Wii USB powered Dual Charging Dock-$18

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CZroe

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Originally posted by: palswim
Usually, I wait for no good reason. But hey, the price dropped and now I buy!

Same here. That's why I missed them before they went out of stock. I left a tab open and refreshed everyday and when they came back, I still didn't order them... for no good reason. Then, the price dropped and now I have two on the way along with some super-cheap RAZR V3 car chargers. It's like I have a sense or something!
 

Shame

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Originally posted by: GeneralS
Got mine pretty quick too.

Originally posted by: snaber
Just to let everyone know it does charge the remotes if the system is on standby but not if the system is turned off. I just got it yesterday and had to try it out.
Any reason one couldn't just plug a 5v supply into the dock?

Good question. I took cKGunslinger for his word and ordered one as well. An external powersource would be sweet...
 

CZroe

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OK, I've come to the conclusion that these are garbage. I'm not saying that they aren't worth the price, but that they really missed the boat on what these could have been. They have pretty much the same flaws as every one of their competitors. I can only think of two "good" aspects: They took the design of the Wii controller into consideration and actually used the slots on the side and the battery packs fit and work in Nintendo's GameCube Wavebird Wireless controller (for wireless Gamecube gaming on your Wii or GCN).

The battery covers don't fit well or match color (my charge-through battery covers are tinted beige, but this may vary by manufacturing lot).
I have three of the four varieties of Nintendo-issued Wii straps (not the pseudo-official BD&A "Switch 'n' Carry" crap)... only the original snap-prone strap from 2006 fits well enough to be tolerable.

The rest of this post has been deleted for giving away too many marketable ideas.
 

palswim

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Originally posted by: CZroe
OK, I've come to the conclusion that these are garbage. I'm not saying that they aren't worth the price, but that they really missed the boat on what these could have been. They have pretty much the same flaws as every one of their competitors. I can only think of two "good" aspects: They took the design of the Wii controller into consideration and actually used the slots on the side and the battery packs fit and work in Nintendo's GameCube Wavebird Wireless controller (for wireless Gamecube gaming on your Wii or GCN).

The battery covers don't fit well or match color (my charge-through battery covers are tinted beige, but this may vary by manufacturing lot).
I have three of the four varieties of Nintendo-issued Wii straps (not the pseudo-official BD&A "Switch 'n' Carry" crap)... only the original snap-prone strap from 2006 fits well enough to be tolerable.

The rest of this post has been deleted for giving away too many marketable ideas.

I did notice the slight discoloration, but what other flaws do we mean?
 

cKGunslinger

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Originally posted by: Shame
Originally posted by: GeneralS
Got mine pretty quick too.

Originally posted by: snaber
Just to let everyone know it does charge the remotes if the system is on standby but not if the system is turned off. I just got it yesterday and had to try it out.
Any reason one couldn't just plug a 5v supply into the dock?

Good question. I took cKGunslinger for his word and ordered one as well. An external powersource would be sweet...

It may be late, but I wanted to add that I, too, have the original wrist straps.

Are the newer straps so different that they get in the way?
 

CZroe

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Originally posted by: palswim
Originally posted by: CZroe
OK, I've come to the conclusion that these are garbage. I'm not saying that they aren't worth the price, but that they really missed the boat on what these could have been. They have pretty much the same flaws as every one of their competitors. I can only think of two "good" aspects: They took the design of the Wii controller into consideration and actually used the slots on the side and the battery packs fit and work in Nintendo's GameCube Wavebird Wireless controller (for wireless Gamecube gaming on your Wii or GCN).

The battery covers don't fit well or match color (my charge-through battery covers are tinted beige, but this may vary by manufacturing lot).
I have three of the four varieties of Nintendo-issued Wii straps (not the pseudo-official BD&A "Switch 'n' Carry" crap)... only the original snap-prone strap from 2006 fits well enough to be tolerable.

The rest of this post has been deleted for giving away too many marketable ideas.

I did notice the slight discoloration, but what other flaws do we mean?

They are too marketable to discuss in public. Not for personal gain, but they are less likely to bother if their competitors are working on the same things after seeing them here (Mad Catz even has a product suggestion form).

They returned my call and I talked with the manufacturer about them for over an hour and they seemed very interested in hearing what I had to say. At the very least, expect a revised package or sticker mentioning that they work with the Wavebird wireless controller (they say they were already revising the package with other enhancements), though I suggested a gang charger for charging an extra battery pack without a Wii remote... he suggested that it charge standard double AA batteries OR a battery pack, though that wouldn't sell more battery packs! Silly man needs to think like a marketing and then pass that on to the engineers!

One question: Why can you find a $50 Nyko premium four-controller charger for the PS3 and not for the Wii? I have three PS3 controllers and all but the included one remain sealed because there isn't a single multiplayer game I want to use them with. I will be returning one or both tomorrow in anticipation of an inevitable enhanced force-feedback controller in the near future (no reason to stick with these). The PS3 doesn't even need a charger set because the controller already has a battery and all the dock is, is a set of USB cables and plastic. $50. For plastic and wires. Yeah. There's no reason why the Wii can't get something more comparable when there are so many more and there is so much more reason to own a full set of controllers.

Giving the dock storage for charged batteries and a gang charger means that it could get away with only one controller dock while potentially servicing EIGHT Wii/GameCube controller devices or more (the Wii supports four GC controllers and four Wii Remotes)... one of Nintendo's other products has a similar battery compartment, though I've been told that the official Japanese battery pack will not fit the Wavebird. It also means that you could use the original battery cap if you so-pleased because you would not NEED a battery cap to charge the batteries.

As for charging them inside the controllers in the intended cradle style, I had ideas for that too. SHHH!
 

palswim

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I, too, have thought about these docks.

Instead of using the Wii's USB ports (or even my computer's USB ports), could I simply plug these in to a powered USB hub?

I know I could use a few of these, but could I use this instead? I assume these hubs don't require an incoming USB connection, so this would work, yes?
 

palswim

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Originally posted by: tydas
huh?

So, the plug that the dock provides is a USB-to-5v plug. Plugging the USB end into the Wii USB ports will provide the power that the docks need.

However, I want to keep my Wii USB ports free, so I want to find other USB ports into which to plug my docks. I could use my computer's USB ports, but I'd rather not. I could buy AC-to-USB adapters, which are pretty cool and not too expensive.

But the cheapest non-Wii, non-computer option seems to be a powered USB hub. Normally, to use these hubs, you would connect a source USB port and the AC power source. The way I want to use it, I would not have a source USB port, just the AC power source with my docks' USB cables drawing their power from the hub's ports. So, If the hub can supply the correct amperage at 5V, then I have my answer. My only question is: did I overlook something?
 

CZroe

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Originally posted by: palswim
Originally posted by: tydas
huh?

So, the plug that the dock provides is a USB-to-5v plug. Plugging the USB end into the Wii USB ports will provide the power that the docks need.

However, I want to keep my Wii USB ports free, so I want to find other USB ports into which to plug my docks. I could use my computer's USB ports, but I'd rather not. I could buy AC-to-USB adapters, which are pretty cool and not too expensive.

But the cheapest non-Wii, non-computer option seems to be a powered USB hub. Normally, to use these hubs, you would connect a source USB port and the AC power source. The way I want to use it, I would not have a source USB port, just the AC power source with my docks' USB cables drawing their power from the hub's ports. So, If the hub can supply the correct amperage at 5V, then I have my answer. My only question is: did I overlook something?

I've charged it off my hubs when fully disconnected from a PC. Also, charged 'em off the PS3.

Does anyone else find it odd that the charger battery caps have positive and negative marked on the outside? WHY?! You certainly can't put it in backwards.
 

CZroe

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Thread resurrection!

In case anyone was wondering, my ideas mostly came to fruition. What I had edited out above was "induction charging" (like a rechargeable electric toothbrush) to fit varied configurations and devices. You know, like a surface able to charge a naked Wii Remote, Wii Remote + jacket, Wii Remote + skin, Wii Remote + Motion Plus, Wii Remote + Motion Plus + Motion Plus Jacket, Gamecube Wireless Wavebird Controller, Gameboy Advance (the third device I hinted at above), etc.

Penguin United was the manufacturer of the cheap Monoprice.com charging dock discussed in this thread and look what they have now. That's right... an inductance charger meant to work with naked, jacketed, skinned, and accessorized Wii Remotes. This arrived earlier this year. It's about time!

Not being a pad, it isn't quite as flexible as what I had in mind, but it looks like Performance Designed Products/Peripherals has the right idea there (if their battery packs were properly designed...). Their website only shows an Energizer-branded "induction" charging stand, but Wal-Mart now carries an inductance charging pad of theirs (also Energizer-branded). It's classy-lookin' too... flat black surface with silver trim like an iPhone. I bought it and the battery packs are built into Wii Remote battery doors, limiting their usefulness and making them clash with the new black Wii Remote. I guess they weren't thinking about that now that those other devices are somewhat obsolete (the Wii's GC/Wavebird compatibility was still a big deal in 2007 and GBA wasn't nearly as dead). Even so, extra battery packs would still be useful for keeping a stable of charged Wii Remotes. Unfortunately, they don't seem to have the battery packs available independently, so they stupidly ignore the fact that you don't need four spaces to maintain/charge more than two remotes (something I expressed to Penguin also; which they responded to with extra packs AND gang chargers). One of the advantages of inductance charging was that the replacement battery cap shouldn't even be necessary, eliminating the need to color match (as Penguin failed to dO), but at least it's a close style and color match with a bonus sync button pass-through. I guess it helps with the magnets that snap it into position on the charging pad and likely trigger a magnetic relay switch so that it isn't constantly wasting power (it should have a double one to cut power to the Wii Remote, but oh well). The manual stupidly tells you that you need to sync it with the Wii the first time you install them in a Wii Remote! :roll: Whatever. At least the pass-through sync button means that there is one less reason to take the skin/jacket off to access the battery compartment once you no longer need to go in there for battery replacement. FWIW, it's designed such that it can't be accidentally pressed.

As mentioned, the third product that the original Penguin battery packs would fit was the Game Boy Advance, which is actually the reason for the battery pack cross-compatibility in the first place. You see, there was an official GBA battery pack in Japan that the Wavebird and Wii Remotes were designed to accept, so the springs were designed as sloped spring-loaded contacts instead. These same spring-loaded contacts were used in the Wavebird and Wii Remote with the same bit of plastic that would block the original battery doors from closing on a generic battery pack that didn't conform to it. Penguin's original battery pack was designed such that it, too, could fit all these devices but would need a gang charger, much like Nintendo's original, to avoid having to install/remove them from charged Wii Remotes to be useful. Nintendo's required you to remove the pack and charge in the charger; it also provided storage for an extra, charged battery. It doesn't look like Penguin's inductance charger will fit these other devices and I have no idea if their new battery packs will. The reason most of the world is oblivious to the official charger and battery pack ("Pak" like everything else "Nintendo?") is that their GBA/Wavebird/Wii Remote manuals in all other regions explicitly say to use Alkaline batteries "ONLY," which doesn't leave much room for an official kit, does it?
 
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