The real problem is that republicans run almost exclusively on white identity politics, but white people like white identity politics! I mean think about it, what was the last substantive proposal republicans ran on that wasn’t identity politics based?The real problem is that if you stick to topics that matter like healthcare, economy, and infrastructure people will say you are boring and tune you out. To get people to listen you MUST talk about things they identify with. Modern campaigning is basically just trying to make the candidate look like they identify with as many people as possible while alienating the minimum possible. There is nothing left of our political system but identity politics, because people literally don't care enough about the things that matter to go vote over them, but they will get out there and vote over something they identify with.
And Biden didn’t just win, he CRUSHED Trump by margins not seen in almost a century. But because Democrats didn’t sustain the historically huge margins they won by in 2018 people are acting like they lost.This thread is making me wonder if I walked into a parallel universe where Trump won the 2020 election.
Pub lite never works.I think we need more and better data before we can draw any conclusions from this election. One problem with Maher's arguments is that common sense is so unreliable. Everyone thinks they have common sense. So whose common sense do you use?
Based on preliminary data, it doesn't appear that being too far left is the issue. It looks like more progressive candidates faired better, even in swing districts, than did centrist dem candidates. It certainly looks like outside of California, progressive ballot initiatives performed better than democratic candidates.
Trump lost the election, but dems did badly down ballot and that is going to make it very tough for Biden to be effective. Which in turn will affect both the 2022 midterms and possibly, 2024. Dems need to retool immediately.
The Dems get criticized for the amount they use identity politics and I agree some of that criticism is warranted. The Repubs use identity politics as well, just they use that of white christian identity politics so that's ok. That's the playing field we got and so we have to use it.
Harp on bread and butter economic, infrastructure and healthcare issues and avoid stupidity like Defund the Police. The problem is, even Joe Biden's healthcare plan gets attacked as evil socialist, and people buy it. His infrastructure plan, because it includes some energy policy, gets trashed as unAmerican.
What are you failing to understanding?
Regardless of how much people are told to "get out there and vote" the number of people who will show up to vote is undoubtedly determined in part by the fact that they live in a "red state" or "blue state" - in addition to a wide variety of other factors that would change if the vote type changed
So declaring that you "won" the popular vote - when the popular vote wasn't the game that was being played... Is just simply moronic to the core.
the popular vote was won because it was, and because it exists, it can be one.
That is an undeniable truth of objective reality.
You pretending it isn't, or proposing one of your panted D- arguments that you probably still don't think you deserve from your "college" days, doesn't change that fact.
Republicans if anything have shown they don't care about the purity test and identity politics. Trump can grab em' by the pussy and Christians still say - thats our guy.
The popular vote wasn't the point of measurement you dolt.
That's like doing a marathon run around a track - but then declaring at the end "Yeah, but I won the first lap!". The first lap wasn't what everyone was shooting for - they were shooting for overall stamina and not how fast they ran to begin with. Thats the equivalency of your argument right now - we didn't do a popular vote - we did an electorate vote by state.
No, not using the popular vote is like requiring one runner to run 3 laps and another to run four. Sure, you can say those are the rules, but any competent thinker can recognize the rules are biased.The popular vote wasn't the point of measurement you dolt.
That's like doing a marathon run around a track - but then declaring at the end "Yeah, but I won the first lap!". The first lap wasn't what everyone was shooting for - they were shooting for overall stamina and not how fast they ran to begin with. Thats the equivalency of your argument right now - we didn't do a popular vote - we did an electorate vote by state.
You do realize that Trump ran basically 100% on identity politics, right?Republicans if anything have shown they don't care about the purity test and identity politics. Trump can grab em' by the pussy and Christians still say - thats our guy.
avoid stupidity like Defund the Police.
To say that the party that uses the term RINO doesn't have a purity test is just silly. It's just that purity test doesn't exclude pussy grabbers.Republicans if anything have shown they don't care about the purity test and identity politics. Trump can grab em' by the pussy and Christians still say - thats our guy.
I think he's confusing identity politics and ethics. Trump and supporters very much care about identity politics, not so much about ethics.You do realize that Trump ran basically 100% on identity politics, right?
I think he thinks identity politics don’t apply to white people.I think he's confusing identity politics and ethics. Trump and supporters very much care about identity politics, not so much about ethics.
they will get out there and vote over something they identify with.
It is not uncommon for people to not see their own identity politics. I liken it to people who think they speak without an accent.I think he thinks identity politics don’t apply to white people.
And Biden didn’t just win, he CRUSHED Trump by margins not seen in almost a century. But because Democrats didn’t sustain the historically huge margins they won by in 2018 people are acting like they lost.
Guys, the Democrats won. By a lot. If you want to talk about how they can win by even more that’s fine, but a more productive conversation might be what we as citizens can do to fix the rigged system.
I feel like trans issues affect me...But which democratic candidates ran on 'defund the police'??
Maher's speech is confusing; idiots on twitter are insignificant and silly, but also loud enough to sway millions of people to vote GOP? Which is it?
I agree dems do a shitty job of winning considering how nuts the opposition is. But I also don't know if this is the answer. I don't think gender/trans or whatever issues affect anyone outside of religious GOP nuts anyway. The only thing that might have an effect I think would be the "defund" stuff, I agree it's an awful message.
But which democratic candidates ran on 'defund the police'??
Maher's speech is confusing; idiots on twitter are insignificant and silly, but also loud enough to sway millions of people to vote GOP? Which is it?
I agree dems do a shitty job of winning considering how nuts the opposition is. But I also don't know if this is the answer. I don't think gender/trans or whatever issues affect anyone outside of religious GOP nuts anyway. The only thing that might have an effect I think would be the "defund" stuff, I agree it's an awful message.
In the political sense. My point was most people agree with trans rights, and/or don't care. The people vocally opposed to it are religious idiots who will never change their mind anyway. So I don't think it hurts democrats to talk about it, and obviously expanding rights for trans peopleI feel like trans issues affect me...