Wife wants to go back to Med School...having troubles with the math on this.

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jhu

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I'm sorry but there are VERY few doctors out there that will look at you in your eyes and say "you should probably work on losing weight, eating health or physical activity before we go to the extreme and give you medication".

Don't know where you're getting your healthcare, but every doc on the west coast tells their patients they should lose weight, change their lifestyle, etc. Patients just don't care to.

People themselves are probably THE biggest problem. Let's face it, we don't live healthy lifestyles and our entire society wants us to be unhealthy (fast food etc).

This is exactly right. People just don't want to do what it takes to be healthy. No amount of education will make sodas less tasty.
 

hans007

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I think it might eat at her her whole life if she doesn't do it.

My dad left my brother and mother when I was 2 to go to america and start a real career and had to sponsor us over. I had no idea what my dad looked like until I was 6 as he couldn't return to his home country due to some issues.

I don't know its kind of strange not having those memories but your kids will survive and they will still see their mother occasionally. I don't know I think she should have done it in the first place instead of pharmacy but that's done and over with. I know it will eat at her her whole life. I think money wise it'll work out in your favor but it'll be tough. Then again giving up your dreams and being reminded of it daily is too .
 
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OverVolt

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I think it might eat at her her whole life if she doesn't do it.

My dad left my brother and mother when I was 2 to go to america and start a real career and had to sponsor us over. I had no idea what my dad looked like until I was 6 as he couldn't return to his home country due to some issues.

I don't know its kind of strange not having those memories but your kids will survive and they will still see their mother occasionally. I don't know I think she should have done it in the first place instead of pharmacy but that's done and over with. I know it will eat at her her whole life. I think money wise it'll work out in your favor but it'll be tough. Then again giving up your dreams and being reminded of it daily is too .
It depends if its really what she has a passion for, or if she is just doing it for money and just telling herself she has a passion for it.
 

hans007

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It depends if its really what she has a passion for, or if she is just doing it for money and just telling herself she has a passion for it.


true i suppose if she really was passionate she'd have gone into it from the start and not be so wishy washy. hard to say though, people change as they get through their 20s.


also as to the pharmD bubble.... pretty interesting to me. though i do know a girl who just got hers and they do get paid pretty well probably 100k starting it seems like.

wasnt really sure it made sense though. i mean i'm a programmer, it doesnt seem like it'd be that hard to program a robot to pick all the pills and count them with all the edge cases but i'm guessing theres more to it than that at least for some of the more specialized pharmacists (girl i know is an ICU one, not like a CVS / walgreens person)
 

Hayabusa Rider

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true i suppose if she really was passionate she'd have gone into it from the start and not be so wishy washy. hard to say though, people change as they get through their 20s.


also as to the pharmD bubble.... pretty interesting to me. though i do know a girl who just got hers and they do get paid pretty well probably 100k starting it seems like.

wasnt really sure it made sense though. i mean i'm a programmer, it doesnt seem like it'd be that hard to program a robot to pick all the pills and count them with all the edge cases but i'm guessing theres more to it than that at least for some of the more specialized pharmacists (girl i know is an ICU one, not like a CVS / walgreens person)

Yeah there's a lot more to it. Anyone could be a pharmacist by counting pills as much as they could be a programmer because they can type. Medication and their actions on people is complex, contextual and varies between individuals. There is no machine to date which posesses judgement. Computers help keep track, but they are not nearly capable enough.
 

ControlD

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Yeah there's a lot more to it. Anyone could be a pharmacist by counting pills as much as they could be a programmer because they can type. Medication and their actions on people is complex, contextual and varies between individuals. There is no machine to date which posesses judgement. Computers help keep track, but they are not nearly capable enough.

Exactly. And for the record there are already robots that handle some of the more mundane tasks like sorting / picking pills. Probably not at your local corner pharmacy, but many hospitals have them. This frees up the pharmacist for more important things like checking the doctor's orders and looking for interactions and patient safety.
 

Vdubchaos

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Exactly. And for the record there are already robots that handle some of the more mundane tasks like sorting / picking pills. Probably not at your local corner pharmacy, but many hospitals have them. This frees up the pharmacist for more important things like checking the doctor's orders and looking for interactions and patient safety.

Pharmacies are staring to buy them/have them as robberies have gone up past 5-10 years.

It's the new trend going forward....
 

Vdubchaos

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There's a fundamental shift in healthcare to move towards reimbursement for outcomes vs. reimbursement for service. Everything is about analytics and data gathering now. For the last few years the more progressive healthcare systems have been data mining their EMR's and digging into outcomes that the feds are going to key on. They have this data ready and are starting to put plans in place. Other systems are in the process of creating analytic departments to catch up.

But the shift is to move toward shorter hospital stays, less bounce backs, and readmits. That's the whole concept of the Accountable Care act. It's just that there is so much data out there it's easy to hide bad practices. You need to know what you are looking for and what the real cause is behind the scenes for it.

As for what the new gig gets her...well her new boss actually writes some of the nationally published treatment guidelines and best practice lessons that pharmacists are supposed to be following. It's just a much more progressive system that empowers her profession more and allows them to practice more effectively.

Now it's starting to sound more like a sound decision on your/your wife's part. Sorry to be so rough on you in previous posts, I knew there was some good reason behind it all.
 

alkemyst

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Yeah there's a lot more to it. Anyone could be a pharmacist by counting pills as much as they could be a programmer because they can type. Medication and their actions on people is complex, contextual and varies between individuals. There is no machine to date which posesses judgement. Computers help keep track, but they are not nearly capable enough.

QFT, in the Pharmacies I have worked in the actual Pharmacist only counted the controlled medications themselves. Everything else a tech did...the Pharmacist always was the one to check the medication though.
 

hcm11

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@tortillasoup - thank you for being one of the few to politely give your opinion.
To all the other incredibly rude people, I am so very glad you are not my doctor.
Also, to those who think 5-10 years of hard work isn't worth it later in life, no wonder you are so miserable.
No, I didn't go to med school b/c yes, I prefer to spend more time with my children. Happily, I continued with my own business and now earn 1/2 what my intended specialty earns but only work 25 hours/week while making my own schedule.
Maybe I'll go to med school when the kids are grown, maybe not, but I'll be a lot kinder to the younger ones looking for advice than most of you have been.
 

MagnusTheBrewer

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There's two schools of thought on this situation. The first, commonly held, almost universal ATO T outlook is ANY job that allows you to retire early with lots of toys is the winner. Putting relationships, life and, personal happiness on hold until that halcyon future day is willingly accepted. The second school of thought is following your dreams because only then can you realize your true potential as a person. The second school of thought also believes that following any lesser course of action is settling for security at the cost of personal growth. Personally, I've often wondered why security is the watch word of today's 'youts?' Exactly what cataclysmic, life changing events have they lived through to give them that perspective? Perhaps it's just the internet culture showing it's true colors.
 

edro

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ER doctors have no life. Hours are horrible and life is a blur. Work comes before family.
My quick opinion is that she should stay doing what she is doing.

$125k as half the income is nice!

edit: damnit... necroed

Now I gotta read up on what was decided.
 

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Wow blast from the past. Yeah, we moved to a different state and she's stayed in Pharmacy. Her new gig has allowed her infinitely more options than the old one. Just today she was presenting topics at a state level with representation by the heads of national clinical organizations present. She's also had articles published in national journals since moving down here. I think her and another cardiologist are going to team up and write an article to the New York Times soon explaining how horrible the trend is with capital groups buying up drug rights and raising the prices 100x or more. Some drugs used they have to use used to cost a couple dollars a day. A capital group bought the rights to it and now it's over $15,000 a day for the same drug.

The one venture capitalist is getting hammered in the media for that HIV drug right now, but they've been seeing this in other areas for years.

She's been doing well for herself here.
 

Hugo Drax

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TBH it doesnt sound worth it for what you would have to give up for 7 years

If she was content with her life, she would not be doing this. Looks like she is only think about herself and screw everything else.

I don't see a good outcome.

Looks like you dodged a bullet.
 
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MongGrel

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Good to hear it has worked out well.

Didn't notice it was a necro myself at first.
 
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