

Will a shotgun or rifle not do the same job?

Would the streets not be safer if there were no concealed guns out there?

Again, gun control is not about taking away your right to own a gun, it's about taking guns off the street which are harmful to society. Other than police who have to carry them around all day, there is no need for the general public to have guns concealed on them while in public. If you are scared to walk the streets, get a taser or pepper spray.

That's a bunch of horsecrap. Find me a story of someone with a CCW permit who "harmed society". Have fun searching.

Yeah, that taser or pepper spray is really going to stop someone in their tracks. What's wrong with guns? Nothing. It's a tool, you perceive them to be bad, that's all.

Uhh, did I say people with CCW permit crimes? Stop putting words in my mouth. Is that the only way you can find something to disagree with in what I said, by rewritting the whole thing in your head into something which it isn't.

If there were no handguns available at all, then nobody would be able to carry them. Criminals included. Comprende?

 

[Lifted]

Originally posted by: SarcasticDwarf

Why do police need a handgun?

Maybe because they have to carry them around all day?

Do YOU have to carry a gun around all day? If you use your gun for sport or home protection, the answer is no.

Next.

 

[Lifted]

If you are all going to keep posting the same excuses for why you NEED to own a handgun that were already posted for the past 17 pages, I'm done here. Come up with something new if you care to carry on this discusstion.

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: Lifted

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: Lifted

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Lifted
Thank you for your opinion.

Move along now.

Really? So if your government controls your whole life, including your right to defend yourself from criminal elements, then you are NOT a slave to your government?
What I posted above was not my opinion. It is fact.

Why do you need a handgun to defend your home?

Will a shotgun or rifle not do the same job?

Would the streets not be safer if there were no concealed guns out there?

Again, gun control is not about taking away your right to own a gun, it's about taking guns off the street which are harmful to society. Other than police who have to carry them around all day, there is no need for the general public to have guns concealed on them while in public. If you are scared to walk the streets, get a taser or pepper spray.

In NY, it's illegal to carry a taser or pepper spray, yet it's legal to carray a handgun provided you have a CCW.

As far as "taking guns off the street," all gun control is going to do is take the weapons out of the hands of the citizens, and keep them in the hands of the criminals.

Yes, in NY we're a bit further up the evolutionary chain than the rest of the country.

The rest of the country is still playing catch-up.

You're not making any sense. You're a bit further up the evolutionary chain because NY bans what are usually non-lethal deterrents, but legalizes lethal deterrents? If anything, that should show you how back-asswards NY is on some things.

Originally posted by: Lifted

Originally posted by: SarcasticDwarf

Why do police need a handgun?

Maybe because they have to carry them around all day?

Do YOU have to carry a gun around all day? If you use your gun for sport or home protection, the answer is no.

Next.

Ever hear of a shoulder strap? Kinda defeats that theory then, doesn't it.

Originally posted by: Lifted
Uhh, did I say people with CCW permit crimes? Stop putting words in my mouth. Is that the only way you can find something to disagree with in what I said, by rewritting the whole thing in your head into something which it isn't.

If there were no handguns available at all, then nobody would be able to carry them. Criminals included. Comprende?

There are handguns, and there will always be handguns. Nothing short of a worldwide ban, along with purging the entire world of handguns, is going to prevent them from coming into or out of countries. Even then, I'm sure they'd still be produced and sold on the black market, and readily available to people who wanted them illegally. So once again, you advocate taking guns away from the people who can legally obtain and own them, and keep them in the hands of the people that illegally own and obtain them.

 

[mwtgg]

Originally posted by: Lifted

Originally posted by: mwtgg

Originally posted by: Lifted

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Lifted
Thank you for your opinion.

Move along now.

Really? So if your government controls your whole life, including your right to defend yourself from criminal elements, then you are NOT a slave to your government?
What I posted above was not my opinion. It is fact.

Why do you need a handgun to defend your home?

Will a shotgun or rifle not do the same job?

Would the streets not be safer if there were no concealed guns out there?

Again, gun control is not about taking away your right to own a gun, it's about taking guns off the street which are harmful to society. Other than police who have to carry them around all day, there is no need for the general public to have guns concealed on them while in public. If you are scared to walk the streets, get a taser or pepper spray.

That's a bunch of horsecrap. Find me a story of someone with a CCW permit who "harmed society". Have fun searching.

Yeah, that taser or pepper spray is really going to stop someone in their tracks. What's wrong with guns? Nothing. It's a tool, you perceive them to be bad, that's all.

Uhh, did I say people with CCW permit crimes? Stop putting words in my mouth. Is that the only way you can find something to disagree with in what I said, by rewritting the whole thing in your head into something which it isn't.

If there were no handguns available at all, then nobody would be able to carry them. Criminals included. Comprende?

Let me say this slowly:

You are living in a fantasy world if you believe handguns will just disappear.

And besides, you said

Originally posted by: Lifted
Would the streets not be safer if there were no concealed guns out there?

So no, I didn't put any words in your mouth.

 

[Lifted]

Originally posted by: BigJ

Ever hear of a shoulder strap? Kinda defeats that theory then, doesn't it.

Ever hear of convenience?

There are handguns, and there will always be handguns. Nothing short of a worldwide ban, along with purging the entire world of handguns, is going to prevent them from coming into or out of countries. Even then, I'm sure they'd still be produced and sold on the black market, and readily available to people who wanted them illegally. So once again, you advocate taking guns away from the people who can legally obtain and own them, and keep them in the hands of the people that illegally own and obtain them.

If there was a law stating you would be put in jail for 20 years for carrying a handgun, would you carry one? What do they do to you now if you walk around the street with a loaded AK47, M60, bazooka, grenade? It obviously works becuase you hardly ever hear of any issues with them. The only time there are issues with them are when it involves big time drug dealers shooting eachother or Heat style bank robberies, which are few and far between.

 

[Lifted]

Originally posted by: mwtgg

Let me say this slowly:

You are living in a fantasy world if you believe handguns will just disappear.

And besides, you said

Originally posted by: Lifted
Would the streets not be safer if there were no concealed guns out there?

So no, I didn't put any words in your mouth.

Are you slow, or blind? Where in that sentence do you see me saying anything about CCW permit holders commiting crimes? Your last name wouldn't be Gump by any chance, would it?

That's a bunch of horsecrap. Find me a story of someone with a CCW permit who "harmed society". Have fun searching.

Yes Gump, that is what you said.

 

[mwtgg]

Originally posted by: Lifted

Originally posted by: mwtgg

Let me say this slowly:

You are living in a fantasy world if you believe handguns will just disappear.

And besides, you said

Originally posted by: Lifted
Would the streets not be safer if there were no concealed guns out there?

So no, I didn't put any words in your mouth.

Are you slow, or blind? Where in that sentence do you see me saying anything about CCW permit holders commiting crimes? Your last name wouldn't be Gump by any chance, would it?

That's a bunch of horsecrap. Find me a story of someone with a CCW permit who "harmed society". Have fun searching.

Yes Gump, that is what you said.

"Would the streets not be safer if there were no concealed guns out there?"

Am I wrong for assuming that by your logic, CCW permit holders are part of the "problem"?

 

[Lifted]

Originally posted by: mwtgg

That's a bunch of horsecrap. Find me a story of someone with a CCW permit who "harmed society". Have fun searching.

Yes Gump, that is what you said.

"Would the streets not be safer if there were no concealed guns out there?"

Am I wrong for assuming that by your logic, CCW permit holders are part of the "problem"?

By my logic, if nobody has concealed guns, CCW holders and criminals, than yes, the streets would be safer.

Please explain to me how criminials having concealed weapons makes the streets safer. I'd love to hear this logic.

Please explain to me why the fvck I should trust you with a gun on the streets. Because you filled out a form and they gave you a piece of paper? Thanks, but I'll take my chances with you not having a gun hidden on you. At least if you were walking down the street with a rifle I would to stay clear of your paranoid ass.

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: Lifted

Originally posted by: BigJ

Ever hear of a shoulder strap? Kinda defeats that theory then, doesn't it.

Ever hear of convenience?

There are handguns, and there will always be handguns. Nothing short of a worldwide ban, along with purging the entire world of handguns, is going to prevent them from coming into or out of countries. Even then, I'm sure they'd still be produced and sold on the black market, and readily available to people who wanted them illegally. So once again, you advocate taking guns away from the people who can legally obtain and own them, and keep them in the hands of the people that illegally own and obtain them.

If there was a law stating you would be put in jail for 20 years for carrying a handgun, would you carry one? What do they do to you now if you walk around the street with a loaded AK47, M60, bazooka, grenade? It obviously works becuase you hardly ever hear of any issues with them. The only time there are issues with them are when it involves big time drug dealers shooting eachother or Heat style bank robberies, which are few and far between.

Armed robbery currently warrants a prison term anywhere from 5-12 years. That includes using a knife, or a gun, or any of a whole slew of weapons. So I guess that really doesn't deter criminals.

Especially since a cop will usually never catch someone simply carrying a handgun for the hell of it, the prison term would deter nobody. And also, prison terms do not scare most gangbangers, or people who obtain firearms illegally. Once again, you are advocating taking weapons out of the citizens that have the right and good-intentions to own them, and keeping the criminals that don't armed.

It doesn't "obviously" work because those weapons you listed are produced in much smaller numbers (with the exception of the AK I believe), are much more expensive, and much harder to illegally obtain. There is a huge number of weapons, ranging from handguns, to rifles, to whatever that can easily be obtained. There is not a huge number of bazookas, RPGs, grenades. Not to mention, using these weapons involves a MUCH greater risk to the offender, considering he's going to blow himself up too in the process.

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: Lifted

Originally posted by: mwtgg

That's a bunch of horsecrap. Find me a story of someone with a CCW permit who "harmed society". Have fun searching.

Yes Gump, that is what you said.

"Would the streets not be safer if there were no concealed guns out there?"

Am I wrong for assuming that by your logic, CCW permit holders are part of the "problem"?

By my logic, if nobody has concealed guns, CCW holders and criminals, than yes, the streets would be safer.

Please explain to me how criminials having concealed weaponsmakes the streets safer. I'd love to hear this logic.

Please explain to me why the fvck I should trust you with a gun on the streets. Because you filled out a form and they gave you a piece of paper? Thanks, but I'll take my chances with you not having a gun hidden on you.

With borders as extensive as the US, it is impossible to monitor everything. And handguns will get into the country, and there are already a large number of them in circulation. Outlawing them simply keeps them out of the hands of people who legally obtain them, and makes it even more profitable for people that illegally sell them, and does nothing to those people who already illegally obtain them.

You obviously don't know how difficult it is to obtain a CCW permit, or what is involved in getting one.

 

[mobobuff]

Originally posted by: KLin
Dear village idiot,

Stop Posting.

Sincerely,
ATOT