WikiLeaks now straight up telling Americans to vote for Trump

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agent00f

Lifer
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Pretty much this. If Assange was slamming Trump, the Ds on here would be wetting themselves with unbridled elation and he'd be their hero. But did you mean Sanders vs Trump? Even if Trump hadn't run, I doubt that Jeb! would've been the nominee.

Assange is the sort of person who prioritizes his own interests, and currently the olive branch from the kremlin is more enticing than anything the US is offering.

Just because you think of the world in simple american partisan terms doesn't mean nobody else is cognizant of the situation's reality.

If I had any feeling they would be hurt.


I think the problem is more a lack of self-worth which can be shamed.
 

cytg111

Lifer
Mar 17, 2008
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Information warfare has many facets, if you dont like the story being told and you are unable to control the narrative you can always dilute the ether with massive amounts of misinformation in an attempt to drown your target. I propose this is an attempt to drown the drumpf-stories-saga(tm).
 

fskimospy

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Mar 10, 2006
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His assumption also assumes that Trump had any strategy to leak. They could possibly get hacked info from the RNC, but it would be trying to keep Trump out, not in. And anyway, most of the Republican establishment are saying those things in public. Besides, the US media is already functioning as the Democrats' October surprise.

Wonder what odds one could get on which year of the Clinton II reign Julian eats a Hellfire.

I'll bet that he never does. Seems likely he will eventually be arrested though.
 

FerrelGeek

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Jan 22, 2009
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And another completely ignorant characterization from our little dimbulb. You have no idea of the things I consider. I purposely keep things on this forum simple for ones such as yourself. So in plain and simple terms, if Assange were dishing out on Trump little dimbulbs such as yourself wouldn't care where the information came from - period.

And as for my self esteem, it's just fine as i have little time for the childish pettiness that comes from one such as yourself. The constant fretting over self esteem that comes from people like you is partly to blame for the pathetic state of many millennials and their need for a safe space. I sit comfortably at the high end of Maslow's hierarchy, as told to me by a manager during one of my reviews - right before I told him I had no more need of him and that I was going to find another job, which I did.

You're an idiot, little man; and I'm not the only one on here that thinks way about you. If you've read my posts with any level of comprehension, you know fully well I'm not partisan. I've stated plainly that I don't care for Trump. I've called the republicans 'the stupid party' on several occasions - for good reasons. So kindly put your helmet back on and go back to licking windows and eating crayons.

Assange is the sort of person who prioritizes his own interests, and currently the olive branch from the kremlin is more enticing than anything the US is offering.

Just because you think of the world in simple american partisan terms doesn't mean nobody else is cognizant of the situation's reality.

I think the problem is more a lack of self-worth which can be shamed.
 

agent00f

Lifer
Jun 9, 2016
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And another completely ignorant characterization from our little dimbulb. You have no idea of the things I consider. I purposely keep things on this forum simple for ones such as yourself. So in plain and simple terms, if Assange were dishing out on Trump little dimbulbs such as yourself wouldn't care where the information came from - period.

And as for my self esteem, it's just fine as i have little time for the childish pettiness that comes from one such as yourself. The constant fretting over self esteem that comes from people like you is partly to blame for the pathetic state of many millennials and their need for a safe space. I sit comfortably at the high end of Maslow's hierarchy, as told to me by a manager during one of my reviews - right before I told him I had no more need of him and that I was going to find another job, which I did.

You're an idiot, little man; and I'm not the only one on here that thinks way about you. If you've read my posts with any level of comprehension, you know fully well I'm not partisan. I've stated plainly that I don't care for Trump. I've called the republicans 'the stupid party' on several occasions - for good reasons. So kindly put your helmet back on and go back to licking windows and eating crayons.

The level of insecurity in this post, particularly the highlighted where the path to these people's hearts is revealed, illuminates your situation better than anyone could in a few words. Thanks.
 

yllus

Elite Member & Lifer
Aug 20, 2000
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It seems implied that Clinton is better for America than Trump. How so? Wealth inequality under democrat policies is already at critical levels. Democrats in practice are figuratively throwing gifts at the poor to placate them while the rich siphon off an every growing slice of wealth at nearly no risk. The fate of the country is actually hanging in the balance IMO.

And I have no illusions about the economy likely collapsing under trump, but the bubbles/misallocation of wealth needs to stop or else the whole thing goes down.

There are two outcomes... stop stimulating the economy and let what happens just happen and get it over with, or keep cutting rates and end up with some kind of bizarre Japanese economy where the birth rate is low because no one can afford a family.

I feel like if Japan goes under/hits full monetezation it would serve as a clear warning to the world what happens when you ignore your debt problems for too long
If Secretary Clinton continued along the same vein as President Obama - and by her outlined policies the evidence is that she would - she would continue to decrease inequality in America by significant margins; see below from The Atlantic:



Further, the non-partisan Tax Policy Center has scored the proposed Democrat (Clinton) and Republican (Trump) tax plans and have illustrated how the tax burden would shift under each:


My conclusion is that there's no way for an informed voter to consider Secretary Clinton to not be promoting a decrease in inequality.
 

FerrelGeek

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That's pretty much what said manager said about me, so frankly your infantile opinion is irrelevant. I don't live my life to make people like you happy or pine away for your approval.

I stand by my original agreement with the post I quoted. If Assange was pounding Trump (whom I've said many times that I'm not a fan), many of the Ds on here would be lapping it up and wouldn't bother the question where he got the info.

The level of insecurity in this post, particularly the highlighted where the path to these people's hearts is revealed, illuminates your situation better than anyone could in a few words. Thanks.
 

bshole

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I don't live my life to make people like you happy or pine away for your approval.

Ferrel may not but I do. Any disapprobation from any other poster on this forum aimed at me personally sends me into a depressive tailspin. I need people on here to love me, really love me and to never hate me. If you want to kick Ferrel in the teeth, that is OK by me, just don't come after me..... I don't think I could handle it.
 

agent00f

Lifer
Jun 9, 2016
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That's pretty much what said manager said about me, so frankly your infantile opinion is irrelevant. I don't live my life to make people like you happy or pine away for your approval.
Seems you've never consciously witnessed the same comical level of dumb insecurity in others, let's say the sort pleased even infatuated by a strongman calling them great, which rather reveals your standing relative to them.

I stand by my original agreement with the post I quoted. If Assange was pounding Trump (whom I've said many times that I'm not a fan), many of the Ds on here would be lapping it up and wouldn't bother the question where he got the info.

I'm sure there are democratic cheerleaders, too, no need to be insecure that your adversaries might be perfect.
 

OverVolt

Lifer
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Your concept of how wealth inequality even came about is seriously a bit odd.

Lower taxes for the rich and trickle down is not the answer.
Asset prices thanks to QE/ZIRP. This also forced everyone into stocks instead of bonds because the fed was buying a large chunk of the bonds. Its actually pretty simple IMO.

The changes to CEO compensation (stock based) combined with the over-use of financial tools = inequality.

Besides showing a chart that demonstrates they've had to throw more bread and T-shirts into the 99% doesn't make much difference. The 0.1% or even the 0.01% have a parabolic effect on income inequality. We've blown past the levels of wealth inequality that people saw in the 1929 days of oil tycoons and monopolistic corporate trusts. That should serve as warning/perspective to something alot of democrats are brushing off. I'm sure technology plays a role in wealth consolidation as well.

And no the solution isn't Obama paying your mortgage or health insurance, thats ignoring the problem until it boils over.

Despite all the fancy charts and wiki copy-pasta its still the same logical errors people who couldn't read in 1920 made.
 

agent00f

Lifer
Jun 9, 2016
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Asset prices thanks to QE/ZIRP. This also forced everyone into stocks instead of bonds because the fed was buying a large chunk of the bonds. Its actually pretty simple IMO.

The changes to CEO compensation (stock based) combined with the over-use of financial tools = inequality.

Besides showing a chart that demonstrates they've had to throw more bread and T-shirts into the 99% doesn't make much difference. The 0.1% or even the 0.01% have a parabolic effect on income inequality. We've blown past the levels of wealth inequality that people saw in the 1929 days of oil tycoons and monopolistic corporate trusts. That should serve as warning/perspective to something alot of democrats are brushing off. I'm sure technology plays a role in wealth consolidation as well.

And no the solution isn't Obama paying your mortgage or health insurance, thats ignoring the problem until it boils over.

Despite all the fancy charts and wiki copy-pasta its still the same logical errors people who couldn't read in 1920 made.

Dickens' lost works must describe the introduction of QE & such as prequel to the world of his better known novels.
 

John Connor

Lifer
Nov 30, 2012
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All I can say is thank you Wikileaks for striking up the conversation.

Clinton: "We must stop the corrupt -- from exposing the corrupt."
 

DrDoug

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Jan 16, 2014
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All I can say is thank you Wikileaks

Don't forget to thank the hackers that stole the info (Russia) and the Kremlin propaganda outlet, Russia Today (or is it Toady?). Hey, if you love one you gotta love them all, lying down with pigs and all that... I bet you think you're a patriotic American too, right? Nope, patriots don't cheer on someone attacking our government or political system.

Do they, Johnny? Nope, not in a real patriot's world.
 

sportage

Lifer
Feb 1, 2008
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I actually would be surprised if America voted in Donald Trump as their president.
For a majority of Americans to actually believe that no experience is better than experience?
No one would think this for their doctor or attorney or even for their auto mechanic or pool boy.
But I guess the presidency is something we can now play around with. To give complete incompetence a go at it.

And consider all the negatives of Donald Trump.
The words, the history of past activity, the lack of respect for law and business. How he talks about and how he treats so many different classes of people. Taking advantage of bankruptcy and tax evasion to further his own prosperity. And his total lack of basic American decency and patriotism when it comes to running business and respecting our very system of government.

Could a majority of America actually find this practice acceptable and vote this guy into office?
I find that very hard to believe.
And should a majority of America believe this behavior and attitude as acceptable by electing Donald Trump, then something has really changed within our country and with the people.
Should America elect Donald as president and then continue to consider itself a righteousness, moral and decent society, I would find that completely laughable.
Laughable within and laughable in the eyes of the free world.
And we absolutely would deserve whatever happens next.
 
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ivwshane

Lifer
May 15, 2000
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It wouldn't surprise me. Alot of Americans are tired of politicians and their bullshit. What does surprise me is that those people would pick a conman as their F-you to the political class. The guy is literally the other part of the equation of politics as usual.

Trump supporters often say they like trump because he tells it like it is. I'm sure for some things he does, like if a woman is hot enough to bang or sexually assault, but for a majority of things he says he simply does what most politicians do but 10x worse. He says one thing and within a matter of hours will say the opposite. Trump supporters say they are tired of corrupt politicians and yet the guy has literally been involved in multiple instances of corruption.

I could go on and on about the hypocrisy of their support for trump but the point remains, I have no idea why they chose him.
 

TeeJay1952

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Wikileaks is releasing info to the world based on it's philosophy of All data must be free. The one's steering the leaks (and theft of data) is the Russians.
You may speculate to their reasons.
 
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