Will getting rid of all large diesel trucks lessen traffic congestions?

jtvang125

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I know there's way more cars than these trucks but all it takes is a small group of them driving together to cause a bottleneck, especially at interchanges. Also drivers don't want to drive among these large trucks so they move over and drive in the faster lanes causing congestion in those lanes as well.

Agree or disagree?
 

janas19

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I know there's way more cars than these trucks but all it takes is a small group of them driving together to cause a bottleneck, especially at interchanges. Also drivers don't want to drive among these large trucks so they move over and drive in the faster lanes causing congestion in those lanes as well.

Agree or disagree?

Agree. Let's enact a law in Congess outlawing 18 wheel semis.
 

MotF Bane

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Banning, and enforcing, regulations against cellphone usage, eating, makeup, hair, reading, et cetera, would do vastly more to ease traffic congestion.
 

MrWizzard

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Yes, it would but the amount of problems that that would create would be worse than congestion. How are all the goods they normally move around going to get to where they need to get?

Don't say air or smaller trucks because that will not work as efficiently.

It’s like saying if I OD on morphine will my pain go away… Yes it will but then you die so what is the point.
 

natto fire

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Yeah, those truckers aren't driving those things around to be in the way, do you have a solution on how to get all the goods in the trailers to their destinations? I actually would prefer there were more people on the road that can drive as well as most truckers. Weed out the people that drive "safe" vehicles in very unsafe ways and then worry about the "unsafe" trucks that are being controlled by much more competent drivers.

Unfortunately any time I get thinking about bigger problems like this, I arrive at the same conclusion that there are just too many on this planet that want too much.
 

exar333

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It wouldn't hurt traffic, but realize that commercial trucks pay a HUGE portion of our road upkeep. Banning them would likely result in either increased state/federal taxes to compensate, or a significant increase in gas taxes.
 

JulesMaximus

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Cal Trans just opened up 2 HOV/Carpool lanes on the 15 freeway (a heavily travelled route between the inland empire and downtown San Diego) which actually did quite a bit to improve traffic flow here. So now there are 4 lanes for regular traffic plus 2 more HOV lanes in each direction from Miramar all the way up to Escondido. It has been nice to get on the 15 in the morning and move along at 75-80mph all the way down to my exit during rush hour (FTR-Rush hour here is more like 3 hours).

Now if they would only expand the 78 freeway...
 

ElFenix

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It wouldn't hurt traffic, but realize that commercial trucks pay a HUGE portion of our road upkeep. Banning them would likely result in either increased state/federal taxes to compensate, or a significant increase in gas taxes.

no. heavy trucks pay a fraction of the wear the trucks actually do to the road. in addition, the roads have to be built to much heavier standards than if the only thing around was cars and light trucks.


(FTR-Rush hour here is more like 3 hours).
amateurs.
 

slugg

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They just need to design better roads and traffic algorithms. That's the main problem. How many times have you been stopped, as well as many other cars, at a stop light just waiting, while NOBODY is going through an intersection? That shouldn't happen.

As for highway congestion, most of the fault lies with the design of the junctions and exits. They need to flow better.
 

Zenmervolt

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The number of highway clusterf*cks that I've seen from trucks is ridiculously small; far smaller proportionally than the number of trucks on the road.

The problem isn't the semis, the problem is idiots in cars.

ZV
 

natto fire

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They just need to design better roads and traffic algorithms. That's the main problem. How many times have you been stopped, as well as many other cars, at a stop light just waiting, while NOBODY is going through an intersection? That shouldn't happen.

As for highway congestion, most of the fault lies with the design of the junctions and exits. They need to flow better.

I don't think that is as large a problem as the fact that many major junctions are handling tons more traffic than they were designed to. After living in several larger US cities and remote areas all over the country, I believe people using the roadway coupled with aging infrastructure is the major culprit.

As for the no one using an intersection timed lights, I do still see these, but mostly at intersections with left turn lights, in which case I ignore the red arrow and make my turn if there is no through traffic.

Kind of hard to blame engineers when their design ends up being used for 20 years or more than they were anticipating, or bad drivers that have no problem merging on to a freeway at 25MPH in light traffic. Haven't seen the old stop at the end of an onramp since I lived in Florida, though.
 

exdeath

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The number of highway clusterf*cks that I've seen from trucks is ridiculously small; far smaller proportionally than the number of trucks on the road.

The problem isn't the semis, the problem is idiots in cars.

ZV

This. I've seen people not eating, not on a cell phone, not doing makeup,not old, but both hands on the wheel and looking dead ahead while going 10-20 under like they are high on antidepressants. People with slow synapses in general need to be banned from interacting with other people in public, not trucks.
 

Linflas

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Yeah, those truckers aren't driving those things around to be in the way, do you have a solution on how to get all the goods in the trailers to their destinations? I actually would prefer there were more people on the road that can drive as well as most truckers. Weed out the people that drive "safe" vehicles in very unsafe ways and then worry about the "unsafe" trucks that are being controlled by much more competent drivers.

Unfortunately any time I get thinking about bigger problems like this, I arrive at the same conclusion that there are just too many on this planet that want too much.

Long haul trailers on rail cars then short haul via the traditional tractor trailer to the delivery point? The only reason long haul trucking is able to compete with freight rail is because their infrastructure costs are largely spread across the driving public while the railroads maintain their infrastructure themselves. That said one pinhead in a car can cause more traffic havoc than trucks any day.
 

slugg

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For the most part, truckers are actually very good drivers, in my experience.
 

Ferzerp

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For the most part, truckers are actually very good drivers, in my experience.

They are also very selfish drivers and have no qualms about passing going up a mountain where neither truck can go above 50mph and one truck is geared such that it will never pass the other truck, but will instead get about halfway past the other before the other truck is going faster than it is...

I have never seen a semi driver be courteous to traffic. Nearly every time I drive on interstates, I see a long hill with two semis side by side, and a line of 10-20 cars behind them waiting for the one in the left lane to pass or give up passing.

That said, passenger vehicles do this as well, but get the picture more easily when you point out how rude they are being with their driving.

edit: any law targetting that type of behaviour would cover both passenger vehicles and semis, so it would be win win. It would be difficult to craft a law that covered that situation, while still allowing for left lane driving during periods of true congestion though. It would also be nearly impossible to enforce such a law.
 
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Kelvrick

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I've seen plenty of accidents caused by cars while an accident with a semi causes a HUGE fuckup. I know better than to think we'll ever get rid of congestion without large investments in public transportation. Even then, people are douchebags.

I want to get rid of all the 18 wheelers that go interstate. I'd prefer more of our infrastructure be on rails with the trucks only dispersing the goods locally (say 100 miles or so).
 

alkemyst

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They just need to design better roads and traffic algorithms. That's the main problem. How many times have you been stopped, as well as many other cars, at a stop light just waiting, while NOBODY is going through an intersection? That shouldn't happen.

As for highway congestion, most of the fault lies with the design of the junctions and exits. They need to flow better.

Down here is more or less due to people not staying to the right most lanes and insisting they should dictate traffic flow.

We have 8+ lane highways in gridlock and arial video will show it all stems from a lead line of cars driving at a 10-15mph reduced speed.

Instead our police focus on opportunists in the HOV lanes and speeders.

Unfortuntately to add to the traffic problem the police shoot laser/radar from the on ramps causing all on-ramp traffic to reduce to a single lane. They then pull people over in the merging area causing on-ramp traffic and that traffic passing it to go into panics.
 

Ferzerp

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I'd prefer 3 lane highways where semis were prohibited from using the leftmost lane, but that requires massive infrastructure upgrades.
 

MrWizzard

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I've seen plenty of accidents caused by cars while an accident with a semi causes a HUGE fuckup. I know better than to think we'll ever get rid of congestion without large investments in public transportation. Even then, people are douchebags.

I want to get rid of all the 18 wheelers that go interstate. I'd prefer more of our infrastructure be on rails with the trucks only dispersing the goods locally (say 100 miles or so).

Usually (<does not mean always) a Semi accident has some little car involved that did something it shouldn&#8217;t have. Semis are not cars, they need lots of room to stop and turn. Most people don't realize that and cut them off mercilessly not knowing they are playing with their lives.

These people who say trucks are slow don&#8217;t realize how much work it is to constantly work through 18 gears. Meanwhile you are in your automatic with it set in D. They have like 2000 RPMs between shifts.

Commercial drivers licenses are harder to get and are stricter than your standard drivers license. Of the two, if numbers were equal, CARS have the greater number of worse drivers.
 

Baked

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You just need to buy a bigger truck than the asshole driving the big truck next to you.
 

natto fire

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I'd prefer 3 lane highways where semis were prohibited from using the leftmost lane, but that requires massive infrastructure upgrades.

[p&n]Which would require massive amounts of locally sourced materials, and provide massive amounts of jobs, lets spend the money on bank bailouts and questionable wars instead.[/p&n] Oh yeah, and lets close thousands of bridges because we can't afford to maintain/repair them.

Either way, the driver is the most dangerous variable in the equation and will continue to be while it is so stinking easy to get a license. As pointed out above, CDL requirements are more stringent than a regular license, more expensive and harder to renew.

Ferzerp, the truckers you describe are pretty rare in my experience, do you live near the west coast? I definitely saw this more frequently when I lived in New Mexico, but traffic density was so low most of the time it didn't matter as much. I almost always see trucks driving pretty well around here on the major interstates, and we have a notoriously fucked I70-I71 interchange around here. All of this applies to off-peak times, at rush hour it is cut-throat driving all around, but actually works pretty well, IMO.
 

Ferzerp

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I live in TN, we have very few flat places, so there are many, many opportunities for this to happen because it seems you're spending over half your time going noticeably up, or noticeably down.
 

jlee

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They are also very selfish drivers and have no qualms about passing going up a mountain where neither truck can go above 50mph and one truck is geared such that it will never pass the other truck, but will instead get about halfway past the other before the other truck is going faster than it is...

I have never seen a semi driver be courteous to traffic. Nearly every time I drive on interstates, I see a long hill with two semis side by side, and a line of 10-20 cars behind them waiting for the one in the left lane to pass or give up passing.

That said, passenger vehicles do this as well, but get the picture more easily when you point out how rude they are being with their driving.

edit: any law targetting that type of behaviour would cover both passenger vehicles and semis, so it would be win win. It would be difficult to craft a law that covered that situation, while still allowing for left lane driving during periods of true congestion though. It would also be nearly impossible to enforce such a law.

In my experience, semitruck drivers are among the best out there. I've driven coast to coast twice, and NH/FL or vice versa at least 7 times.
 

mmntech

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Tractor trailers are THE biggest source of congestion on Toronto highways by far. Especially the 401, which connects Windsor/Detroit to Montreal, via Toronto. It's gotten somewhat worse since the province mandated they be governed to 110kph.

In my experience, semi truck drivers are as bad as the car drivers. In my three years of driving for the rental industry, I've seen truck drivers do downright terrifying things on the road. Aggressive driving, taking ramps too fast, loosing wheels. Once saw a semi trying to run an SUV off the road. No idea what pissed him off that much. More commonly, they refuse to share the road by following too closely (so other vehicles can't merge) and they refuse to keep right despite driving below the posted limit. They also filter onto local two lane roads to skip the weigh scales on the highway, causing huge backups in the morning. There's one road near me where it takes literally 15 minutes to drive all of 3km because of the trucks doing exactly that.

Not that car drivers don't pull the same stunts. They cause the majority of accidents. But trucks are much bigger vehicles so the danger/intimidation/stupidity factor is amplified. I think they get way too much credit for their driving ability. Maybe long haul truckers are better, but certainly not the local ones. Those places hire foreign and temp workers at low wages. Any idiot can get/buy an AZ license.

Personally, I'd like to see bigger investments made in rail infrastructure to get the long haul trucks off the road.
 

manimal

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I think if we get rid of all bus lanes that would be a start.


funny thing is I am wearing jeans and a dress shirt


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