Will Georgia indict? May find out tonight! Update: Posted Jan 9 finally indicted Aug 14.

[Pens1566]

I believe this person was cited previously as an expert:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1634014588030054400

25 to L ...

 

[hal2kilo]

Lots of phone calls to GA officials other than Raffensperger by the Orange one.

"Jaw-dropping": Experts stunned after report reveals new tape of Trump pressuring Georgia official | Salon.com

The clock is ticking.

 

[conehead433]

So why has the DOJ not charged Trump with violating federal campaign finance laws? By failing to charge immediately after Trump left office have they allowed the statute of limitations to kick in? I would think that SOL would not apply as any charge was put on hold while Trump was President but the clock would restart when he left office. There are a number of state crimes that are put on hold when a person leaves a state, but can be reinstated when they return to that state. The big question is why is the DOJ not doing it's job.

 

[hal2kilo]

So why has the DOJ not charged Trump with violating federal campaign finance laws? By failing to charge immediately after Trump left office have they allowed the statute of limitations to kick in? I would think that SOL would not apply as any charge was put on hold while Trump was President but the clock would restart when he left office. There are a number of state crimes that are put on hold when a person leaves a state, but can be reinstated when they return to that state. The big question is why is the DOJ not doing it's job.

Great question.

 

[fskimospy]

So why has the DOJ not charged Trump with violating federal campaign finance laws? By failing to charge immediately after Trump left office have they allowed the statute of limitations to kick in? I would think that SOL would not apply as any charge was put on hold while Trump was President but the clock would restart when he left office. There are a number of state crimes that are put on hold when a person leaves a state, but can be reinstated when they return to that state. The big question is why is the DOJ not doing it's job.

I think the DOJ is going to indict Trump for other things but I agree. I get why they did not investigate him while he was president (I imagine they were prohibited from doing that) but after he was out of office that investigation should have started back up immediately. I mean he's literally listed as an unindicted co-conspirator in the case that sent his personal lawyer to prison on this issue.

 

[conehead433]

I think the DOJ is going to indict Trump for other things but I agree. I get why they did not investigate him while he was president (I imagine they were prohibited from doing that) but after he was out of office that investigation should have started back up immediately. I mean he's literally listed as an unindicted co-conspirator in the case that sent his personal lawyer to prison on this issue.

I asked because he's probably only facing a falsifying records charge in NY when he should be spending at least the same amount of time in prison as Cohen, and IMO more time because he has denied, cried, and lied about the whole Stormy Daniels affair and payoff. I get that he will probably be charged for other crimes, but he should be charged for all the crimes he has committed like every other US citizen would be. The DOJ cherry picking what crimes to charge is just total BS.

 

[eelw]

But it’s stupid the DOJ OLC memo. Like sure they don’t want to distract or impede POTUS from doing their duty with a criminal investigation. Umm no, corrupt or criminal acts done by a sitting president is their own fault. There is a presidential line of succession to ensure an orderly transition if required.

 

[Moonbeam]

But it’s stupid the DOJ OLC memo. Like sure they don’t want to distract or impede POTUS from doing their duty with a criminal investigation. Umm no, corrupt or criminal acts done by a sitting president is their own fault. There is a presidential line of succession to ensure an orderly transition if required.

In my opinion the problem lies in projection. In my opinion the liberals in the DOJ fear earning a reputation as motivated by partisanship, what no conservative DOJ prosicutor would worry about at all, despite being seen as worthy of contempt for that reason by liberals.

I think, therefore, that liberals in the DOJ, and particularly, Garland, feel such contempt for partisanship themselves they are paralyzed when it comes to taking any action that would, by projection, appear to apply to them. This is really just disguised ego protection based on moral cowardliness. Justice is justice and doesn't care what people think.

But then if a voting majority of the voting population of the US had any moral character they would never have elected Trump in the first place. Our government reflects who we are.

The need to make a living, the need to have money to survive, and the competition to get it has turned a once more principled people into moral trash so devoid of introspective awareness as to view their inner moral emptiness into a source of pride, and sufficiently so to elect KING SWINE, Donald Trump who blathers endlessly about his ego.

"If only I could feel that good about myself too. What miracle is this? A worthless piece of shit claims to be better than me. I gotta join that parade."

 

[fskimospy]

But it’s stupid the DOJ OLC memo. Like sure they don’t want to distract or impede POTUS from doing their duty with a criminal investigation. Umm no, corrupt or criminal acts done by a sitting president is their own fault. There is a presidential line of succession to ensure an orderly transition if required.

It's that and it's also that the president runs the department of justice so he can literally just tell them to stop investigating him.

The system we have where the president is immune to all laws is going to come back and bite us in a terrible way someday.

 

[sportage]

I think, therefore, that liberals in the DOJ, and particularly, Garland, feel such contempt for partisanship themselves they are paralyzed when it comes to taking any action that would, by projection, appear to apply to them. This is really just disguised ego protection based on moral cowardliness. Justice is justice and doesn't care what people think.

Paralyzed. That seems to be the operative word.

par·a·lyzed
ADJECTIVE
of a person or part of the body partly or wholly incapable of movement:
"Merick Garland became paralyzed"

 

[Moonbeam]

Paralyzed. That seems to be the operative word.

par·a·lyzed
ADJECTIVE
of a person or part of the body partly or wholly incapable of movement:
"Merick Garland became paralyzed"

That and cowardliness, in my opinion since they both arise out of the same cause, the ego fearing being held in contempt because the ego exists to defend against feeling that we are contemptible already.

 

[Moonbeam]

It's that and it's also that the president runs the department of justice so he can literally just tell them to stop investigating him.

The system we have where the president is immune to all laws is going to come back and bite us in a terrible way someday.

That would not be an issue, in my opinion, were it not for the suspicion I am guessing you have, that we are on a downward moral trajectory and some future shit bag of a President matching the trend.

 

[fskimospy]

That would not be an issue, in my opinion, were it not for the suspicion I am guessing you have, that we are on a downward moral trajectory and some future shit bag matching the trend.

I don’t, actually. I think it’s an American tradition dating back centuries to think current society is in a state of moral decline. This is more of a mistake we made a long time ago and it’s been a time bomb ever since.

 

[Moonbeam]

I don’t, actually. I think it’s an American tradition dating back centuries to think current society is in a state of moral decline. This is more of a mistake we made a long time ago and it’s been a time bomb ever since.

It's an interesting topic to speculate about. From one perspective I would say you are right. From a conservative point of view society is in a constant state of decline as society sheds the almost infinite supply of conservative bigotry expressed typically as absolute moral code, in the process of liberalization. In that respect bellyaching about moral decline is a sign that society is progressing as I think it is even today.

I think what happens is that when power structures, elites, are under threat of replacement, societies begin to teeter on the brink of social unrest and actually tip over into it. This could be called the darkest before the dawn stage. Power becomes more desperate amplifying the force needed to oust it.

In the West, however we experienced the Dark Ages and Nazi Germany and the rise of world communism, all retrograde forces in my opinion. So we can actually backslide. I think the possibility of that today is much more real than my liking and certainly beyond my power to foretell.

So in my opinion then, what is a mistake, and if we have made one in the past can only be judged in hindsight and since our forefathers had no such experience of a President like Trump it is not in my personal opinion fair to call their lack of anticipation a mistake. Perhaps they were only naive. When I think of a mistake I picture doing something you had the data from which you could have done better with better analysis.

Anyway they did fuck up but I take comfort in the fact that there are people who say so and want to fix it. That is proof, in my opinion at least, of an evolution in liberal thinking. Things are looking worse and worse for some because they are getting better and better for everyone. Self haters think there is so little love in the world you have to keep others from getting any to have any for yourself.

 

[eelw]

I’m still on the side we won’t see Jack Smith indictments until both cases are fully investigated. But documents case, Mar a Lago staff subpoenaed now.

 

[you2]

I think a Georgia indictment might trigger an indictment from Jack Smith; not for classified document; but for 'federal' crimes in his attempt to over throw the election (fake electoral et all); kind of prefer he gets prosecuted in Georgia given that a later republican president can't pardon that (or course there will be pressure on each successive governor of Georgia to pardon hiim since they will likely run on that platform).

 

[conehead433]

Massive event coming in regard to Trump and those who chose to lie under oath to the Grand Jury in the Georgia investigation. The article can be found on AJC.com, which is the Atlanta Journal & Constitution. Bryan Tyler Cohen and Glenn Kirschner cover it on YouTube.

 

[hal2kilo]

In my opinion the problem lies in projection. In my opinion the liberals in the DOJ fear earning a reputation as motivated by partisanship, what no conservative DOJ prosicutor would worry about at all, despite being seen as worthy of contempt for that reason by liberals.

I think, therefore, that liberals in the DOJ, and particularly, Garland, feel such contempt for partisanship themselves they are paralyzed when it comes to taking any action that would, by projection, appear to apply to them. This is really just disguised ego protection based on moral cowardliness. Justice is justice and doesn't care what people think.

But then if a voting majority of the voting population of the US had any moral character they would never have elected Trump in the first place. Our government reflects who we are.

The need to make a living, the need to have money to survive, and the competition to get it has turned a once more principled people into moral trash so devoid of introspective awareness as to view their inner moral emptiness into a source of pride, and sufficiently so to elect KING SWINE, Donald Trump who blathers endlessly about his ego.

"If only I could feel that good about myself too. What miracle is this? A worthless piece of shit claims to be better than me. I gotta join that parade."

Oh I'm sure it's about risking our precious democracy just to appear to be non-political, but the country is at stake.

 

[MrSquished]

I’ve been saying it for a while, yes. Everything that has happened since then has made it more likely that I’m right.

I do admit it will be satisfying to see the ‘lol nothing matters’ people try to explain why they couldn’t see the abundantly obvious outcome here.

I've always agreed that Trump will be indicted, but I'm pretty sure you said you think Trump will be in jail before the 2024 elections, and that's just funny.

 

[Moonbeam]

Oh I'm sure it's about risking our precious democracy just to appear to be non-political, but the country is at stake.

You have to be careful when you say the country is at stake. What you call 'being at stake' is for others 'being saved'.

Perhaps you were never told this is a White Christian nation run by men as the Bible intended and that the privilege of that self entitled group's power structure is threated by too many voters disagreeing with it. It's the ignorance of the masses that are a threat to the country so clearly it's democracy that's the enemy of the people.

 

[fskimospy]

I've always agreed that Trump will be indicted, but I'm pretty sure you said you think Trump will be in jail before the 2024 elections, and that's just funny.

I definitely never said that.

 

[Greenman]

My prediction.
This is going to be quite the spectacle. Swat teams, helicopters, and black SUV's. Plenty of body armor and automatic weapons. Perhaps an ambulance for the officer that trips on the carpet and gets a nasty rug burn.
They're by God going to bring that octogenarian in at any cost.

 

[fskimospy]

My prediction.
This is going to be quite the spectacle. Swat teams, helicopters, and black SUV's. Plenty of body armor and automatic weapons. Perhaps an ambulance for the officer that trips on the carpet and gets a nasty rug burn.
They're by God going to bring that octogenarian in at any cost.

I predict Trump will walk in and walk out of whatever courthouse with nothing at all happening to him personally and whatever security exists will be to prevent far right insurrectionists from attacking the proceedings.

Trump is a white collar criminal, there will be no perp walk. That’s reserved for the poors.

 

[Greenman]

I predict Trump will walk in and walk out of whatever courthouse with nothing at all happening to him personally and whatever security exists will be to prevent far right insurrectionists from attacking the proceedings.

Trump is a white collar criminal, there will be no perp walk. That’s reserved for the poors.

I get that, but a raid gives the impression that Trump is dangerous. They showed up the first time with automatic weapons and body armor, they need to top that to demonstrate how serious the crime is.
Optics are important in establishing that Trump is dangerous as well. A fat old white guy with a bad spray tan walking into the local PD doesn't impart a dangerous criminal persona. They need scary black weapons, body armor, and all the hardware they can round up so we all know how serious the situation is. Trump is dangerous criminal and needs to be treated as such. That's also why the arrest was leaked, they need to make sure there is plenty of media in attendance to report on the event.

Edit: I will come back and admit I was wrong should the event not unfold as predicted.

 

[IronWing]

My prediction.
This is going to be quite the spectacle. Swat teams, helicopters, and black SUV's. Plenty of body armor and automatic weapons. Perhaps an ambulance for the officer that trips on the carpet and gets a nasty rug burn.
They're by God going to bring that octogenarian in at any cost.

Every once in awhile you show the depth of your depravity. This is one of those times.