Why you can't have the death penalty as it exist today Glenn Ford

[desy]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...glenn-ford-is-exonerated-and-free/?tid=pm_pop

Again another innocent man is freed after facing death for decades. The pro DP camp says no innocent people have ever been put to death however time and again the Justice system is flawed and I don't buy into collateral damage is OK, ever, its what makes our rule of law the envy of the globe for those that don't have it.
I'm not saying there aren't those deserving of it but that the real world application bar is set too low.
One state cleared 10% of death row inmates with new DNA testing that is a huge rate of error when addressing someone's life

 

[BUnit1701]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...glenn-ford-is-exonerated-and-free/?tid=pm_pop

Again another innocent man is freed after facing death for decades. The pro DP camp says no innocent people have ever been put to death however time and again the Justice system is flawed and I don't buy into collateral damage is OK, ever, its what makes our rule of law the envy of the globe for those that don't have it.
I'm not saying there aren't those deserving of it but that the real world application bar is set too low.
One state cleared 10% of death row inmates with new DNA testing that is a huge rate of error when addressing someone's life

I've said it before, and I will repeat, gettng rid of the death penalty is at best a band aid. Instead we need to fix the broken system that convicts innocent people.

 

[poofyhairguy]

Instead we need to fix the broken system that convicts innocent people.

So are you going to be the one that invents a device that call pull verified memories out of people's minds? Or the one to invent a time machine?

Because without those there is no way to get 100% certainty in all cases. Hence, the "band aid" is the only real-world solution.

 

[dainthomas]

With all the prosecutorial shenanigans that seem to have occured, he'll deservedly get a check with lots of zeroes. Not worth getting your life stolen though (almost literally).

 

[desy]

Says he gets 250K + an additional 80K by Louisiana law

 

[Jaskalas]

Given our capacity to screw up, I'm comfortable excluding the DP from all cases except in ones where the "suspect" is absolutely certain. Such as Boston Bombers, Aurora theater, Fort Hood, etc.

Basically people who are caught in the act. No circumstantial cases whatsoever.

 

[Pray To Jesus]

System working well. Another innocent man is freed after facing death for decades.


There are no examples of execution of anyone that are later factually proven innocent past 30 years.

 

[BoberFett]

I'll be generous and give government (any government, local, state, federal, a particular agency, etc.) about a 50/50 shot of doing things right. I certainly don't trust them to apply the death penalty correctly.

 

[LunarRay]

I've said it before, and I will repeat, gettng rid of the death penalty is at best a band aid. Instead we need to fix the broken system that convicts innocent people.

Juries convict defendants. Juries are people using their individual minds applied to the evidence and the law. Circumstantial evidence is the most powerful evidence but it is also subject to the limits science imposes or the bias of the jury for or against the arguments presented.
Direct evidence is subjected to all manner of bias and human capability. Once a juror accepts as true what a witness indicates they saw even though the witness may not actually be sure, it becomes fact.

That kind of system not only convicts but it also acquits guilty folks and at times acquits because the jury avoids their oath and decides what is lawful.

Any penalty applied to a person found guilty should not be such that when carried out there is no hope to remedy a factual mistake. There are other reasons to eliminate the Death Penalty and they too are valid but the one reason anyone can grasp is one where 'OOPS' is not part of the program.

 

[BUnit1701]

So are you going to be the one that invents a device that call pull verified memories out of people's minds? Or the one to invent a time machine?

Because without those there is no way to get 100% certainty in all cases. Hence, the "band aid" is the only real-world solution.

LMAO technology advanced to exonerate the ones we know about, it is childish to think it will not continue to advance. The focus needs to be on improving investigative technique and training along with a dismantling of our police state.

 

[poofyhairguy]

LMAO technology advanced to exonerate the ones we know about, it is childish to think it will not continue to advance.

I agree with that. I also think it is childish to believe that humans can put a system together in any period that is 100% perfect.

 

[BUnit1701]

I agree with that. I also think it is childish to believe that humans can put a system together in any period that is 100% perfect.

What I find ironic is that now that we have the most accurate system ever, the death penalty is unacceptable. 100 years ago no one had a problem with the inaccuracy.

 

[LunarRay]

What I find ironic is that now that we have the most accurate system ever, the death penalty is unacceptable. 100 years ago no one had a problem with the inaccuracy.

How about looking at it in the light that YOU have been convicted. You know your status but the rest of us figure you're guilty... Why is it so imperative that the death penalty be on the table? Why not simply remove the person from society? Are we better off terminating someone as if we ride on the pale horse of justice. They used to hang horsey thieves years ago... Maybe we should extend that to shop lifting.

 

[poofyhairguy]

What I find ironic is that now that we have the most accurate system ever, the death penalty is unacceptable. 100 years ago no one had a problem with the inaccuracy.

100 years ago child labor was acceptable and black people had different bathrooms and schools. Its called progress.

 

[HomerJS]

System working well. Another innocent man is freed after facing death for decades.


There are no examples of execution of anyone that are later factually proven innocent past 30 years.

Working well, really? Can we throw yo ass in jail for 30 years for a mere $250K??

 

[SolMiester]

I've said it before, and I will repeat, gettng rid of the death penalty is at best a band aid. Instead we need to fix the broken system that convicts innocent people.

I agree with this, and for those that state there is no 100%, what do you call being caught red handed as there are a number of those....

The problem is the prosecution can get caught up in who they think done the deed and then go get evidence to their theory. Until that is resolved, unbiased cases will continue.

 

[Fern]

It's a little ironic that now that we have developed technology which can be effectively used to separate the innocent from the guilty we use that as proof against the DP. We will no longer be trying people with the old technology, but using the new.

Personally, while I think in some cases the DP is warranted, I'm doubt it's worth since the whole thing has become not much more than a bonanza for trial lawyers while the inmate goes through years and years of cases thus avoiding execution. In some cases they'll die of old age before a resolution.

Fern

 

[zinfamous]

System working well. Another innocent man is freed after facing death for decades.


There are no examples of execution of anyone that are later factually proven innocent past 30 years.

you must not read.

also, how is having decades of your life stolen an example of "system working well"?

are you trolling, or just really fucking stupid?

 

[Newell Steamer]

The Death Penality: It's What Made Pro-Lifers Change Their Name To Anti-Abortionists.

 

[BUnit1701]

How about looking at it in the light that YOU have been convicted. You know your status but the rest of us figure you're guilty... Why is it so imperative that the death penalty be on the table? Why not simply remove the person from society? Are we better off terminating someone as if we ride on the pale horse of justice. They used to hang horsey thieves years ago... Maybe we should extend that to shop lifting.

You may be OK paying to house, feed, and clothe some degenerate for 40, 50, or 60 years, but I am not.

 

[bshole]

the death penality: it's what made pro-lifers change their name to anti-abortionists.

roflmfao!!!!

 

[surfsatwerk]

You may be OK paying to house, feed, and clothe some degenerate for 40, 50, or 60 years, but I am not.

:|

What about the trillion other things taxes pay for? Do those get your personal approval too?

 

[Texashiker]

The Death Penality: It's What Made Pro-Lifers Change Their Name To Anti-Abortionists.

The criminal on death row received a trial, and was convicted by a jury of his peers.

A baby is innocent.

It is a simple concept. No person shall be deprived of life, liberty or property without due process of law.


As for the opening post, what other option do we have? Eliminate the death penalty and support people in prison forever?

If the aging baby boomers are going to cost this nation a fortune in medical care, what is an aging prison population going to do?

 

[bshole]

The criminal on death row received a trial, and was convicted by a jury of his peers.

I guess there is no right or wrong in your little world. As long as it is all nice and legal, the actual guilt of the defendant means nothing to you. Thank you for admitting that.

 

[BoberFett]

The Death Penality: It's What Made Pro-Lifers Change Their Name To Anti-Abortionists.

roflmfao!!!!

I'll be right back guys, I've got to the bathroom and drop a Newell Steamer out of my bshole.