Will Disney reboot Star Wars Episodes 1-3

[Sonikku]

He did... BARELY.

But, the funny thing is that his character is entirely unnecessary to the entire story line and should have never been included. We didn't need to know who "discovered" Anakin. Or who trained Kenobi. Qui Gon was useless.

Qui Gon gave an opposite point of view to the prevailing gospel and mentality of the dogmatic council at the time that emotion should be suppressed and the code should be obeyed at all times. He relied on his instincts instead of the code, behavior the council believed to be almost sacrilege. He was shunned for it and denied on a seat on the council as a result. Had he lived, he likely would have put the pieces together and seen Palpatine for what he was far ahead of Yoda and the other masters that were as out of touch as the senate. He was a man Anakin respected and related to far more than Obiwan and perhaps could have helped him if he hadn't been slain.

Instead you have out of touch Yoda and Ob1 running blind in the veil of the dark side, unable to see what is right in front of them. Even after their order is in shambles you see them trying to manipulate Luke into being some kind of Jedi assassin for them, honing his martial prowess, abandoning his friends, abandoning emotion, going so far as to tell him to abandon looking for any good in his father with the hopes that he would hunt him down and kill him. Likely without any knowledge of who he even was, had Vader, a SITH of all people not been the one person telling him the truth. Yoda and his order were basically wrong about everything while Qui-Gon was right. Qui Gon much like Luke show us what the Jedi of that time should have been all about.

 

[ctark]

They aren't that bad, you just dont understand what Lucas was trying to do with those movies. He made the acting and dialogue wooden on purpose. I personally don't like it that way but I can appreciate that its his movie franchise and he can do what he wants. Overall the movies were fine and progressively got better. Go watch "reality" tv if you can suspend reality in your own head.

 

[Homerboy]

Qui Gon gave an opposite point of view to the prevailing gospel and mentality of the dogmatic council at the time that emotion should be suppressed and the code should be obeyed at all times. He relied on his instincts instead of the code, behavior the council believed to be almost sacrilege. He was shunned for it and denied on a seat on the council as a result. Had he lived, he likely would have put the pieces together and seen Palpatine for what he was far ahead of Yoda and the other masters that were as out of touch as the senate. He was a man Anakin respected and related to far more than Obiwan and perhaps could have helped him if he hadn't been slain.

Instead you have out of touch Yoda and Ob1 running blind in the veil of the dark side, unable to see what is right in front of them. Even after their order is in shambles you see them trying to manipulate Luke into being some kind of Jedi assassin for them, honing his martial prowess, abandoning his friends, abandoning emotion, going so far as to tell him to abandon looking for any good in his father with the hopes that he would hunt him down and kill him. Likely without any knowledge of who he even was, had Vader, a SITH of all people not been the one person telling him the truth. Yoda and his order were basically wrong about everything while Qui-Gon was right. Qui Gon much like Luke show us what the Jedi of that time should have been all about.

Thanks for the recap but he still was irrelevant. As irrelevant as Darth Maul.
If his story line was excluded, nothing would have been lost.

 

[Sonikku]

I do think Darth Maul was irrelevant. His character didn't contribute anything to the story. He didn't even have much of any lines. His sole purpose is relegated to being the guy with the cool lightsaber.

 

[ctark]

Thanks for the recap but he still was irrelevant. As irrelevant as Darth Maul.
If his story line was excluded, nothing would have been lost.

Not true, he is the catalyst for the Jedi learning how to retain their identity after death. This is foreshadowed in Episode II when Anakin is slaughtering the Tusken Raiders and you see Yoda meditating and you hear someone screaming "NO!"

In episode III it is revealed at the end that Qui-Gon has returned and taught Yoda how to retain his identity after death. This is further expounded upon in Clone Wars. The average Star Wars fan doesn't really understand the movie and the mythology that surrounds the movie. If you want a mindless action movie then this franchise is not for you.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Episode 2 was the hardest for me to rewatch I think. Anakins dialog and acting all emo with the love story was so bad. Although jar jar in episode 1 was lame also. Hope they don't remake them just so I never have to see jar jar again.

Episode 2 was the worst of them all, but I will say this - I didn't have the sense of utter shock and horror that I felt when I saw Episode 1 for the first time. I was literally in a state of shock after walking out of the theater. D:

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Not true, he is the catalyst for the Jedi learning how to retain their identity after death. This is foreshadowed in Episode II when Anakin is slaughtering the Tusken Raiders and you see Yoda meditating and you hear someone screaming "NO!"

In episode III it is revealed at the end that Qui-Gon has returned and taught Yoda how to retain his identity after death. This is further expounded upon in Clone Wars. The average Star Wars fan doesn't really understand the movie and the mythology that surrounds the movie. If you want a mindless action movie then this franchise is not for you.

Well, I'm not your average Star Wars fan so I guess I'll comment. Unlike most of you kiddies (get off my lawn!), I saw all the movies in their original theatrical releases and subsequent theatrical rereleases (before anything ever made it to video and most homes didn't yet have VCRs). Not only that, I remember seeing the trailers on TV and begging my dad to take my brother and I. As a kid, Star Wars was my life - I still have, boxed up in my attic, garage, and closet, most of my Star Wars toys from the 70s and 80s including some relatively rare pieces (IG-88 large size, the blue Snaggletooth figure, and Luke Stormtrooper from the 1984 PotF line).

Now that I've established my SW street cred, I'll comment. We all know every single thing you mentioned, and still, all of it is irrelevant. I mean, was there ANYONE in the world who, after seeing Return of the Jedi in 1983, thought to him/herself: "Man, I REALLY hope Lucas shows us the Jedi who discovered that trick and taught others!" Was anyone screaming after any of the original 3 movies: "DAMN IT, Lucas had BETTER tell us the biological markers for force sensitivity!" Of course not. The point is that the Force (and the Jedi) were cool when it was a mysterious force controlled by certain individuals. Lucas cheapened it with his lame explanations - he should've just left it as-is and not tried to invent crap like "midichlorians."

Don't get me wrong, I actually liked the character of Qui-Gon Jinn. But he was not necessary to the story at all. In the stories we got, Jar Jar actually had a far bigger impact by being the imbecile who handed Palpatine his emergency powers. IMO, Lucas should've completely skipped the story that was told in the Phantom Menace and started with a teenage Anakin and Obi-wan with the Clone Wars starting towards the end of the "new" Episode 1.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

I for one would like a Bobba not Jengo Fett story.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

I for one would like a Bobba not Jengo Fett story.

Disney is supposed to make a Boba Fett movie, so you're in luck (assuming it happens). They've expressed interest in making several standalone Star Wars movies about specific characters and I also wouldn't be terribly surprised if we saw a fourth trilogy. And a fifth. And a sixth.......

 

[Homerboy]

Well, I'm not your average Star Wars fan so I guess I'll comment. Unlike most of you kiddies (get off my lawn!), I saw all the movies in their original theatrical releases and subsequent theatrical rereleases (before anything ever made it to video and most homes didn't yet have VCRs). Not only that, I remember seeing the trailers on TV and begging my dad to take my brother and I. As a kid, Star Wars was my life - I still have, boxed up in my attic, garage, and closet, most of my Star Wars toys from the 70s and 80s including some relatively rare pieces (IG-88 large size, the blue Snaggletooth figure, and Luke Stormtrooper from the 1984 PotF line).

Now that I've established my SW street cred, I'll comment. We all know every single thing you mentioned, and still, all of it is irrelevant. I mean, was there ANYONE in the world who, after seeing Return of the Jedi in 1983, thought to him/herself: "Man, I REALLY hope Lucas shows us the Jedi who discovered that trick and taught others!" Was anyone screaming after any of the original 3 movies: "DAMN IT, Lucas had BETTER tell us the biological markers for force sensitivity!" Of course not. The point is that the Force (and the Jedi) were cool when it was a mysterious force controlled by certain individuals. Lucas cheapened it with his lame explanations - he should've just left it as-is and not tried to invent crap like "midichlorians."

Don't get me wrong, I actually liked the character of Qui-Gon Jinn. But he was not necessary to the story at all. In the stories we got, Jar Jar actually had a far bigger impact by being the imbecile who handed Palpatine his emergency powers. IMO, Lucas should've completely skipped the story that was told in the Phantom Menace and started with a teenage Anakin and Obi-wan with the Clone Wars starting towards the end of the "new" Episode 1.

Bingo.

And yeah. I saw the OT in the theaters too. IndyColtsFan I still have all my figures/toys as well. maybe we can have a play date sometime soon!?

 

[Homerboy]

I for one would like a Bobba not Jengo Fett story.

I've had this discussion about the impending Boba Fett movie -- I don't think I want it.

What made him impossibly cool was he was this impossibly cool badass in the OT. You WANTED to know who this dude was -- "No disintegration!" I mean he's obviously got a serious rep in the galaxy that even Vader has heard of!

But then it hit me... sure I want to know his story. But it's never going to live up to what I want it to be. No matter what they do, it's never going to be badass enough. His coolness in the OT came from the mystery surrounding him.

I still declare that Rogue One is going to be insanely good.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Bingo.

And yeah. I saw the OT in the theaters too. IndyColtsFan I still have all my figures/toys as well. maybe we can have a play date sometime soon!?

I'll have to see if I can find my Twin Pod Cloud Car and have Lando and Lobot fly it over to your house.

 

[Homerboy]

I'll have to see if I can find my Twin Pod Cloud Car and have Lando and Lobot fly it over to your house.

I got em!
And TWO Twin Pod Cloud Car pilots!!!

 

[Homerboy]

I think this is a great summation from a gizmodo commentator:

Disney and Abrams did on their first attempt out of the gate what he couldn’t do with all three prequel films, they made us care even more about the Star Wars universe than we did before.

 

[ctark]

Well, I'm not your average Star Wars fan so I guess I'll comment. Unlike most of you kiddies (get off my lawn!), I saw all the movies in their original theatrical releases and subsequent theatrical rereleases (before anything ever made it to video and most homes didn't yet have VCRs). Not only that, I remember seeing the trailers on TV and begging my dad to take my brother and I. As a kid, Star Wars was my life - I still have, boxed up in my attic, garage, and closet, most of my Star Wars toys from the 70s and 80s including some relatively rare pieces (IG-88 large size, the blue Snaggletooth figure, and Luke Stormtrooper from the 1984 PotF line).

Now that I've established my SW street cred, I'll comment. We all know every single thing you mentioned, and still, all of it is irrelevant. I mean, was there ANYONE in the world who, after seeing Return of the Jedi in 1983, thought to him/herself: "Man, I REALLY hope Lucas shows us the Jedi who discovered that trick and taught others!" Was anyone screaming after any of the original 3 movies: "DAMN IT, Lucas had BETTER tell us the biological markers for force sensitivity!" Of course not. The point is that the Force (and the Jedi) were cool when it was a mysterious force controlled by certain individuals. Lucas cheapened it with his lame explanations - he should've just left it as-is and not tried to invent crap like "midichlorians."

Don't get me wrong, I actually liked the character of Qui-Gon Jinn. But he was not necessary to the story at all. In the stories we got, Jar Jar actually had a far bigger impact by being the imbecile who handed Palpatine his emergency powers. IMO, Lucas should've completely skipped the story that was told in the Phantom Menace and started with a teenage Anakin and Obi-wan with the Clone Wars starting towards the end of the "new" Episode 1.

Midiclorians and Jar Jar are not what is wrong with Episode I. Sure Jar Jar is annoying to adults, but kids at the time actually probably enjoyed the character and thought he was funny, that was his intended purpose. You have the mind of an adult, not the mind of a child and you have mostly forgotten what its like to have a mind of a child. Whether you agree with the timeline they started with or not, Jar Jar played an essential role in episode I by bringing the Gungans and the Humans on Naboo together. He also is the person who gave Chancellor Palpatine his emergency powers (as you mentioned). I will concede they could have gave him those powers in multiple different ways, but at that point Jar Jar was only on screen for a few seconds in the last 2 Episodes.

As far as Midiclorians are concerned, I'm perfectly fine with the explanation. What makes one person stronger in the force than another? If this was never explained then fans would probably be complaining now that we don't have an explanation. Had Lucas not sold his company, we probably would have even more information at this point about how the force works. There is something much deeper about the force that we will never get to know now that Lucas is gone. Maybe that makes you happy, but I and many other fans think it stinks.

I dont care about Greedo, and who shot first. If i had a preference then it would be the way it was originally shot. But it doesn't really change the films, and you got to see it in its original form so whats the difference anyways. Its clear that Lucas's best days of directing and writing dialogue are behind him, that wasn't his strength anyways. His strength was telling a story, and he still has that ability and Disney would be fools to not involved him somehow in their projects. I'm fine with him staying away from the new trilogy, but i would bring him in for a spin off, or the animated stuff.

Lastly, the reason you look at Star Wars different now than you did back then is that you are a jaded adult. I don't mean that as an insult, it happens to all of us. You are looking at it through different eyes. You are much smarter and wiser now and its harder to suspend belief and not nitpick and just enjoy the movie. From what you say it sounds like you wanted more of the clone wars, and that was what the animated series was all about. It showed the hero that Anakin Skywalker was, and the good man that he use to be. You only get so many minutes in a movie and it can't tell the story that a TV show can. Lucas wanted to show the downfall of Skywalker and the downfall of the Jedi order, and I think he did a pretty good job. I just shut off the really analytical side of my brain and enjoy it, like a child would.

 

[Sonikku]

Bingo.

And yeah. I saw the OT in the theaters too. IndyColtsFan I still have all my figures/toys as well. maybe we can have a play date sometime soon!?

I'm a big fan but was sadly a tadpole occupying by dad's balls at the time of the OT's theatrical release. :'(

 

[Homerboy]

Midiclorians and Jar Jar are not what is wrong with Episode I. Sure Jar Jar is annoying to adults, but kids at the time actually probably enjoyed the character and thought he was funny, that was his intended purpose. You have the mind of an adult, not the mind of a child and you have mostly forgotten what its like to have a mind of a child. Whether you agree with the timeline they started with or not, Jar Jar played an essential role in episode I by bringing the Gungans and the Humans on Naboo together. He also is the person who gave Chancellor Palpatine his emergency powers (as you mentioned). I will concede they could have gave him those powers in multiple different ways, but at that point Jar Jar was only on screen for a few seconds in the last 2 Episodes.

As far as Midiclorians are concerned, I'm perfectly fine with the explanation. What makes one person stronger in the force than another? If this was never explained then fans would probably be complaining now that we don't have an explanation. Had Lucas not sold his company, we probably would have even more information at this point about how the force works. There is something much deeper about the force that we will never get to know now that Lucas is gone. Maybe that makes you happy, but I and many other fans think it stinks.

I dont care about Greedo, and who shot first. If i had a preference then it would be the way it was originally shot. But it doesn't really change the films, and you got to see it in its original form so whats the difference anyways. Its clear that Lucas's best days of directing and writing dialogue are behind him, that wasn't his strength anyways. His strength was telling a story, and he still has that ability and Disney would be fools to not involved him somehow in their projects. I'm fine with him staying away from the new trilogy, but i would bring him in for a spin off, or the animated stuff.

Lastly, the reason you look at Star Wars different now than you did back then is that you are a jaded adult. I don't mean that as an insult, it happens to all of us. You are looking at it through different eyes. You are much smarter and wiser now and its harder to suspend belief and not nitpick and just enjoy the movie. From what you say it sounds like you wanted more of the clone wars, and that was what the animated series was all about. It showed the hero that Anakin Skywalker was, and the good man that he use to be. You only get so many minutes in a movie and it can't tell the story that a TV show can. Lucas wanted to show the downfall of Skywalker and the downfall of the Jedi order, and I think he did a pretty good job. I just shut off the really analytical side of my brain and enjoy it, like a child would.

You're completely missing the point(s).

JarJar brought the humans and Gungangs together? GREAT! And why did we need to know the story of Naboo? It's POINTLESS in the great story of "Star Wars"

As for Midiclorians... I don't need to know why one person is better or not. I don't NEED to know why Lebron James is the greatest basketball player alive, I just know he is (Steph Curry notwithstanding). Explaining the Force and making it a "thing" affected by Midiclorians makes it less of a power/force. It cheapens it greatly.

Interestingly while Greedo shooting first doesn't affect the story, it does affect the character of Han Solo. Which is a change in arguably the most popular character in all the Star Wars lore.

 

[JimKiler]

No, they won't

How about a remake of the Christmas Special then?

Are you kidding? She has done quite a few movies since the Star Wars movies including 'Black Swan' which she won an Oscar for her performance in.

She is definitely A list and a fantastic actor.

Black Swan was 5 years after Episode III. But she did the Other Boleyn Girl in 2008, 3 years after Episode III, which is underrated and good.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Midiclorians and Jar Jar are not what is wrong with Episode I. Sure Jar Jar is annoying to adults, but kids at the time actually probably enjoyed the character and thought he was funny, that was his intended purpose. You have the mind of an adult, not the mind of a child and you have mostly forgotten what its like to have a mind of a child. Whether you agree with the timeline they started with or not, Jar Jar played an essential role in episode I by bringing the Gungans and the Humans on Naboo together. He also is the person who gave Chancellor Palpatine his emergency powers (as you mentioned). I will concede they could have gave him those powers in multiple different ways, but at that point Jar Jar was only on screen for a few seconds in the last 2 Episodes.

As far as Midiclorians are concerned, I'm perfectly fine with the explanation. What makes one person stronger in the force than another? If this was never explained then fans would probably be complaining now that we don't have an explanation. Had Lucas not sold his company, we probably would have even more information at this point about how the force works. There is something much deeper about the force that we will never get to know now that Lucas is gone. Maybe that makes you happy, but I and many other fans think it stinks.

I dont care about Greedo, and who shot first. If i had a preference then it would be the way it was originally shot. But it doesn't really change the films, and you got to see it in its original form so whats the difference anyways. Its clear that Lucas's best days of directing and writing dialogue are behind him, that wasn't his strength anyways. His strength was telling a story, and he still has that ability and Disney would be fools to not involved him somehow in their projects. I'm fine with him staying away from the new trilogy, but i would bring him in for a spin off, or the animated stuff.

Lastly, the reason you look at Star Wars different now than you did back then is that you are a jaded adult. I don't mean that as an insult, it happens to all of us. You are looking at it through different eyes. You are much smarter and wiser now and its harder to suspend belief and not nitpick and just enjoy the movie. From what you say it sounds like you wanted more of the clone wars, and that was what the animated series was all about. It showed the hero that Anakin Skywalker was, and the good man that he use to be. You only get so many minutes in a movie and it can't tell the story that a TV show can. Lucas wanted to show the downfall of Skywalker and the downfall of the Jedi order, and I think he did a pretty good job. I just shut off the really analytical side of my brain and enjoy it, like a child would.

I think a lot of what you says has merit regarding the mind of a child vs. the mind of an adult. If anything, however, I think I admire the original trilogy even more. Maybe that was because the prequels were so bad that it made me love the originals even more. Maybe it is just sentimentality, though I readily admit the originals aren't perfect - for example, in Return of the Jedi, I'll readily admit that Mark Hamill and Ian McDiarmid were the only ones who bothered to show up and act. I mean, to me, the late 70s/early 80s were the best years of my life and maybe to some extent, I still have those rose colored glasses on.

But I still disagree that showing things like midichlorians added anything to the story. Heck, Lucas even stretched or completely ignored his own established canon with the prequels and that still rubs a lot of us the wrong way:

1. IIRC, Owen was Kenobi's brother in the SW novelization.
2. The battle between Vader and Kenobi in which Kenobi defeats Vader was slightly different; I can live with the way it was depicted but I think it could've been better and Obi-Wan certainly didn't try to dissuade Anakin very strongly:

RotJ novelization:
Kenobi: “When I saw what has become of him, I tried to dissuade him, to draw him back from the dark side. We fought … your father fell into a molten pit. When your father clawed his way out of that fiery pool, the change had been burned into him forever–he was Darth Vader., without a trace of Anakin Skywalker. Irredeemably dark. Scarred. Kept alive only by machinery and his own black will …”

3. From the movie:
Kenobi: "Luke, you're going to find that many of the truths we cling to depend greatly on our own point of view. Anakin was a good friend. When I first met him, your father was already a great pilot. But I was amazed how strongly the Force was with him. I took it upon myself to train him as a Jedi. I thought that I could instruct him just as well as Yoda. I was wrong. "

A great pilot? Uh, what? A 9 year-old kid is a "great pilot?" To try to meet this, Lucas threw in the lame pod racing scheme and then had Anakin bumble his way to the droid control ship in a Naboo Starfighter, luck his way into destroying it, and then flying back.

 

[ImpulsE69]

Thanks for the recap but he still was irrelevant. As irrelevant as Darth Maul.
If his story line was excluded, nothing would have been lost.

You could argue that for every movie ever, especially all of the Star Wars movies...so not really sure what you are getting at there.

 

[zinfamous]

there really is no point to the prequels. They offer absolutely nothing to the story that was already created with the trilogy and, in fact, only serve to detract from the myth.

The world was already perfectly set up for what it was and while it can be argued that had the prequels not failed so horribly miserably from every angle: writing, acting, and story (yes, the stories were fucking horrible: no sense trying to delude yourselves there), they could have been relevant. But as it stands, we can only work with what is there--which is essentially some vision of a gigantic pussy that never stopped being a pussy until he somehow became the most evil terrifying and effective bad guy in the history of the universe. And none of that makes sense.

So, just burn them from your collective memories. In fact, it should be perfectly acceptable to burn all of the original prints so that they can be forgotten to history.

Anyone that calls themselves a Star Wars fan and attempts to put some sort of value in those pieces of shit, is fooling themselves about their fandom.

 

[zinfamous]

Agreed, because Natalie Portman is decent but she could not get work afterwards reportedly.

reportedly? seriously?

You know, all you have to do is perform a quick google search before repeating such a silly thing again.

 

[JimKiler]

reportedly? seriously?

You know, all you have to do is perform a quick google search before repeating such a silly thing again.

I did that but even if she did say it the claim is debatable since she has been in several high profile movies since like the before mentioned Black Swan.

 

[JulesMaximus]

I think this is a great summation from a gizmodo commentator:

Disney and Abrams did on their first attempt out of the gate what he couldn’t do with all three prequel films, they made us care even more about the Star Wars universe than we did before.

I completely agree. I saw it Friday with my son and we loved the movie. I cared about the characters and most of the movie had purpose.

I saw Episode I in the theater with a friend of mine a few weeks after it debuted and we both were sitting there going WTF? It is comical how bad that movie is. I didn't even bother seeing the other two prequels in the theater because the first one was so bad.

 

[DAGTA]

i hope not. Episode 7 is the worst one, so far.