Originally posted by: goobee
She was a Systems Analyst for many years and they did away with that position. She volunteered to go into a claims department and learn how to handle claims. Before she fully completed the training, they decided to hire trainees. This company makes you sign "At Will" employment contracts so that they can terminate you without cause.
Originally posted by: cjchaps
Originally posted by: FDF12389
Originally posted by: hanoverphist
Originally posted by: amdhunter
That sucks. What do you mean they needed new blood? They just replaced her like nothing?
i watched an IT dept escort 10 techs out the door a couple months ago, some with major seniority as well as higher placed positions. all based on a consultants recommendations in canada, since another IT dept could handle a heavier workload in a different building with less employees. they didnt take into account the amount of work each building had, and that the IT dept here was already backlogged on work due to previous cuts. 40 employees for about 3k workstations isnt too many, IMO.
My company does 1000k with 8 plus a manager.
Mine does 8.6 trillion stations with -6.4 plus a team lead.
Originally posted by: SacrosanctFiend
Originally posted by: Uppsala9496
Originally posted by: goobee
She had 21 years in the company but management decided they needed new blood and gave her the boot. I guess years and years of prior good service means squat these days. The company is heavily into outsourcing and quite a few others have had to bite the bullet as well.
Going from 2 incomes to 1 is pretty tough. Looks like we'll need to offset some of the loss from our savings. Finding another job is going to be tough, age discrimination is going to be a tough hurdle.
Can anyone recommend some good head hunters in So. CA?
Thanks.
In CA, all your wife has to do is go to the EEOC and claim age discrimination as a reason for being let go. Toss in gender while you are at it. That results in an investigation into the company. Most likely a "no fault" will be found however you get a "right to sue" ruling.
Turn around and hit up a lawyer. In CA, judgements are crazy. The 9th circuit in my opinion is way too liberal and that works in your favor.
I know, suing is not always the answer. But when a company decides to can someone for no reason ("at will" is a joke), a lawsuit seems to be the only recourse.
I say this as being an underwriter for employment practices liability. We are the carrier that defends the companies, and I still say sue (we pay when the deductible is met).
So, sue for something that didn't happen? Great advice...
Originally posted by: AreaCode707
Originally posted by: goobee
She was a Systems Analyst for many years and they did away with that position. She volunteered to go into a claims department and learn how to handle claims. Before she fully completed the training, they decided to hire trainees. This company makes you sign "At Will" employment contracts so that they can terminate you without cause.
States are "at will" or "not at will", not specific companies. CA is an at-will state.
Anyhow, depending on her level this may be too high of a headhunter to contact, but Strada Corp does good work. They handle a lot more than is posted on their site, so it's worth a resume submission.
Originally posted by: Uppsala9496
Originally posted by: TheoPetro
Originally posted by: Uppsala9496
Originally posted by: goobee
She had 21 years in the company but management decided they needed new blood and gave her the boot. I guess years and years of prior good service means squat these days. The company is heavily into outsourcing and quite a few others have had to bite the bullet as well.
Going from 2 incomes to 1 is pretty tough. Looks like we'll need to offset some of the loss from our savings. Finding another job is going to be tough, age discrimination is going to be a tough hurdle.
Can anyone recommend some good head hunters in So. CA?
Thanks.
In CA, all your wife has to do is go to the EEOC and claim age discrimination as a reason for being let go. Toss in gender while you are at it. That results in an investigation into the company. Most likely a "no fault" will be found however you get a "right to sue" ruling.
Turn around and hit up a lawyer. In CA, judgements are crazy. The 9th circuit in my opinion is way too liberal and that works in your favor.
I know, suing is not always the answer. But when a company decides to can someone for no reason ("at will" is a joke), a lawsuit seems to be the only recourse.
I say this as being an underwriter for employment practices liability. We are the carrier that defends the companies, and I still say sue (we pay when the deductible is met).
why not throw in sexual harassment and race too. hell anything to beat the system. who cares if this is the whole story or if the company had a legitimate reason for letting her go that wasnt fully explained...
"down with big business!!!" o wait BIG BUSINESS IS WHAT PAYS YOU AND MOST OF THE TAXES IN THIS COUNTRY
I work for the big, bad, evil insurance company. I see claims like this come across my desk on a daily basis. Sometimes the company did nothing wrong. Sometimes the company decided to screw over a hard working employee to save some money. Life isn't fair.
I said toss in gender while you are at it because any lawyer worth a shit is going to say the same thing. They tack on as many claims as they can. Some stick, some don't.
Disregard the "at will" statement signed. At will basically means nothing more than there is no employment contract. Doesn't mean you can't bring a suit for wrongful termination/discrimination.
OP stated that his wife was given the opportunity to train in a new deptartment but was let go to hire trainee's (for less money I am assuming). That right there is discrimination. You may not like it, but the courts are filled with cases like this and some (not saying all) are legitimate and deserve to be there. I'm not a lawyer. I don't know all the facts to this. I have just see these kinds of things day and day out for the past 7 years.
Most, if not all settle for something. Nuisance claim for the company and for the insurance carrier, but a simple $5,000 to $25,000 go away payment is far cheaper than defending the claim in court. Hell, the comapny could lose there and pay upwards of a couple hundreds of thousands of dollars.
Originally posted by: Geekbabe
Some companies get rid of people right at the age they figure they're due
to start developing major health problems. Those trainee's are not only cheaper wages
they're also not likely to jack the company's health insurance costs up by having the
nerve to get cancer or another catsstrophic illness.
Originally posted by: Agentbolt
Originally posted by: FDF12389
Originally posted by: hanoverphist
Originally posted by: amdhunter
That sucks. What do you mean they needed new blood? They just replaced her like nothing?
i watched an IT dept escort 10 techs out the door a couple months ago, some with major seniority as well as higher placed positions. all based on a consultants recommendations in canada, since another IT dept could handle a heavier workload in a different building with less employees. they didnt take into account the amount of work each building had, and that the IT dept here was already backlogged on work due to previous cuts. 40 employees for about 3k workstations isnt too many, IMO.
My company does 1000k with 8 plus a manager.
What is is about ATOT that makes people claim these outrageous, completely bullshit things? Did you really think anyone would believe those numbers? Do you think you've somehow impressed anyone with your completely inability to either count or at least gauge your ability to lie reasonably? Christ.
Originally posted by: Uppsala9496
Originally posted by: AreaCode707
Originally posted by: goobee
She was a Systems Analyst for many years and they did away with that position. She volunteered to go into a claims department and learn how to handle claims. Before she fully completed the training, they decided to hire trainees. This company makes you sign "At Will" employment contracts so that they can terminate you without cause.
States are "at will" or "not at will", not specific companies. CA is an at-will state.
Anyhow, depending on her level this may be too high of a headhunter to contact, but Strada Corp does good work. They handle a lot more than is posted on their site, so it's worth a resume submission.
I understand the whole "at will" concept. It's what I deal with for a living. All "at will" means is that a employment contract is not in place. Sure, you can have contract employee's in a "at will" state. All the state is saying is that every employee is not a contract worker unless specified. Saves them the trouble of dealing with breach of contract suits every time someone is terminated (with or without cause).
OP, good luck to your wife. My whole point here was to say don't feel ashamed by talking to a lawyer about the situation. I don't presume to know what went on with the termination, but sometimes companies decide to let the hard working go for no reason, and sometimes they have alterior motives for the move.
Originally posted by: JS80
That's baloney. As liberal as CA is, 95% of these types of cases lose.
He went to a lawyer who more or less said unless you had an email that literally called him a beloved patriot, he had a 5% chance of winning in court PLUS he'd be blacklisted from Wall St if it even went to court.
Originally posted by: Uppsala9496
Originally posted by: AreaCode707
Originally posted by: goobee
She was a Systems Analyst for many years and they did away with that position. She volunteered to go into a claims department and learn how to handle claims. Before she fully completed the training, they decided to hire trainees. This company makes you sign "At Will" employment contracts so that they can terminate you without cause.
States are "at will" or "not at will", not specific companies. CA is an at-will state.
Anyhow, depending on her level this may be too high of a headhunter to contact, but Strada Corp does good work. They handle a lot more than is posted on their site, so it's worth a resume submission.
I understand the whole "at will" concept. It's what I deal with for a living. All "at will" means is that a employment contract is not in place. Sure, you can have contract employee's in a "at will" state. All the state is saying is that every employee is not a contract worker unless specified. Saves them the trouble of dealing with breach of contract suits every time someone is terminated (with or without cause).
OP, good luck to your wife. My whole point here was to say don't feel ashamed by talking to a lawyer about the situation. I don't presume to know what went on with the termination, but sometimes companies decide to let the hard working go for no reason, and sometimes they have alterior motives for the move.
Originally posted by: MotionMan
Originally posted by: JS80
That's baloney. As liberal as CA is, 95% of these types of cases lose.
What are you basing that on?
He went to a lawyer who more or less said unless you had an email that literally called him a beloved patriot, he had a 5% chance of winning in court PLUS he'd be blacklisted from Wall St if it even went to court.
That is one lawyer's opinion.
This California lawyer believes that your post has 95% more baloney than any of the previous posts.
MotionMan
Originally posted by: rh71
Originally posted by: MotionMan
Originally posted by: JS80
That's baloney. As liberal as CA is, 95% of these types of cases lose.
What are you basing that on?
He went to a lawyer who more or less said unless you had an email that literally called him a beloved patriot, he had a 5% chance of winning in court PLUS he'd be blacklisted from Wall St if it even went to court.
That is one lawyer's opinion.
This California lawyer believes that your post has 95% more baloney than any of the previous posts.
MotionMan
it's bologna... the best mispelled word in the English language.
Originally posted by: hiromizu
Originally posted by: Geekbabe
Some companies get rid of people right at the age they figure they're due
to start developing major health problems. Those trainee's are not only cheaper wages
they're also not likely to jack the company's health insurance costs up by having the
nerve to get cancer or another catsstrophic illness.
Sad but true.
In my company, people just die right around 45 so it's pretty clean cut.