Wikileaks releases Podesta's emails

[DrDoug]

I think you're overlooking the fact that Trump's policy is recognized to be similar what Russians have under Putin. Most of Russians prefer him over Clinton, so I think this time they'd want to actually work with him.

I have no doubt that Russia would love to work with Trump is he were elected but I don't think that's a major consideration to them, more like a side benefit if it comes to fruition. The problem with that idea is that nobody can really predict what Trump would do regarding just about anything. In the immediate short term though, the election of Trump would force America to focus within and possible slow any potential response to Russia making aggressive moves in their region. Hillary would pretty much a continuation of Obama's policies, at least in the short term, something that Russia is not happy with right now.

They know what they have now with Obama so the gamble with Trump is worth it to them, at least that is the way it looks to me.

 

[ivwshane]

The State Department IG report and Comey hearing are not well documented? Stop being so insufferably dense.

I decided to humor your asshattery:
http://www.factcheck.org/2016/05/ig-report-on-clintons-emails/

No, you decided to stop being a bitch.

Your factcheck link contains nothing that relates to my point.

The text they are referring to are on page 23 of the IG report.
https://oig.state.gov/reports/9926

Again, the report says nothing about emails having to be decided by a third party about their business/personal classification except when the policy was changed in 2014.

Comey's statement:
https://www.fbi.gov/news/pressrel/p...-clinton2019s-use-of-a-personal-e-mail-system

Again, comey says nothing about the inability of the SoS to self determine what is or isn't considered personal or business related.

So you are either talking out of your ass, or you've created a straw man, or you suck at reading comprehension and don't understand what I posted.

So let me help you out:

http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/sep/10/justice-department-rules-hillary-clinton-followed-/

“There is no question that Secretary Clinton had authority to delete personal emails without agency supervision — she appropriately could have done so even if she were working on a government server,” the administration lawyers argued. “Under policies issued by both the National Archives and Records Administration (‘NARA’) and the State Department, individual officers and employees are permitted and expected to exercise judgment to determine what constitutes a federal record.”

 

[Starbuck1975]

So you are either talking out of your ass, or you've created a straw man, or you suck at reading comprehension and don't understand what I posted.

So let me help you out:

http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/sep/10/justice-department-rules-hillary-clinton-followed-/

You are countering the IG and FBI statements with an article that has nothing to do with what I posted. Reading comprehension indeed.

I may talk out of my ass occasionally but admit it when I do. You and Jhnn have an ass orchestra going.

No one cares about deletion of personal emails. What some people do care about is the deletion of official records beyond oversight. Hope and change. Most transparent administration ever. Clinton clearly didn't get the memo.

 

[Starbuck1975]

But when Powell or Rice did it, no one cared. No one held hearings, no one made the FBI investigate, no one said they should be in jail. No one cared, and then Hillary continued business as usual and the right acted like it was the biggest scandal in history (you know, the right who believes the greatest President in history is the only one who committed treason while in office). It's not Jhhnn or the left that's moving the goalposts, it's the far right.

He asked for links, I provided legitimate links, he couldn't counter those links, so he deflected to Rice and Powell. That is moving the goal posts.

When Rice or Powell run for President, or fail to cooperate with investigators, I will care.

If Clinton was running against anyone other than Trump, this would be more than a distraction for her.

 

[DrDoug]

He asked for links, I provided legitimate links, he couldn't counter those links, so he deflected to Rice and Powell. That is moving the goal posts.

When Rice or Powell run for President, or fail to cooperate with investigators, I will care.

If Clinton was running against anyone other than Trump, this would be more than a distraction for her.

You might want to note that Powell himself told Hillary what to do regarding email. You might also want to note that you are beating a dead horse and nothing you say or do is going to change anything, is it?

Nope.

 

[Starbuck1975]

You might want to note that Powell himself told Hillary what to do regarding email. You might also want to note that you are beating a dead horse and nothing you say or do is going to change anything, is it?

Nope.

"Clinton indicated to the FBI that she understood Powell's comments to mean any work-related communications would be government records, and she stated Powell's comments did not factor into her decision to use a personal e-mail account," the FBI report said.

The only relevant part of your post is that the horse is dead.

 

[DrDoug]

No, it doesn't matter a damn what you say or think, it's over. The Bush White House had a private email server that disappeared too, nothing came of it either. Go ahead, point out every fact you think you know, true or not, it doesn't matter because you can't do anything about it, can you?

At this point you are trying to win an internet argument that nobody can win. What an accomplishment.

 

[boomerang]

I've found some of the information in the Podesta email dumps interesting in the sense of how the inner circle functions but nothing I would consider damning until now. To date, two people have lost their jobs but that still doesn't reflect on Hillary directly unless one factors in the recent releases regarding the Donald Ducks.

But the releases that deal with Hillary and what her inner circle refer to as "head space" raise very serious concerns about her fitness to do the job. When she gets stressed or upset, she apparently needs several days to regain whatever degree of composure she is capable of. I can understand that having the grandchild over can be stressful, but if that puts her into a state where she can't do a TV interview, how is she going to make decisions regarding the running of the nation? Who's going to answer the 3 AM phone call if she's so easily stressed to the point where she can't function?

http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presi...ns-inner-circle-tiptoes-around-health-issues/

 

[Starbuck1975]

No, it doesn't matter a damn what you say or think, it's over. The Bush White House had a private email server that disappeared too, nothing came of it either. Go ahead, point out every fact you think you know, true or not, it doesn't matter because you can't do anything about it, can you?

At this point you are trying to win an internet argument that nobody can win. What an accomplishment.

Deflection. If anyone directly involved in the Bush Administration's lies were to run for President I would hold them equally accountable. That is probably why we never saw Cheney or Rumsfeld or Rice or Powell run for President. The scrutiny would have sunk their campaigns.

The election is over. Scrutiny of Clinton will continue.

 

[compuwiz1]

Cue up another Breitbart link to make your point. Haven't you figured out that is a rookie move around here?
directed@boomerang

 

[boomerang]

Cue up another Breitbart link to make your point. Haven't you figured out that is a rookie move around here?
directed@boomerang

I don't give a fuck. The link shows portions of the emails with the links to those same emails with a minimal amount of commentary. What people think of the information I post doesn't matter to me. I'm fully aware that brain-dead extreme partisans are not going to like certain web sites. Along with certain posters, certain words, phrases and the like. That's their problem not mine. Let them circle the wagons and attack me, the website, the content, whatever makes them feel superior. It matters not to me because I see them for what they are which is a group of people that think like teenagers.

What I post is for those interested in reading it and if they're not, I don't give a fuck. In other words I'm not going to censor myself because of juvenile peer-pressure.

 

[DrDoug]

Deflection. If anyone directly involved in the Bush Administration's lies were to run for President I would hold them equally accountable. That is probably why we never saw Cheney or Rumsfeld or Rice or Powell run for President. The scrutiny would have sunk their campaigns.

The election is over. Scrutiny of Clinton will continue.

Have at it, dude, just don't expect anyone to agree that you're right because you have an answer for everything and a retort for anything that disrupts your world view. I'm not going to waste my time talking with because there is nothing that can be said that will change your mind.

You will always think you are right and that is all the comfort you will ever get out of it. Enjoy.

 

[Starbuck1975]

Have at it, dude, just don't expect anyone to agree that you're right because you have an answer for everything and a retort for anything that disrupts your world view. I'm not going to waste my time talking with because there is nothing that can be said that will change your mind.

You will always think you are right and that is all the comfort you will ever get out of it. Enjoy.

Apology accepted.

There are factual boundaries to any discussion on Clinton's email server. The IG report found her non compliant. The FBI investigation found her negligent. These are both indisputable facts. The FBI did not find criminal intent. That is also an indisputable fact.

What is open to speculation is her true intent. Clinton advocates will claim precedence. I will counter that the true intent was to avoid accountability and oversight.

If you don't like the rules of the game, don't step on the field and then cry foul.

I am not naive enough to expect anyone around here is going to change their opinion. My only expectation is that when someone requests facts or links, and I provide those links, they are mature and intellectually honest enough to acknowledge it.

 

[Jhhnn]

Keep moving those goal posts

You assume your placement of the goal posts was mutually agreed upon when it was not. If the goal was to get Hillary, you already missed. Going back over the details of that failed attempt ad nauseum is just conspiracy theory maintenance.

We all know that she did this when she should have done that. Look over here, look over there, cover every detail in layers of bullshit & innuendo. Hit the replay button again, again, again. Run it in super slow-mo. Keep teaching the controversy as if some controversy actually exists. Never give up the chew toy. Benghazi think forever!

All of which has nearly nothing to do with the topic at hand, of course, because there's little conspiracy theory to be fabricated out of Podesta's emails.

Oh, God! Donna Brazile gave up the exact wording of a perfectly obvious question that any sane presidential candidate would be ready to answer! And then the question wasn't worded that way at all! Must be Hillary's fault!

 

[Starbuck1975]

You assume your placement of the goal posts was mutually agreed upon when it was not. If the goal was to get Hillary, you already missed. Going back over the details of that failed attempt ad nauseum is just conspiracy theory maintenance.

We all know that she did this when she should have done that. Look over here, look over there, cover every detail in layers of bullshit & innuendo. Hit the replay button again, again, again. Run it in super slow-mo. Keep teaching the controversy as if some controversy actually exists. Never give up the chew toy. Benghazi think forever!

All of which has nearly nothing to do with the topic at hand, of course, because there's little conspiracy theory to be fabricated out of Podesta's emails.

Oh, God! Donna Brazile gave up the exact wording of a perfectly obvious question that any sane presidential candidate would be ready to answer! And then the question wasn't worded that way at all! Must be Hillary's fault!

I came to play chess and you keep pulling out the Candyland board

 

[Starbuck1975]

You assume your placement of the goal posts was mutually agreed upon when it was not. If the goal was to get Hillary, you already missed. Going back over the details of that failed attempt ad nauseum is just conspiracy theory maintenance.

We all know that she did this when she should have done that. Look over here, look over there, cover every detail in layers of bullshit & innuendo. Hit the replay button again, again, again. Run it in super slow-mo. Keep teaching the controversy as if some controversy actually exists. Never give up the chew toy. Benghazi think forever!

All of which has nearly nothing to do with the topic at hand, of course, because there's little conspiracy theory to be fabricated out of Podesta's emails.

Oh, God! Donna Brazile gave up the exact wording of a perfectly obvious question that any sane presidential candidate would be ready to answer! And then the question wasn't worded that way at all! Must be Hillary's fault!

I will concede one aspect of your conspiracy nonsense. The Republicans blew their wad on the email controversy because they expected and placed all their bets on finding criminal evidence, which of course never materialized.

Getting back on topic, the Podesta emails make it even more clear that the Republicans missed their target. There are legitimate foreign policy conversations to be had that tie directly to Clinton's record as SoS, but that assumes the nomination of a candidate that can coherently argue policy in a general election. The Republicans got what they deserve in Trump.

 

[Jhhnn]

I will concede one aspect of your conspiracy nonsense. The Republicans blew their wad on the email controversy because they expected and placed all their bets on finding criminal evidence, which of course never materialized.

And you just keep beating the drum trying to start the dance again.

Getting back on topic, the Podesta emails make it even more clear that the Republicans missed their target. There are legitimate foreign policy conversations to be had that tie directly to Clinton's record as SoS, but that assumes the nomination of a candidate that can coherently argue policy in a general election. The Republicans got what they deserve in Trump.

 

[Starbuck1975]

And you just keep beating the drum trying to start the dance again.

I am not sure I understand what your gripe is, but I challenge you to articulate it without your tired, predictable and dismissive conspiracy bullshit, allegations of FUD or deflections to irrelevance.

 

[KillerBee]

Good write up on how they verified Donna Brazile's Wikileaks email

http://blog.erratasec.com/2016/10/yes-we-can-validate-wikileaks-emails.html

 

[ivwshane]

Listen dumb fuck, for the second time, your links do not say what you think they say. You are either trying to talk about something else or you don't understand the statement I originally made. None of your links mentioned anything that disputes what I said except one and it was a rule that was clashed after Hillary left the state department.

You are countering the IG and FBI statements with an article that has nothing to do with what I posted. Reading comprehension indeed.

I may talk out of my ass occasionally but admit it when I do. You and Jhnn have an ass orchestra going.

No one cares about deletion of personal emails. What some people do care about is the deletion of official records beyond oversight. Hope and change. Most transparent administration ever. Clinton clearly didn't get the memo.

You seem to care because when I pointed out that SoS's had the discretion to determine what was personal and what wasn't you claimed I was wrong and then failed to back up your claim. You are now attempting to change the subject.

Your level of expected transparency changes depending on what letter follows a person's name. You are a hack.

 

[ivwshane]

I am not sure I understand what your gripe is, but I challenge you to articulate it without your tired, predictable and dismissive conspiracy bullshit, allegations of FUD or deflections to irrelevance.

Sure, right after you follow your own advice!

 

[Starbuck1975]

Listen dumb fuck, for the second time, your links do not say what you think they say. You are either trying to talk about something else or you don't understand the statement I originally made. None of your links mentioned anything that disputes what I said except one and it was a rule that was clashed after Hillary left the state department.

You seem to care because when I pointed out that SoS's had the discretion to determine what was personal and what wasn't you claimed I was wrong and then failed to back up your claim. You are now attempting to change the subject.

Your level of expected transparency changes depending on what letter follows a person's name. You are a hack.

You are correct. I am a dumb fuck and a hack. Let's move past that talking point.

You were however wrong about just about everything else.

I didn't challenge Sanders during the primaries for transparency because I felt he spoke from a position of conviction and honesty. I could care less about D or R.

 

[ivwshane]

You are correct. I am a dumb fuck and a hack. Let's move past that talking point.

You were however wrong about just about everything else.

I didn't challenge Sanders during the primaries for transparency because I felt he spoke from a position of conviction and honesty. I could care less about D or R.

Wrong about everything else? I only made one point dumb ass!

 

[Starbuck1975]

Wrong about everything else? I only made one point dumb ass!

http://youtu.be/LQhX8PbNUWI

 

[dainthomas]

Deflection. If anyone directly involved in the Bush Administration's lies were to run for President I would hold them equally accountable. That is probably why we never saw Cheney or Rumsfeld or Rice or Powell run for President. The scrutiny would have sunk their campaigns.

The election is over. Scrutiny of Clinton will continue.

So it's okay to break the law if you don't run for president?