Well said.
I honestly don't have a clue about how todays elections are going to go, but the end of democracy BS comes across as clutching at straws.
Well said.Did Democracy end every time the Republicans have held those houses before? Of course not, as this is just a BS fearmongering narrative that only idiots buy. Anything that does not allow Democrats absolute power is a "threat to democracy". But because we are doing so well under Democrat leadership right now, (NOT), they will be routed today. People care about their pocket books, cost of living, cost of gas, cost of groceries, crime, the border, and a multitude of other things that the Democrats have utterly failed at. Abortion and January 6th are not the kitchen table interests. On the key items, the Democrats have been out of touch with their constituents and their messaging has not aligned with what the people are feeling. Keeping them in power would be to continue what we have been suffering under their leadership. It is time for the seas to change.
Did Democracy end every time the Republicans have held those houses before? Of course not, as this is just a BS fearmongering narrative that only idiots buy. Anything that does not allow Democrats absolute power is a "threat to democracy". But because we are doing so well under Democrat leadership right now, (NOT), they will be routed today. People care about their pocket books, cost of living, cost of gas, cost of groceries, crime, the border, and a multitude of other things that the Democrats have utterly failed at. Abortion and January 6th are not the kitchen table interests. On the key items, the Democrats have been out of touch with their constituents and their messaging has not aligned with what the people are feeling. Keeping them in power would be to continue what we have been suffering under their leadership. It is time for the seas to change.
The democracy thing is maybe a base mobilization message but other than that not much. The thing is it's a VERY real concern and something that we need to keep discussing no matter if it's electorally helpful or not. The last Republican president tried a coup and there's no denying this. His coup attempt failed because in no small part principled Republican lawmakers refused to go along. A lot of them are gone now though and they are being replaced with people who would have clearly been on board with the coup. Anyone who thinks that's not dangerous is delusional.Well said.
I honestly don't have a clue about how todays elections are going to go, but the end of democracy BS comes across as clutching at straws.
Legal challenges aren't a coup attempt. The system worked as intended, Joe was seated as president.The democracy thing is maybe a base mobilization message but other than that not much. The thing is it's a VERY real concern and something that we need to keep discussing no matter if it's electorally helpful or not. The last Republican president tried a coup and there's no denying this. His coup attempt failed because in no small part principled Republican lawmakers refused to go along. A lot of them are gone now though and they are being replaced with people who would have clearly been on board with the coup. Anyone who thinks that's not dangerous is delusional.
The scary part to me is the next coup that's attempted (and there will be another attempt) if they succeed lots of Republicans will pretend not to notice. For example in 2020 had Trump's coup succeeded it would have been through denying the electoral vote count and having the state delegations install him as president. I think in that case Republicans will not say 'he just overthrew the constitution', they will say 'see? the house decided a disputed election, the system works'.
Lol but look at what else they believe!!! So hardly a surpriseTo anyone that thinks it won’t/can’t happen here is delusional.
You're right, legal challenges are not a coup attempt. This has nothing to do with legal challenges though. In fact if you read Eastman's memos the plan was enacted with the explicit purpose of avoiding the courts if at all possible because they thought they would lose.Legal challenges aren't a coup attempt. The system worked as intended, Joe was seated as president.
The fundamental issue isn't politics so much as tribalism. We all jump on board with our team then tell each other how stupid, violent, backward, and foolish the other side is. We post story after story proving beyond doubt that we're the better group. Most of it is written by extremists, and that's why we end up reading "end of democracy" trash.
I don't get this line of thinking. Biden controls the army and federal law enforcement, why would he hand them over?IF the republicans get the opportunity and with some help from the supremes, we may be looking at trump as lifetime President by as early as 2024.
Biden won’t win the election if everything goes to plan because of who will be counting the votes and verification of elections in the states that matter.I don't get this line of thinking. Biden controls the army and federal law enforcement, why would he hand them over?
If Biden wins the election and Republicans try another coup I find it unlikely that he would just sit there and be like 'well, you got me!'.
Well biden still controls them Nov 9, 2024 - Jan 20, 2025 11:59AM. This is all that mattersBiden won’t win the election if everything goes to plan because of who will be counting the votes and verification of elections in the states that matter.
Biden won’t win the election if everything goes to plan because of who will be counting the votes and verification of elections in the states that matter.
Vote counts are independently verified by multiple poll workers so you would need a conspiracy at lots of different precincts. Once it gets beyond the precinct level monkeying with the ballot counts would be very difficult to do without being caught. If you have states refusing to certify Biden's win despite him having the most votes well then you're just back to a coup attempt.Biden won’t win the election if everything goes to plan because of who will be counting the votes and verification of elections in the states that matter.
I have been noticing that right-wing propagandists have been grooming their listeners for fascism since at least 2015.
Vote counts are independently verified by multiple poll workers so you would need a conspiracy at lots of different precincts. Once it gets beyond the precinct level monkeying with the ballot counts would be very difficult to do without being caught. If you have states refusing to certify Biden's win despite him having the most votes well then you're just back to a coup attempt.
Election subversion is a very real threat but when they do it we will know.
How will we know who actually won the most votes if MAGAS are doing the counting? Does anyone believe Putin “ wins” by the percentage they claim?Vote counts are independently verified by multiple poll workers so you would need a conspiracy at lots of different precincts. Once it gets beyond the precinct level monkeying with the ballot counts would be very difficult to do without being caught. If you have states refusing to certify Biden's win despite him having the most votes well then you're just back to a coup attempt.
Election subversion is a very real threat but when they do it we will know.
That's just what humans do with the tools they are given. Through the internet, bullshit is spread far and wide. It's just that for 2015/16 the consequences were beginning to be felt. Actually before that, closer to 2008/9 when the Tea Party got going. Crazy has been given wings and taught to fly. Now it is in our faces and far too many people are latching onto it.
How will we know who actually won the most votes if MAGAS are doing the counting? Does anyone believe Putin “ wins” by the percentage they claim?
There are poll watchers present from each party - when ballots are counted or moved members of both parties are there. The results are later audited.How will we know who actually won the most votes if MAGAS are doing the counting? Does anyone believe Putin “ wins” by the percentage they claim?
I began to notice the mainstreaming of batshit in the GOP in 2011/12. That's when I abandoned the party.
Poll watchers don’t and cannot see the vote count so I don’t see how they will be any hindrance to their plan.There are poll watchers present from each party - when ballots are counted or moved members of both parties are there. The results are later audited.
This is exactly the same sort of election fraud nonsense Republicans have been going on about for years.
Bush's invasion of Iraq was a huge red flag for me. Given the obvious lies after the fact.I began to notice the mainstreaming of batshit in the GOP in 2011/12. That's when I abandoned the party.
Poll watchers don’t and cannot see the vote count so I don’t see how they will be any hindrance to their plan.
Magic 8 ball says....no.Can you do this?