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akugami

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I think they hate Joe Biden because Fox News tells them to hate him 365 days a year twice a day or is it three times a day ?

Three times a day. But for special occasions like Christmas, they repeat it 10 times. Just to increase the holiday cheers.
 

you2

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I'm not sure that statement is really supported. All that equipment we are giving to Ukraine is a boost to the economy. Lots of industries are making huge bank building equipment for that war and that in turn boosts local economies. How would supporting Russia have improved our economy?
Yes; but everyone felt the steep rise in gas prices and that impacted prices in everything from toilet paper to house building; to basic services like pest control.
 

fskimospy

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Yes; but everyone felt the steep rise in gas prices and that impacted prices in everything from toilet paper to house building; to basic services like pest control.
Gas prices were not and are not particularly expensive by historical standards.
 

SMOGZINN

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Yes; but everyone felt the steep rise in gas prices and that impacted prices in everything from toilet paper to house building; to basic services like pest control.
I don't know if who America backed made much of a difference in gas prices. When war breaks out in a major oil production area prices pretty much always go up, if for no other reason then predatory investing in the oil markets. Maybe it would have stabilized faster, or maybe Ukraine being more desperate would have attacked the oil fields to cripple Russia's economy. It is all speculative fiction at this point.
 

you2

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I don't know if who America backed made much of a difference in gas prices. When war breaks out in a major oil production area prices pretty much always go up, if for no other reason then predatory investing in the oil markets. Maybe it would have stabilized faster, or maybe Ukraine being more desperate would have attacked the oil fields to cripple Russia's economy. It is all speculative fiction at this point.
It made a huge deal because we restricted the flow of Russian gas; and while we ended up buying some of it indirectly via india who continued to imported such - i know i saw the immediate impact on prices for a project i was in the middle. I'm not saying we made the wrong choice but the choices we (usa) made had a definite bump in the economy which of course the far right jumped all over for at least short term political gains.

Of course long term none of it matter - in some distant future the economy will look totally different and what happened in 2022/2023 will barely be a footnote.
 

you2

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Gas prices were not and are not particularly expensive by historical standards.
Gas prices around the first 4 months of Ukraine war saw a sharp rise - look at the graphs. HIstorical standards are not relevant what is relevant is how much joe blow paid in jan, feb, march and april of 2022 - this is not rocket science. People seem to have a short term memory around good events and long term memory over adverse events.
 

fskimospy

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Gas prices around the first 4 months of Ukraine war saw a sharp rise - look at the graphs. HIstorical standards are not relevant what is relevant is how much joe blow paid in jan, feb, march and april of 2022 - this is not rocket science. People seem to have a short term memory around good events and long term memory over adverse events.
A sharp rise…back to historical norms.
 

you2

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Wait, I feel like you have to pick which one is likely.
Yea - so lets be clear - historical norms are not relevant to people who are spending money today and then tomorrow. They only care about the immediate change from an emotional impact. Or we could rephrase - this way if over 10 years your bill goes up 5% - even though the change is fairly large after 10 years it is likely to have less of an emotional impact then if your bill changes by 30% in 2 months. Esp if you have someone whispering in your ear every day over that 2 month rise that it is the govt fault your bill is rising so fast.

This is compounded by the fact that slow rise over long period of time is usually offset by a slow but rising change in income. This is less likely the case when the change is sudden.

It really has to do with emotions from a day to day perspective.

Another way to put it - I was talking to someone the other day their argument went like this - all politicians are crooks and therefore what Trump is did is no different than what the Biden's crime family did (lets ignore the actual facts vs narrative); and pelosi is worse than all of them since she is making money in the stock market (lets ignore that at least in theory she has a blind portfolio relative to Trump maintaining direct control of his company); then the discussion changed to how wonderful the economy was under Trump (lets ignore that Trump inherited a wonderful economy though by the end of his tenure it was sinking fast and Biden inherited Trump's sinking economy); then there is the pivot to all the immigrants we have are because Biden won't build a border wall (lets ignore that Drones guarding the border has been shown to be more effective than a physical wall and a lot less expensive)....

Anyway the point is that the localized emotional impact drive people response and historical norms are not relevant when they see an immediate change on their wallet.
 
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cytg111

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I am all for it. But why has it taken 3-4 fucking years? The fact that it lines up with election year is what perception is gonna be. How the fuck can you blame them? It’s like the easiest layup ever.
 
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you2

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I am all for it. But why has it taken 3-4 fucking years? The fact that it lines up with election year is what perception is gonna be. How the fuck can you blame them? It’s like the easiest layup ever.
No matter when it happened it would be election interference. Also I think it only took 2 years; still an excessively long time. I think part of the issue is that they collected a bunch of evidence and then folks who wouldn't turn started to turn and they took the time to make deal with those folks to collect even more evidence - but i might be mistaken.
 
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cytg111

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No matter when it happened it would be election interference. Also I think it only took 2 years; still an excessively long time. I think part of the issue is that they collected a bunch of evidence and then folks who wouldn't turn started to turn and they took the time to make deal with those folks to collect even more evidence - but i might be mistaken.
Ok on the timeframe, but, another thing is contemplating the lifespan of the individual you are gonna indict, the mortality of the person.. He is fucking old, cant indict someone who is dead. I think it stinks a little bit. He guilty as fuck. 100%. It just seems a little gamed and it's not supposed to be.
 

you2

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Ok on the timeframe, but, another thing is contemplating the lifespan of the individual you are gonna indict, the mortality of the person.. He is fucking old, cant indict someone who is dead. I think it stinks a little bit. He guilty as fuck. 100%. It just seems a little gamed and it's not supposed to be.
I don't disagree but i would not be sad if he were to die today.... and it would save various govt the expense of prosecution.
 

Thump553

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Ok on the timeframe, but, another thing is contemplating the lifespan of the individual you are gonna indict, the mortality of the person.. He is fucking old, cant indict someone who is dead. I think it stinks a little bit. He guilty as fuck. 100%. It just seems a little gamed and it's not supposed to be.
When Trump was in office the GOP argument was he couldn't be charged then-and many argued it couldn't even be investigated then. And remember that Trump defacto began his 2024 campaign almost immediately. After fleeing the White House he had rallies/campaign events within days.

Modern US presidential politics don't have a campaign season anymore-it is perpetual. We are still 16 months from the election.

It seems to me that much of the GOP's current whining is because they want it both ways. Their real argument is that King Donnie can't be indicted or convicted of anything. Even, as he himself claimed, if he shot someone on 5th Avenue.
 
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akugami

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When Trump was in office the GOP argument was he couldn't be charged then-and many argued it couldn't even be investigated then. And remember that Trump defacto began his 2024 campaign almost immediately. After fleeing the White House he had rallies/campaign events within days.

Modern US presidential politics don't have a campaign season anymore-it is perpetual. We are still 16 months from the election.

It seems to me that much of the GOP's current whining is because they want it both ways. Their real argument is that King Donnie any Republican can't be indicted or convicted of anything. Even, as he himself claimed, if he shot someone on 5th Avenue.

FTFY
 
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I am all for it. But why has it taken 3-4 fucking years? The fact that it lines up with election year is what perception is gonna be. How the fuck can you blame them? It’s like the easiest layup ever.
Because white collar-style crimes are more complicated than a simple case of property theft. You don't want to just bag the low-level people. It takes time to collect evidence and try to flip people to snag the higher ups.
 

cytg111

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Because white collar-style crimes are more complicated than a simple case of property theft. You don't want to just bag the low-level people. It takes time to collect evidence and try to flip people to snag the higher ups.
But *years* ? We've known about the Raffenspergers call for *years* ... Come the fuck on.
 
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The only thing I can figure is that Fulton County is a very busy place with limited funding and staff. They likely have to schedule events in this case among all of the other cases they're balancing including violent crimes.
 

sportage

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I think they hate Joe Biden because Fox News tells them to hate him 365 days a year twice a day or is it three times a day ?
I know my family really hates Biden. Plus they are all Q's and Trumpies, a fine mix of insanity.
My family will go off on Biden for every little thing, and I want to say BUT TRUMP DID WORSE, TRUMP DID MUCH WORSE. But they never respond to THAT. They make fun of Biden when Biden has his senior moments, but Trump is much worse just the way he is and... 24/7. Biden is old, Trump is insane. There is a difference.

And I don't get it. Lately my sister has been bitching about her granddaughter having to pay so much for day-care. I reminded old sis that Biden was going to take care of that, help with that, but my sister doesn't listen. It's like she just wants to gripe about things that "SHE" could help fix if she would just get over this HATE BIDEN crap and vote her best interest.
WHY would any middle class vote for a deranged con-artist millionaire who will never do anything for the middle class when Joe Biden is right there ready and willing to help??? Makes no sense.
 

hal2kilo

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I know my family really hates Biden. Plus they are all Q's and Trumpies, a fine mix of insanity.
My family will go off on Biden for every little thing, and I want to say BUT TRUMP DID WORSE, TRUMP DID MUCH WORSE. But they never respond to THAT. They make fun of Biden when Biden has his senior moments, but Trump is much worse just the way he is and... 24/7. Biden is old, Trump is insane. There is a difference.

And I don't get it. Lately my sister has been bitching about her granddaughter having to pay so much for day-care. I reminded old sis that Biden was going to take care of that, help with that, but my sister doesn't listen. It's like she just wants to gripe about things that "SHE" could help fix if she would just get over this HATE BIDEN crap and vote her best interest.
WHY would any middle class vote for a deranged con-artist millionaire who will never do anything for the middle class when Joe Biden is right there ready and willing to help??? Makes no sense.
Sounds like they are glued to watching Fox.
 
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