Will Intel release a 64 bit processor that fits the pentium M socket in the future?

bkspitfire

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I'm considering buying a notebook with a pentium m processor, but i was wondering if they will offer cpus to fit the slot in the future that will be 64 bit compatible. I know the new 600 series of the p4's have 64 bit support. Anyone have any idea on this? Thanks a lot.
 

Jassi

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No idea, I think there will be a new socket before 64 bit is needed in the Centrinos anyway. I have heard that Intel doesnt have mobile 64 bit support in the works for atleast a year and I don't blame them. It might be about 2007 by the time that 64 bit support is a must have (64 bit is more of a marketing thing right now). Right now there are limited if not negligent benefits from switching to 64 bit Windows XP. I can't say anything about linux.
 

bkspitfire

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Originally posted by: Jassi
No idea, I think there will be a new socket before 64 bit is needed in the Centrinos anyway. I have heard that Intel doesnt have mobile 64 bit support in the works for atleast a year and I don't blame them. It might be about 2007 by the time that 64 bit support is a must have (64 bit is more of a marketing thing right now). Right now there are limited if not negligent benefits from switching to 64 bit Windows XP. I can't say anything about linux.


If i buy a Dell 9300 do you think i'll be able to upgrade it to a 64 bit mobile processor eventually or? I would hate to buy it and then have it become obsolete. Thanks
 

BlingBlingArsch

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next Intel mobile CPU will be Yonah. I guess it will need a new Socket. Not sure about EM64 but i think Yonah will be 64bit ready.
 

fbrdphreak

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No, current Pentium M platforms will not support 64-bit CPU's unless there is some kind of socket adapter, which won't work for a laptop.
 

bkspitfire

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What is the great advantage of the pentium m anyways? I mean is it just for power saving ?

Would i be better off buying a laptop with a p4 EE 600 series processor with the 64 bit support? I won't ever be using hte battery so. Advice?
 

fbrdphreak

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If you won't ever use the battery, buy an Athlon 64. 64-bit compatible and better performance overall than a P4; plus cheaper & uses a LOT less power (== less heat)

Pentium M's are great because they are very powerful (for the clockspeed) and use VERY little power, translating to great battery life & little heat. :thumbsup: Awesome CPU

Why is it you think you need 64-bit?
 

Jassi

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Originally posted by: bkspitfire
Originally posted by: Jassi
No idea, I think there will be a new socket before 64 bit is needed in the Centrinos anyway. I have heard that Intel doesnt have mobile 64 bit support in the works for atleast a year and I don't blame them. It might be about 2007 by the time that 64 bit support is a must have (64 bit is more of a marketing thing right now). Right now there are limited if not negligent benefits from switching to 64 bit Windows XP. I can't say anything about linux.


If i buy a Dell 9300 do you think i'll be able to upgrade it to a 64 bit mobile processor eventually or? I would hate to buy it and then have it become obsolete. Thanks

Computers ALWAYS get obsolete. There is more power in the latest cell phone than there was in a multi-million dollar supercomputer of the last decade.
 

bkspitfire

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Originally posted by: fbrdphreak
If you won't ever use the battery, buy an Athlon 64. 64-bit compatible and better performance overall than a P4; plus cheaper & uses a LOT less power (== less heat)

Pentium M's are great because they are very powerful (for the clockspeed) and use VERY little power, translating to great battery life & little heat. :thumbsup: Awesome CPU

Why is it you think you need 64-bit?


Well I was thinking that when Longhorn comes out it will probably be 64 bit, also the new 64 bit XP is coming out now. Any other ideas? Thanks everyone!
 
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What is the great advantage of the pentium m anyways?
Pentium M (a Dothan running at 2,5ghz) has been proven to run faster (in games atleast) than the latest P4s and the FX55, also they use way less power so less heat and more battery life and a higher cost to buy.
 

bkspitfire

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Originally posted by: Kevlar Coated Tent
What is the great advantage of the pentium m anyways?
Pentium M (a Dothan running at 2,5ghz) has been proven to run faster (in games atleast) than the latest P4s and the FX55, also they use way less power so less heat and more battery life and a higher cost to buy.


Should I be worried about the lack of 64 bit for hte future with that chip?
 

BlingBlingArsch

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Highest clock speed u find at Dothans atm is 2,1Ghz. P-M is a good CPU, (unlike Intels desktop cpus) but dont expect it to be a gaming cpu. P-M is after all just a laptop cpu, it will never perform better than a desktop CPU. Its strong in encoding and stuff, but since it uses an old chipset its more or less not the latest technology. I expect to see Yonah having more features.

btw i dont understand why u want to use a laptop for desktop replacement? buy a desktop rig, SFF if necessary, saves u lot of money and u still get ways more performance.

64bit is a feature i would buy too. Win XP is not dying out within next 2 years but of course 64bit OS will bring more changes and probably performance. So why avoid getting a 64bit cpu
 

bkspitfire

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Originally posted by: BlingBlingArsch
Highest clock speed u find at Dothans atm is 2,1Ghz. P-M is a good CPU, (unlike Intels desktop cpus) but dont expect it to be a gaming cpu. P-M is after all just a laptop cpu, it will never perform better than a desktop CPU. Its strong in encoding and stuff, but since it uses an old chipset its more or less not the latest technology. I expect to see Yonah having more features.

btw i dont understand why u want to use a laptop for desktop replacement? buy a desktop rig, SFF if necessary, saves u lot of money and u still get ways more performance.

64bit is a feature i would buy too. Win XP is not dying out within next 2 years but of course 64bit OS will bring more changes and probably performance. So why avoid getting a 64bit cpu

I'm buying a desktop replacement because I will need to be able to take my comp with me for my job. I'll be recording music with is actually, and When i go to record i will always have it plugged in so battery life isn't really important.
 

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anyone know a good maybe barebone pc i could find? Maybe it would be good with a turion 64 processor and a replaceable pci-e slot. I think clevo has one, but thats pentium 4 no?
 

fbrdphreak

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I don't know of SFF's specifically, but right now I don't think you can find any desktop rigs with Turion's. Desktop mobo's do support Turion, but there's really no reason to buy that over a regular Athlon 64. The A64's clock higher and while they use more power/produce more heat, its not a big deal.
 

BlingBlingArsch

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Iam not sure bout Turion on desktop, but it has socket 754 so its likely that it will work on desktop S754 boards. But then, there are no advantages of Turion over Socket939 Venice or stuff like that. Plus Turion are more expensive.
If u want a SFF S939 AGP or PCI-E take a look at:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductLi...ry=0&minPrice=&maxPrice=&Go.x=0&Go.y=0
i mentioned some words bout the components here:
http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...atid=51&threadid=1603692&enterthread=y

If u want a notebook, there a some good books with X700 and either P-m or Turion. I just wouldnt suggest to buy the most expensive ones with the biggest screen WUXGA screens and all that stuff, there are good books for around 1300$ that will do for allaround use.
 

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Pentium M's are great because of their low power usage combined with ability to give the power that's needed in demand. In turn, this makes laptops run silent yet powerful enough for modern apps/games. I love being able to type in nearly pure silence.
 

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Originally posted by: BlingBlingArsch
Its strong in encoding and stuff, but since it uses an old chipset its more or less not the latest technology.

Well, its also strong in games as well. My Inspiron 9300 with a P-M 760 (2.0GHz, 533FSB) keeps up very well with my desktop machine at stock. However, no, it can't hold a candle to it when my main is OCed, but what would you expect? Also, about that chipset thing, what are you talking about? Yes, the 855M chipset is ancient tech, but the newer 915M chipset is state-of-the-art, with PCI-E, DDR2, etc. So I think that point is moot.
 

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Speaking as a fellow audio geek (with a recording rig):

An SFF that supports two 3.5" HDs may very well be an interesting option for you. Why?

A) If you are going to do multitrack audio recording on a laptop, don't expect to do it on a 2.5" laptop drive. Regardless of how nice your DTR laptop is, you MUST have a fast external HD to support multitrack audio recording. Why? Well... a 2.5" HD dedicated strictly to audio recording probably has enough bandwidth to support a few 24/96 channels, but once you factor in the swapping of the OS to the HD and other such issues it becomes dicey in a hurry - I'm talking audible drop-outs, clicks, pops, etc. If you want 8 or more 24/96 channels reliably, in my opinion it is ESSENTIAL to have a dedicated hard drive.

B) once you have that much to carry around anyway, why not go a little larger and get something with the speed and expandability of a desktop? PCI-based multitrack audio recording systems (e.g. M-Audio Delta 1010) generally have as-good-if-not-better audio quality and are substantially less expensive per audio I/O port than USB- or firewire-based cards of the same level of capability (e.g. M-Audio Firewire 410 at $500MSRP vs. more-capable (8 analog ins vs. 2) Delta 1010LT at $300). As for speed, don't forget you're going to want to run plenty of plugins (eq's, filters, flanges, reverbs, etc). Some of these plugins are going to be floating-point instructions too, which is definitely NOT the P-M's strength.

Frankly I don't personally care whether you go Intel or AMD. In my own experience, Intels are a good choice, NOT because they are faster (which they are not), but because the chipsets are the industry standard for PCI compatibility. NV does a good job on the NForce from what I hear, but when in doubt, for a music system, I'll still go Intel -- specifically because while the processing power is nice-to-have, a click-and-pop-free system is downright essential. Back in the "bad old days" of VIA KT133, KT266, etc., I knew many an engineer who assembled an Athlon system and simply couldn't rid it of click and pop problems no matter what they did... I'm not saying that's a good reason to stay away from NV now - I haven't personally experienced problems with their chipsets - just pointing out that Intel continues to set the industry standard for chipsets, which is what matters the most when trying to avoid click-and-pop probs.

Whatever route you go, I strenuously recommend the biggest, highest-resolution screen you can afford (another benefit of SFF: dual DVI outputs). Believe me when I say it is simply delightful to have your mixer panel and your editing screen up at the same time. If you're running MIDI sequencing, Plugins, Reason, VST/DX instruments, etc. it consumes screen space in a hurry!!!

Hope this helps. Feel free to private-email for more discussions (I don't get much time to pop by this forum) at eris23007@hotmail.com

Jacob


P.S. Music programs don't always update that quickly to new tech. They tend to be more concerned with continuing stability. Therefore I am of the opinion that 64-bit is not a major concern in your implementation, and frankly I'm far from convinced that it will be useful/relevant in the near future. Remember, when recording, stability is the NUMBER ONE concern.
 
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