Fox news is gonna put forth any fucking reality they want to anyway ... its not that its going to matter THAT much.
Fox news is gonna put forth any fucking reality they want to anyway ... its not that its going to matter THAT much.I don’t agree with any of that, but Maher’s talking points are spot on. Political parties are increasingly defined by their fringe elements, and Maher offered a few very practical suggestions. Use common sense, don’t pander to Twitter as if it represents the electorate and tone down the virtue signaling rhetoric. Conor Lamb offers useful insights on this topic and I was glad to hear Maher reference him.
They don’t need to alter reality when the headlines write themselves, which is what Maher is suggestingFox news is gonna put forth any fucking reality they want to anyway ... its not that its going to matter THAT much.
Meanwhile, 79 million votes say you aren't thinking straight.It really does feel like they are trying to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
Okay, criticism taken to heart. We will immediately get on with policing the entire world and internet to make sure nobody anywhere says something crazy that can be used against Democrats.They don’t need to alter reality when the headlines write themselves, which is what Maher is suggesting
They don’t need to alter reality when the headlines write themselves, which is what Maher is suggesting
Yea that is 30 degrees right of reality. I watch Fox. Msnbc. and the stuff in the middle. Your filter is off.They don’t need to alter reality when the headlines write themselves, which is what Maher is suggesting
I've only watched Maher a few times, and never a full show, but every time he looks into the camera to do one of his bits it was painfully unfunny. He kept looking at his other guests to see if they were laughing and they weren't, but then gave obvious fake courtesy laughs. He knew they were fake laughs. Just awful.Bill Maher is a clueless reptile with dogshit political instincts. He's deeply unfunny, Carlin's shit from 30 years ago stands up better than his comedy.
He should lay off the coke, you'd have to snort the first base line at Yankee Stadium to think that Democrats lost Latino support because of the "latinx" thing.
Just because it has been in effect for 200 years doesnt make it necessarily fair or logical. The United States was also very different geographically when the electoral college was established.You mean the same "advantage" that was and is our defined electoral process for more than 200 years? That one?
Use common sense, don’t pander to Twitter as if it represents the electorate and tone down the virtue signaling rhetoric. Conor Lamb offers useful insights on this topic and I was glad to hear Maher reference him.
They don’t need to alter reality when the headlines write themselves, which is what Maher is suggesting
Evangelical Christianity as preached today is a product of the Great Awakening and did not even exist at the time of the founding.
Just because it has been in effect for 200 years doesnt make it necessarily fair or logical. The United States was also very different geographically when the electoral college was established.
Chicken vs egg, no??? If the working class (and farmers/rural voters as well) "abandoned" the Dems, I would argue that it was because the Democrats basically ignored them, or at least, are not effectively getting across the messaging of Democratic policies that would benefit them.Actually the Dems were abandoned by the working class, not the other way around. The Dems had championed the working class for decades and the working class went for Reagan anyway, even though Reagan’s policies explicitly damaged the working class. After the 1980, 84, and 88 elections, Clinton, Gore, and the Southern Leadership Council said, “Screw it” and dragged the Dem Party hard to the right, dumping the working class vote in favor of the upper middle class vote and started winning elections again. So for three decades we’ve had a center right party, the Dems, and a far right/fascist party, the Reps. The Rep rebranding following the 2008 defeat was pure genius, convincing the working poor that radical right policies would magically benefit them.
Lol, it never stops being funny to me how you’re telling Democrats to enjoy losing right after an election they won.Ohhhh most assuredly it has lol.
I've just been sitting back reading the massive amounts of ignorance that is present on this forum as roughly 85% of the posts do what I expected - immediately divert the topic to "the other side".
Like I said, for as much as people proclaim to hate Trump, in hindsight their narcissistic actions clearly shows they idolize him.
Anyhow - enjoy Republicans winning over and over again and constantly telling yourself "Why? Everybody loves us!"
It's especially making me fall over laughing at folks saying the election is rigged for Republicans lol. Just read their posts in Trump's voice and it's just a perfect-o match.
You will notice they never engage with the actual argument because they have no answer.No, it was always a pretty shitty system. It's just reaching crisis levels it hasn't seen since the mid-19th century due to shifting demographics.
And Dems are objectively better for the working class than the GOP. They just don't indulge in the same sort of identity politics that are central to the modern GOP's platform.
Finally, "rural working class workers in the likes of manufacturing"? That's ... kind of incoherent.
Perhaps. But even now democratic politicians do lots of pandering to rural and/or working class voters in the form of farm subsidies, manufacturing support, training, handouts etc. It all does nothing! They just complain that coal mines shut down 40 years ago (by the mining companies because unprofitable), gay people can marry, and that there are too many brown people. Heck, Sanders would be the best populist pandering to the working class, and how many of them would have supported him?!Chicken vs egg, no??? If the working class (and farmers/rural voters as well) "abandoned" the Dems, I would argue that it was because the Democrats basically ignored them, or at least, are not effectively getting across the messaging of Democratic policies that would benefit them.
Actually the Dems were abandoned by the working class, not the other way around. The Dems had championed the working class for decades and the working class went for Reagan anyway, even though Reagan’s policies explicitly damaged the working class. After the 1980, 84, and 88 elections, Clinton, Gore, and the Southern Leadership Council said, “Screw it” and dragged the Dem Party hard to the right, dumping the working class vote in favor of the upper middle class vote and started winning elections again. So for three decades we’ve had a center right party, the Dems, and a far right/fascist party, the Reps. The Rep rebranding following the 2008 defeat was pure genius, convincing the working poor that radical right policies would magically benefit them.
I'm pretty sure that's IronWing's point - that not being neofascists doesn't actually make the Dem's truly pro-working class. Which ... is reasonably fair. My statement that they were objectively better for the working class than the GOP is arguably damning with faint praise.Not really. The way Democrats want to do unionization would only penetrate about 20-30% of workforce. The rest is always about cops, firefighters, teachers, and military. In the past, Biden wanted to cut entitlement benefits of the non-unionized private sector and even up to Obama (i.e. the grand bargain) this was the case.
Hmmmm - Thats rather funny, for 200+ years, everything was just fine and dandy.
It was only after your voters started compressing into over-crowded cities - and when your party subsequently abandoned the rural working class workers in the likes of manufacturing.... that you are now deciding and declaring that it is NOW unfair lol.
Maybe (as this thread suggested to begin with) instead of declaring NOT FAIR! in full Trump-like fashion, you instead look internally and realize that you completely shit on the working class and continue to only appeal to rich-white elite donors and tech-worker crowds. Yet for some reason you're still asking the questions of "WHAT HAPPENED?! This isn't fair!"
My filter works just fine. That’s why when comedians like Dave Chappelle and Bill Burr go on SNL, I laugh at their whole monologue and not the parts that tell me what I want to hear.I've only watched Maher a few times, and never a full show, but every time he looks into the camera to do one of his bits it was painfully unfunny. He kept looking at his other guests to see if they were laughing and they weren't, but then gave obvious fake courtesy laughs. He knew they were fake laughs. Just awful.
Great. When you’re done with your fool’s errand, you can focus on the recommendations Maher actually made, which echo sentiments expressed by Congressional Democrats.Okay, criticism taken to heart. We will immediately get on with policing the entire world and internet to make sure nobody anywhere says something crazy that can be used against Democrats.
Evangelical Christianity is younger than America, and yes, it IS now a cult.The plain truth is Evangelical Christianity was what founded this nation, and all its guiding principals. It is the one true way and everything else by definition is the cult.
Great. When you’re done with your fool’s errand, you can focus on the recommendations Maher actually made, which echo sentiments expressed by Congressional Democrats.