Will Intel Scrap Prescott?

[Ticktanium2038]

I hear if they cannot get Prescott's problems cleaned up soon they will dump the Prescott in favor of Riding out the P4 and P4EE until Tejas. A Die shrink of the current P4 might occur in its place. They have until December to annouce if the chip will make it to market.

Its believed they wont be able to ramp up speeds beyond 3.4ghz either because of problems with the materials being used. They may have to move to SOI. Even then its unsure if the chips will work properly and the release may be too close to Tejas.

Trying to find link but it looks like it was removed. Japanese website. Seeing if I have it cached.

 

[Platinum321]

You've gotta be kidding me. If they dump PSC, they are dumping hundreds of millions of dollars in investments. You would need to post a link from a reliable source to have any credibility.

 

[madcow235]

They wont dump prescott. Prescott is bad for overclockers but not at all bad for OEM's since they dont care if the cpu runs at 40c or 400c as long as it runs. Intel wont move to SOI for a while since they saw what happened to AMD when they did it.

 

[bgeh]

they also have Strained Silicon

 

[Ticktanium2038]

I Think I went to the correct website again after they took the link out when the page reloaded it cleared my cache of that page.

I keep finding this link but this isnt it.

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/display/20031003092506.html

Also this page led me to that one.
http://www.overclockers.com/articles835/

Trying to retrace my steps.

There is some indication in those pages that this may be true. Another thing that comes to mind is the Prescott Chips are experiencing a high death rate and manufacturers are having a hard time getting working samples. So much so that Intel underclocks the Prescott to 2.8Ghz until they can figure out whats wrong.

The comments I got from it are that Intel will not get Prescott out the door without using SOI above 3.4Ghz. He claims it just wont work without it. I am not sure how quickly Intel can move to SOI but I dont think they can do it overnight.

 

[Wolfdog]

I doubt that they are going to scrap prescott. The roadmaps which have been showing around have prescott going upwards of 4+ghz. I have heard that SOI looses its value below .13 micron. So it really shouldn't be an option for intel at this point. The problems they are having with it should be worked through by december. It wouldn't be the first time they have had problems with this kind of thing, they usually have pulled through in the past.

 

[edmundoab]

not after spending so much on R&D
they should have scrapped it earlier if they wanted to..

as long as they don't follow NVidia's footstep of releasing NV30 and then announcing it as a failure LOL

 

[OddTSi]

Would somebody please, for the love of god, explain to me why everyone is saying that Prescott is delayed and that it's having problems when it's scheduled release is still H2 '03 as it has always been? Everyone needs to stop reading these rumor/conspiracy theory websites.

All of this is making me believe my 80% theory (80% of people are stupid) more and more.

Does no one remember how before the release of the Athlon64 how all of the sample chips were clocked low, and they weren't performing up to expectations. And there were rumors that AMD was having problems clocking it to 2GHz and that they weren't going to perform on par with expectations even when finally released, etc. Did that end up being true? No.

Before that, everyone was coming out saying how the NV35 was going to be twice as fast as NV30 and that it was going to strike a blow to ATi similar to the blow ATi struck to nVidia with R300. Did that turn out to be true? No. Before that even there were exactly the same rumors about the NV30, rumors that were even more untrue.

When will you people stop listening to rumors and just WAIT AND SEE what happens!?

 

[MadRat]

Perhaps its a strained silicon purity issue, not necessarily a design problem?

 

[smashp]

Last Week I talked to our Intel Rep and his comments were that the the problems in the die right now are not really problems, they are measures to ensure the cost to produce the wafer remain on target. He was overly confident ( granted , he is a Rep) that they will be on track for their intended Release date.

 

[Ticktanium2038]

INTEL Themselves confirmed it would be delayed till Q1 of 2004.

It also doesnt make sense that Intel would put out the P4EE if the Prescott was going to arrive soon. Why launch a CPU with only 3 months product cycle?

Same for Prescott if it even comes out Q1 of 2004 then it only has a 3 month product cycle until Tejas.

Have they even tried beta silicon of Tejas or is it still a paper processor?

And when has Intel been so secret about CPU problems? I think the last time they did this was the P3 running over a gigahertz that had major issues and the P60 problem before that. They tried to sweep them under the floor until it was exposed then they had to account for thier mistakes.

Something doesnt smell right in the Intel camp. Too many secrets and so many vendors moving quickly toward AMD system is a good indication that Intel does indeed have major problems.

There are die hard Intel companies announcing Opteron systems. Im betting it because the vendors are realizing Intel next offering is in trouble.

If I were a shareholder of Intel I would expect to see something very soon or start asking questions as to the state of its CPU lineup. Right now its very questionable.

 

[Ticktanium2038]

Its not the rumors flying it the vendors who are adopting opteron in groves. Die hard Intel Camps are putting out Opteron systems or announcing Opteron based systems.

So lets say Precott was on track and going to be released in December. Then why bother to release P4EE in December? This doesnt make sense. Even if Prescott is delayed 3 months that still doesnt make sense. Everyone would be saying well why buy the P4EE when I can buy a prescott in 3 months?

Would you buy the NV30 if you knew the NV35 was coming out in 3 months and was supposedly twice as fast?

NOW IF YOU WANT RUMORS. Prescott was delayed because they want time for Benchmarking companies to optimize thier code with the SSE3 instructions prior to launching the CPU. This is to show the Prescott as a superior processor. While if you benchmark a Precott against a current P4 with existing benchmarking utilities the prescott is slower than a P4 Equivelent. Intel doesnt want this to happen and has urged all benchmark companies to implement the new optimized code or lose funding.

 

[Spicedaddy]

Why launch a CPU with only 3 months product cycle?

Because they're just Xeons with a different packaging. It costs them nothing in R&D, yet it fills the gap in the high end for a few months and enables them to stay competitive with AMD64 until Prescott arrives. You won't see a 150$ P4EE, and they won't replace the whole P4 line with them, it's just there for a while so they have a high-end product in the consumer sector.


Prescott OTOH will eventually replace the whole P4 line... I'm not worried, who else is close .09u anyways?

 

[Wingznut]

Ticktanium2038, I've said it before (in your several other anti-Intel threads, that eventually got locked) and I'll say it again...

You are so full of it.

(Unfortunately, that's about all I can say on the subject. Sorry. )

 

[DivideBYZero]

Originally posted by: Wingznut
Ticktanium2038, I've said it before (in your several other anti-Intel threads, that eventually got locked) and I'll say it again...

You are so full of it.

(Unfortunately, that's about all I can say on the subject. Sorry. )

And coming from the man who is making them I'd say thats about as sound as it gets.

Maybe Ticktanium and SmashP are friends?

 

[Ticktanium2038]

IBM is Already there. AMD engineers were recently moved to an IBM facility working together under the same roof.

Intel is against IBM/AMD not just AMD.
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But then maybe they are even close to .065 Micron and .045? Not really but IBM has money and AMD is riding the back of Big Blue. Very Smart Partnership that Puts Intel in a bad position.

Just the plant of East Fishkill, where it comes produced used PPC 970 from Apple in the G5, will be the base near which IBM, Infineon and CSM they will work for affinare the miniaturization technologies. Near East Fishkill the combined laboratory of development between IBM and AMD always has base that always resolves to do to construct processori from 0,065 micron and in future perspective also from 0,045 micron.
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ON AUGUST 27th.
Nanotechnology to Forefront
A deal struck yesterday between AMD and Taiwan's United Microelectronics will also help the chip manufacturer raise the bar even higher, because the United Microelectronics' plant will let AMD manufacture processors at 90 nanometers -- or .09 microns.
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Now if IBM and AMD engineer work together with SOI then AMD is right behind Intel on the die shrink.

INTEL CPU's ARE STILL 32 BIT. NOT 64. Every Day Intel doesnt have a 64 bit CPU is a day More Opterons are bought becuase of it.

In the beginning of 2004 a massive amount more will abandon 32 bit in favor of 64 bit CPU's once Microsoft 64 is officially released. It wont matter if prescott is 10% faster at 32 bit applications. No one will care about 32 bit.

 

[Wingznut]

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero
Maybe Ticktanium and SmashP are friends?

Kind of like a Bizzaro version of each other.

 

[uncleX]

Strained silicon is a failure. Intel can't make it work. It's time to sell Intel stock while you can still get something for it. Their stock is down to a fraction of what it was a few years ago because people who know what is going on having been selling it off for years. It is to the point that Intel can't get the amount money they need. They are underfunding R&D and taking shortcuts, which leads to disasters like this.

Intel can't just switch to SOI unless they have aleady been working on the layout for the last several years. That's how long it would take.

 

[DivideBYZero]

Originally posted by: uncleX
Strained silicon is a failure. Intel can't make it work. It's time to sell Intel stock while you can still get something for it. Their stock is down to a fraction of what it was a few years ago because people who know what is going on having been selling it off for years. It is to the point that Intel can't get the amount money they need. They are underfunding R&D and taking shortcuts, which leads to disasters like this.

Intel can't just switch to SOI unless they have aleady been working on the layout for the last several years. That's how long it would take.

Oh my god, not another one

 

[Wingznut]

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero
Oh my god, not another one

Ha! This is good stuff!

Maybe we can consolidate all of the zealots into one thread! Imagine all the ambiguous non-factual posts... all in one place!

 

[uncleX]

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero

Originally posted by: uncleX
Strained silicon is a failure. Intel can't make it work. It's time to sell Intel stock while you can still get something for it. Their stock is down to a fraction of what it was a few years ago because people who know what is going on having been selling it off for years. It is to the point that Intel can't get the amount money they need. They are underfunding R&D and taking shortcuts, which leads to disasters like this.

Intel can't just switch to SOI unless they have aleady been working on the layout for the last several years. That's how long it would take.

Oh my god, not another one

Yes another one. smashp needs help destroying Anantech. You can't do it all by concentrating on just AMD. We want this place to be like Tom's. Tom's r00lz!

 

[Sohcan]

Originally posted by: OddTSi
When will you people stop listening to rumors and just WAIT AND SEE what happens!?

That would be a shame...I would loose all this entertaining reading material.

Its not the rumors flying it the vendors who are adopting opteron in groves. Die hard Intel Camps are putting out Opteron systems or announcing Opteron based systems.

Not that Opteron has any relevance to an upcoming desktop processor, but....

There is one tier-1 vendor (IBM) that is supplying a single Opteron system (eServer 325), targeted towards HPC clusters. This is still far from the market segment coverage needed to call Opteron being adopted in groves.

Intel is against IBM/AMD not just AMD.

IBM is against itself as much as against any other company. Their divisions (pSeries, xSeries, zSeries) are set up compete against each other. Besides their cash-cow Xeon systems, they support Itanium 2, Opteron, PPC 970, 604e, POWER3, POWER4, PowerAS, RS64, and G5/G6 for s/390 (not to be confused with the Apple G5).

INTEL CPU's ARE STILL 32 BIT. NOT 64.

Umm.... (since you brought up Opteron).

It might be time to take off the foil hat and stop watching over your shoulder for the black helicopters...

 

[Ticktanium2038]

Ive been a long supporter for Intel. I know when to Jump Off a sinking ship. Will Intel stay afloat? Absolutely. But they wont be competing until some time near 2005 maybe 2006.

Yes there is nothing Intel can produce in the next year to compete with Opteron. Near the end of 2004 I will re-evaulate Intels lineup.

32 bit is on its way out. Both Client and Server side.

There is still time for Intel in the X-box2. Unless IBM/UMC manufactures the processors for AMD and puts them in X-Box2. The 32 bit Pin Compatible of Opteron. Providing an Excellent upgrade for X-Box2 owners should they want to upgrade to 64 bit Opterons. Hint Hint.

I Would also keep the X-Box2 from melting too. LOL.

Same goes for NVIDIA. I was talking about them when all anyone could talk about was VooDoo. I am on the ATI camp. But I think were about to get a surprise from an Oldie because the majority dont buy 400.00 video cards.

DevideByZero and WingNutz if you have something usefull to add then add it. But stop with the moronic "I know you are but what am I mentality posts"

 

[Wingznut]

Originally posted by: Ticktanium2038
DevideByZero and WingNutz if you have something usefull to add then add it. But stop with the moronic "I know you are but what am I mentality posts"

How can I possibly add anything "useful" to your threads? You don't talk about any facts, just a bunch of ambiguous statements that have no basis at all.

They are so incredibly inaccurate and full of obvious naivity, that I wouldn't even know where to begin, and it is just pointless to address everything.

So, I just sit back and enjoy all of the nonsense. Like Sohcan said, these kind of threads are so enjoyable!

 

[DivideBYZero]

Originally posted by: Wingznut

Originally posted by: Ticktanium2038
DevideByZero and WingNutz if you have something usefull to add then add it. But stop with the moronic "I know you are but what am I mentality posts"

How can I possibly add anything "useful" to your threads? You don't talk about any facts, just a bunch of ambiguous statements that have no basis at all.

They are so incredibly inaccurate and full of obvious naivity, that I wouldn't even know where to begin, and it is just pointless to address everything.

So, I just sit back and enjoy all of the nonsense. Like Sohcan said, these kind of threads are so enjoyable!

If I even knew what "I know you are but what am I mentality posts" were I'd be sure to check myself...