Wife having problems with amalgams (silver+mercury)

SagaLore

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My wife's family never took care of their teeth - so by the time she was in college every molar had about 4 silver fillings and a bridge replacing two teeth.

Last few years she has been experiencing symptoms associated with mercury sensitivity, and her last exam showed that the gums around one tooth were infected and the amalgam in that tooth was wearing out and causing lots of decay.

So we decided, and the dentist agreed, that she should have all of the amalgams removed and replaced with the white stuff. She needed a crown on the infected tooth - there was too much amalgam in it already to fix it.

We get a quote for all the upper teeth (she'll do the lower teeth next year to split up what the insurance will cover). We have to pay the difference in advance to get a small discount. We do this and make the appointment. A few days before we find out that the appointment was only for the right half of the top, and to do the whole top we need to pay more $$$. Okay we do this. They tell us the procedure will take about 2.5 hours.

So they numb her up, but for some reason don't use gas. She has her jaw crammed open and are drilling out the mercury. It is vaporizing and causing a terrible smell (she gags easily), with bits of metal and sparks flying everywhere. So she's breathing it, and undoubtably swallowing some of it. There is a dental dam but nothing else to catch the bits except for that sucky thing (she decides not to swallow at all). They didn't give her eyeware so stuff is bouncing onto/off her face.

Halfway through, the dentist gets called to take care of other patients. She counts the clock. Jaw stuck open, sucky thing still on and beginning to bruise inside of her cheek. 20 minutes go by. He stops in to ask if she's alright. She nods.

More time goes by. He comes back and does a few more teeth. A buddy of his stops by. He leaves to go hang out with him for awhile. Another twenty minutes.

At this point my wife is getting mad. She is impatient to begin with, but also panics easily, so she's left in this chair with her jaw still crammed open. Third time he comes in to ask if she's okay, she coughs a No, and he asks what is wrong. She says just hurry. He says that he's with another patient right now, if she wants to finish the last tooth on her 2nd appointment she can. She says fine and they clean up.

cliffs:

- they screw around with how much the procedure costs, hurting our cash flow
- they don't use laughing gas
- they aren't carefully removing the mercury, fumes and pieces flying everywhere
- he decides to go work on other patients just leaving her there
- almost 3 hours and they didn't even finish
- she is pissed off, but when she realizes how funny she looks when she tries to smile, she starts gigglying uncontrollably
- she calls me this morning saying she's feeling sick and can still smell the fumes
- they schedule her followup appointment for a permanent crown two days before Thanksgiving!

:brokenheart:

update Nov 14:

Time to add to the list! Friday on her way home from work, her temporary crown came loose. She called the dentist office and asked if she could stop by so they could re-cement it. The secretary said that she'd have to wait until Monday, because the Dr. L (the main dentist) was not in. She asked if any of the assistants could do it, but she said no. No referral to another dentist or anything - she just had to wait all weekend with an exposed tooth.

So that night we go to CVS to get some orajel, hoping that with ease the sensitivity (which is causing pain). We see that they sell crown cements you can use yourself until you can get to the dentist for a permanent fix. We give that a try, and it works great. I put it on myself which only took a few minutes.

Monday, this morning, her crown falls out again. Luckily she kept the appointment to have it put back on. She goes in at 8. Guess who does it for her? An assistant. First the assistant can't figure out how to get the crown back on, because she says she has to make another one because it is not fitting (my wife tells her I got it on fine). And she's using a metal pick to scrap off old cement right off my wife's exposed tooth (ouch)! She finally gets it in there, but manages to glue her gloves to my wife's lips. After ripping the gloves off (ouch!), she gets the crown on, but manages to glue her gloves to the crown. She has to take it back off to get the gloves off and try again.

1 hour later, the crown is on, her lips hurt, her mouth is bloody, and she can finally head to work.

Also, I need to add because I didn't hear about it until later - my wife says when she was in the first time and they were trying to put on the crown, the lady dropped it and it almost went down her throat. She had to cough it back up.

Since she already paid for the crown, we have to let them finish, then we're going to find another dentist for the bottom teeth. And I'm going to write a very detailed letter to send to them and the ADA.
 

yobarman

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That sucks. It's like going to mechanic... you never know what you're getting until the procedure is over.

I hate the Dentist usually, but mine is really cool... and her daughter is pretty cute
 

moshquerade

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she shouldn't have said she was ok when he first asked.
if a dentist knows someone is feeling nervous about the procedure he should be much more attentive than this dentist was.

she should tell the dentist how she feels in the first place. '
also he can prescribe a med to help her relax before the next appt.
 

Gravity

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I'm going to the dentist today. I really, really hate it.

I'm taking my mp3 player though. It might help.
 

SagaLore

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Originally posted by: moshquerade
she shouldn't have said she was ok when he first asked.
if a dentist knows someone is feeling nervous about the procedure he should be much more attentive than this dentist was.

she should tell the dentist how she feels in the first place. '
also he can prescribe a med to help her relax before the next appt.

She was fine the first time, but then she started to panic. It was hard for her to communicate with her mouth crammed open, an air intake on in her mouth and other stuff in her mouth. She says she started dripping tears from her eyes but didn't want to move because she was afraid it would mess something up.
 

SagaLore

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Originally posted by: Gravity
I'm going to the dentist today. I really, really hate it.

I'm taking my mp3 player though. It might help.

This dentist office has TV's in almost every room but she managed to be in the room that didn't have one.
 

vailr

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Sounds like an idiot dentist, for allowing the amalgam material & fumes
to go scattering about, without sufficient regards to the health effects.
Try a Google search for "biological dentist", for a better dentist in your area.
Here's a video to watch (concerns the dangers of dental mercury, 70 MB):
Smoking Tooth Video
As shown in the film: Ideally, both patient and dentist should be using special breathing masks while removing dental amalgam.
 

SagaLore

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Originally posted by: sic wil
oh god, i have 7 of those symptoms....wtf...I'm kinda uneasy now

Don't jump to conclusions though - we've had some healthy debates here in ATOT about amalgams and mercury poisoning. We do consume a lot more mercury naturally from food - but the real quesiton is, what is worse - ingesting mercury, or breathing mercury (vapors from amalgams).
 

Kalmah

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It's illigal for nobody to be in the operatory with her while something is being done. It's an OSHA regulation. A dentist or hygienist must be present at all times with the patient.

I don't know, but something tells me she shouldn't be paying for that next visit. (which wouldn't need to be done if he would have done what he was suppose to)

It seems that many offices are switching over to composite fillings over amalgams anyways. They don't last as long as amalgams and are softer. But look nicer and don't have mercury. (price is a bit higher, or should be anyways)

Anyways, I'm almost certain that was illigal. Anything could have happened while he was in the other room.
 

Vic

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Crappy dentist. But then again you should have known that when he sold you into that "amalgams are dangerous, let me replace all your non-visible amalgams with weaker and more expensive composites to my phat profit" bullsh!t. Sue if you must, I would prefer to see less of those unethical dentists around.
 

SagaLore

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Originally posted by: Vic
Crappy dentist. But then again you should have known that when he sold you into that "amalgams are dangerous, let me replace all your non-visible amalgams with weaker and more expensive composites to my phat profit" bullsh!t. Sue if you must, I would prefer to see less of those unethical dentists around.

He didn't sell us on anything, we asked to have them removed. Not because OMG WATCH OUT MERCURY! But because she really was having issues with it.
 

SagaLore

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My wife just called to let me know - her front tooth was sore for some reason, so she looked in the mirror and found a piece of amalgam stuck in her gums. Nice!
 

ColdFusion718

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Oh crap: vomiting, gastritis, colitis, bloating, persistent flatulence, excessive salivation, abdominal pain, depression, anger, irritability, sleep disturbance, headaches, heart attack, dizziness, speech disorders, leg cramps, clumsiness, bad breath, fatigue and irritability ? just to name some of the 125 which have been documented so far.

I have a combination of all those symptoms all the time. I used to speak very smoothly and now I stutter all the time when I speak. I have the metal fillings on almost all of my molars. I'm thinking this is the reason I've been getting this feeling that I am slowly losing the ability to use my brain effectively... what do you guys think?
 

SagaLore

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I filled out a form on OSHA's site asking for any regulation information they have for the ADA. So we'll see what kind of response I get...
 

SagaLore

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Time to add to the list! Friday on her way home from work, her temporary crown came loose. She called the dentist office and asked if she could stop by so they could re-cement it. The secretary said that she'd have to wait until Monday, because the Dr. L (the main dentist) was not in. She asked if any of the assistants could do it, but she said no. No referral to another dentist or anything - she just had to wait all weekend with an exposed tooth.

So that night we go to CVS to get some orajel, hoping that with ease the sensitivity (which is causing pain). We see that they sell crown cements you can use yourself until you can get to the dentist for a permanent fix. We give that a try, and it works great. I put it on myself which only took a few minutes.

Monday, this morning, her crown falls out again. Luckily she kept the appointment to have it put back on. She goes in at 8. Guess who does it for her? An assistant. First the assistant can't figure out how to get the crown back on, because she says she has to make another one because it is not fitting (my wife tells her I got it on fine). And she's using a metal pick to scrap off old cement right off my wife's exposed tooth (ouch)! She finally gets it in there, but manages to glue her gloves to my wife's lips. After ripping the gloves off (ouch!), she gets the crown on, but manages to glue her gloves to the crown. She has to take it back off to get the gloves off and try again.

1 hour later, the crown is on, her lips hurt, her mouth is bloody, and she can finally head to work.

Also, I need to add because I didn't hear about it until later - my wife says when she was in the first time and they were trying to put on the crown, the lady dropped it and it almost went down her throat. She had to cough it back up.

Since she already paid for the crown, we have to let them finish, then we're going to find another dentist for the bottom teeth. And I'm going to write a very detailed letter to send to them and the ADA.
 

Reel

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That is awful. I feel really bad for your wife. This dentist needs to have a black mark on his record at the least. Good luck.
 

myusername

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Jesus dude, you keep sending her back to this quack - are you trying to collect an insuance policy on her or something?
 

moshquerade

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Originally posted by: SagaLore
Time to add to the list! Friday on her way home from work, her temporary crown came loose. She called the dentist office and asked if she could stop by so they could re-cement it. The secretary said that she'd have to wait until Monday, because the Dr. L (the main dentist) was not in. She asked if any of the assistants could do it, but she said no. No referral to another dentist or anything - she just had to wait all weekend with an exposed tooth.

So that night we go to CVS to get some orajel, hoping that with ease the sensitivity (which is causing pain). We see that they sell crown cements you can use yourself until you can get to the dentist for a permanent fix. We give that a try, and it works great. I put it on myself which only took a few minutes.

Monday, this morning, her crown falls out again. Luckily she kept the appointment to have it put back on. She goes in at 8. Guess who does it for her? An assistant. First the assistant can't figure out how to get the crown back on, because she says she has to make another one because it is not fitting (my wife tells her I got it on fine). And she's using a metal pick to scrap off old cement right off my wife's exposed tooth (ouch)! She finally gets it in there, but manages to glue her gloves to my wife's lips. After ripping the gloves off (ouch!), she gets the crown on, but manages to glue her gloves to the crown. She has to take it back off to get the gloves off and try again.

1 hour later, the crown is on, her lips hurt, her mouth is bloody, and she can finally head to work.

Also, I need to add because I didn't hear about it until later - my wife says when she was in the first time and they were trying to put on the crown, the lady dropped it and it almost went down her throat. She had to cough it back up.

Since she already paid for the crown, we have to let them finish, then we're going to find another dentist for the bottom teeth. And I'm going to write a very detailed letter to send to them and the ADA.
who is this dentist? he should be on call for his patient's emergencies or have someone covering for him.

i have never heard of someone getting their gloves glued to anything. the cement used to re-cement crowns is not like glue.

nonetheless, it sounds like a horrible experience for your wife, and i agree with you writing letters of concern.
 
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