Will science ever wipe out organized religion?

[Xdreamer]

people have a psychological need to believe in somthing.. therefore religion will never die. You may get the cult of science tho

 

[3NF]

If science, or something, can one day explain where we came from and why are we here, then yes.

Those that prefer Science can accept evolution. Those that are religious accept what is in their Bible, Koran, etc. And there is me who says all life on this planet was genetically engineered by aliens

 

[6000SUX]

Originally posted by: 3NF
If science, or something, can one day explain where we came from and why are we here ... evolution

doh

 

[dbk]

This question reminds me of that SP episode from earlier this season.

 

[BladeVenom]

Originally posted by: zinfamous
belief is not an inheritable trait. There is nothing genetic about belief. Religion is not evolutionarily adaptable.

Social Darwinism is a missapplied, misunderstood application of natural selection.

Although specific beliefs aren't inherited, the capacity for religious faith would be an inheritable trait. The way your brain works is certainly genetic.

Just because you don't like the idea of social Darwinism doesn't make it any less valid, although I wasn't really talking about social Darwinism anyways.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: 6000SUX

Originally posted by: 3NF
If science, or something, can one day explain where we came from and why are we here ... evolution

doh

Evolution tells us why we are here?

:roll:

 

[3NF]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: 6000SUX

Originally posted by: 3NF
If science, or something, can one day explain where we came from and why are we here ... evolution

doh

Evolution tells us why we are here?

:roll:

I don't think that's what I said

 

[6000SUX]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: 6000SUX

Originally posted by: 3NF
If science, or something, can one day explain where we came from and why are we here ... evolution

doh

Evolution tells us why we are here?

:roll:

Yes, obviously.

 

[6000SUX]

Originally posted by: 3NF

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: 6000SUX

Originally posted by: 3NF
If science, or something, can one day explain where we came from and why are we here ... evolution

doh

Evolution tells us why we are here?

:roll:

I don't think that's what I said

May want to take a science class someday, instead of just using the big polysyllabic words on bulletin boards.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: 6000SUX

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: 6000SUX

Originally posted by: 3NF
If science, or something, can one day explain where we came from and why are we here ... evolution

doh

Evolution tells us why we are here?

:roll:

Yes, obviously.

Really? That's amazing, because no scientist I've ever met or read would ever agree with such a statement. At best they would simply say that there is no "why." Clearly your high school science is more powerful than their doctorates...

 

[6000SUX]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: 6000SUX

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: 6000SUX

Originally posted by: 3NF
If science, or something, can one day explain where we came from and why are we here ... evolution

doh

Evolution tells us why we are here?

:roll:

Yes, obviously.

Really? That's amazing, because no scientist I've ever met or read would ever agree with such a statement. At best they would simply say that there is no "why." Clearly your high school science is more powerful than their doctorates...

You have failed to understand the very basic nature of the theory of evolution, as offering a deterministic and/or chaotic explanation for all life (as the basic principles underlying evolution can explain even how proto-cells arose out of the primordial soup). I hope your conversations with those scads of scientists didn't go right over your head, but it sounds like they may have-- or they have their "doctorates" from the Miami Upstairs Science Seminary.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: 6000SUX

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: 6000SUX

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: 6000SUX

Originally posted by: 3NF
If science, or something, can one day explain where we came from and why are we here ... evolution

doh

Evolution tells us why we are here?

:roll:

Yes, obviously.

Really? That's amazing, because no scientist I've ever met or read would ever agree with such a statement. At best they would simply say that there is no "why." Clearly your high school science is more powerful than their doctorates...

You have failed to understand the very basic nature of the theory of evolution, as offering a deterministic explanation for all life (as the basic principles underlying evolution can explain even how proto-cells arose out of the primordial soup). I hope your conversations with those scads of scientists didn't go right over your head, but it sounds like they may have-- or they have their "doctorates" from the Miami Upstairs Science Seminary.

I haven't misunderstood anything. You just told us that evolution tells us WHY we are here. And if we need a more precise definition of why, I have always preferred the way the Spanish say it, "por que," which means "for what reason" or "for what purpose."
Now, for what purpose does evolution tell us that we all exist?

 

[6000SUX]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: 6000SUX

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: 6000SUX

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: 6000SUX

Originally posted by: 3NF
If science, or something, can one day explain where we came from and why are we here ... evolution

doh

Evolution tells us why we are here?

:roll:

Yes, obviously.

Really? That's amazing, because no scientist I've ever met or read would ever agree with such a statement. At best they would simply say that there is no "why." Clearly your high school science is more powerful than their doctorates...

You have failed to understand the very basic nature of the theory of evolution, as offering a deterministic explanation for all life (as the basic principles underlying evolution can explain even how proto-cells arose out of the primordial soup). I hope your conversations with those scads of scientists didn't go right over your head, but it sounds like they may have-- or they have their "doctorates" from the Miami Upstairs Science Seminary.

I haven't misunderstood anything. You just told us that evolution tells us WHY we are here. And if we need a more precise definition of why, I have always preferred the way the Spanish say it, "por que," which means "for what reason" or "for what purpose."
Now, for what purpose does evolution tell us that we all exist?

You have misunderstood everything (in your scads of conversations with actual, real-life researchers, yet). You have repeatedly, just in the last few minutes, misunderstood the very simple language of my very own posts here. I'm going to break it down very simply: we are here because (this part here is the answer to "why") of the action of evolutionary principles. That is the reason we exist. Let's stick to English. Next time you want to ask "por que" we exist (for which I've given an answer several times now), ask a Spanish ID theorist to get the answer you crave. ROFLMAO

Being stubborn won't get you far if it's not backed up with a little extra.

 

[EXman]

Originally posted by: 6000SUX

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: 6000SUX

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: 6000SUX

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: 6000SUX

Originally posted by: 3NF
If science, or something, can one day explain where we came from and why are we here ... evolution

doh

Evolution tells us why we are here?

:roll:

Yes, obviously.

Really? That's amazing, because no scientist I've ever met or read would ever agree with such a statement. At best they would simply say that there is no "why." Clearly your high school science is more powerful than their doctorates...

You have failed to understand the very basic nature of the theory of evolution, as offering a deterministic explanation for all life (as the basic principles underlying evolution can explain even how proto-cells arose out of the primordial soup). I hope your conversations with those scads of scientists didn't go right over your head, but it sounds like they may have-- or they have their "doctorates" from the Miami Upstairs Science Seminary.

I haven't misunderstood anything. You just told us that evolution tells us WHY we are here. And if we need a more precise definition of why, I have always preferred the way the Spanish say it, "por que," which means "for what reason" or "for what purpose."
Now, for what purpose does evolution tell us that we all exist?

You have misunderstood everything (in your scads of conversations with actual, real-life researchers, yet). You have repeatedly, just in the last few minutes, misunderstood the very simple language of my very own posts here. I'm going to break it down very simply: we are here because (this part here is the answer to "why") of the action of evolutionary principles. That is the reason we exist. Let's stick to English. Next time you want to ask "por que" we exist (for which I've given an answer several times now), ask a Spanish ID theorist to get the answer you crave. ROFLMAO

Being stubborn won't get you far if it's not backed up with a little extra.

thanks for your opinion each time at least I understood what your meaning was

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: 6000SUX

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: 6000SUX

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: 6000SUX

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: 6000SUX

Originally posted by: 3NF
If science, or something, can one day explain where we came from and why are we here ... evolution

doh

Evolution tells us why we are here?

:roll:

Yes, obviously.

Really? That's amazing, because no scientist I've ever met or read would ever agree with such a statement. At best they would simply say that there is no "why." Clearly your high school science is more powerful than their doctorates...

You have failed to understand the very basic nature of the theory of evolution, as offering a deterministic explanation for all life (as the basic principles underlying evolution can explain even how proto-cells arose out of the primordial soup). I hope your conversations with those scads of scientists didn't go right over your head, but it sounds like they may have-- or they have their "doctorates" from the Miami Upstairs Science Seminary.

I haven't misunderstood anything. You just told us that evolution tells us WHY we are here. And if we need a more precise definition of why, I have always preferred the way the Spanish say it, "por que," which means "for what reason" or "for what purpose."
Now, for what purpose does evolution tell us that we all exist?

You have misunderstood everything (in your scads of conversations with actual, real-life researchers, yet). You have repeatedly, just in the last few minutes, misunderstood the very simple language of my very own posts here. I'm going to break it down very simply: we are here because (this part here is the answer to "why") of the action of evolutionary principles. That is the reason we exist. Let's stick to English. Next time you want to ask "por que" we exist (for which I've given an answer several times now), ask a Spanish ID theorist to get the answer you crave. ROFLMAO

Being stubborn won't get you far if it's not backed up with a little extra.

LOL! The English definitions are the same as what I described.

Speaking of why... why don't you just admit you don't know what you're talking about? The action of evolutionary principles is just spreading one's seed. Are you arguing that that's our sole purpose in life? The only thing we're here for? That's the WHY we all seek? Spread our seed as best we can, prevent others from doing the same (this is evolution after all) and who gives a damn about the rest? Is that your argument?

 

[judasmachine]

good god guys, let it die. it doesn't matter.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: judasmachine
good god guys, let it die. it doesn't matter.

Hey, don't make me pick on you for your different-names-of-God-makes-for-many-gods-and-you-just-believe-in-one-less-god argument!


Heh. I agree though. NOTHING in life is certain. Unfortunately, not even science. There's a reason why so many people go insane. Even reality itself is tenuous, much less this we-know-everything-for-fact bullsh!t.

 

[6000SUX]

Originally posted by: Vic
LOL! The English definitions are the same as what I described.

Nope. Hence your need to go into your personal definition based on a preference for "por que" etc. You backpedalled-- you asked "why", which clearly means "for what reason, cause or purpose", then realized that it wasn't just what you wanted for presupposing the existence of an almighty supernatural creator.

Speaking of why... why don't you just admit you don't know what you're talking about?

You'd have to have made this request in some other context to have a chance. Unfortunately, you're beating yourself senseless against a solid cliff of evidence and logic. ID is sham science.

The action of evolutionary principles is just spreading one's seed.

Nope. It's also not true to say "Evolution is just a big long string of 'begat' after 'begat'". It's also not true to say "Evolution is made of blue cotton candy", "Evolution is the heart of rock and roll", or any other senseless combination of words.

Are you arguing that that's our sole purpose in life? The only thing we're here for? That's the WHY we all seek? Spread our seed as best we can, prevent others from doing the same (this is evolution after all) and who gives a damn about the rest? Is that your argument?

Evolution explains why we are here. Pure and simple. You aren't restricted to a sole purpose-- you can have many, and the world is full of happy pursuits. There's no way you can logically get to a presupposition of an almighty creator based just on a particular use of the word "purpose", though-- you are putting the cart before the horse.

 

[judasmachine]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: judasmachine
good god guys, let it die. it doesn't matter.

Hey, don't make me pick on you for your different-names-of-God-makes-for-many-gods-and-you-just-believe-in-one-less-god argument!


Heh. I agree though. NOTHING in life is certain. Unfortunately, not even science. There's a reason why so many people go insane. Even reality itself is tenuous, much less this we-know-everything-for-fact bullsh!t.

Heh, yeah I just believe in one less god, that's all. But seriously I just feel that those who believe are going to believe no matter what, and those who don't, won't.

 

[6000SUX]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: judasmachine
good god guys, let it die. it doesn't matter.

Hey, don't make me pick on you for your different-names-of-God-makes-for-many-gods-and-you-just-believe-in-one-less-god argument!


Heh. I agree though. NOTHING in life is certain. Unfortunately, not even science. There's a reason why so many people go insane. Even reality itself is tenuous, much less this we-know-everything-for-fact bullsh!t.

Reality may be tenuous for you, but it is not for me. I never claimed to know everything for fact, and neither did any true scientist. I reject out of hand your implication that the scientific community, in wholeheartedly and unequivocally endorsing evolution, somehow claims to know everything for fact.

 

[6000SUX]

Originally posted by: judasmachine

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: judasmachine
good god guys, let it die. it doesn't matter.

Hey, don't make me pick on you for your different-names-of-God-makes-for-many-gods-and-you-just-believe-in-one-less-god argument!


Heh. I agree though. NOTHING in life is certain. Unfortunately, not even science. There's a reason why so many people go insane. Even reality itself is tenuous, much less this we-know-everything-for-fact bullsh!t.

Heh, yeah I just believe in one less god, that's all. But seriously I just feel that those who believe are going to believe no matter what, and those who don't, won't.

And if that were all it was, belief, there wouldn't be a problem. The problem arises when religious people push sham science on others, or attack science, in an effort to rationalize their beliefs.

 

[6000SUX]

Originally posted by: EXman
thanks for your opinion each time at least I understood what your meaning was

I aims to please. :beer: I don't mind when people disagree with me, but come on... at least people should be honest enough to admit it when they've made a mistake.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: 6000SUX

Originally posted by: Vic
LOL! The English definitions are the same as what I described.

Nope. Hence your need to go into your personal definition based on a preference for "por que" etc. You backpedalled-- you asked "why", which clearly means "for what reason, cause or purpose", then realized that it wasn't just what you wanted for presupposing the existence of an almighty supernatural creator.

Speaking of why... why don't you just admit you don't know what you're talking about?

You'd have to have made this request in some other context to have a chance. Unfortunately, you're beating yourself senseless against a solid cliff of evidence and logic. ID is sham science.

The action of evolutionary principles is just spreading one's seed.

Nope. It's also not true to say "Evolution is just a big long string of 'begat' after 'begat'". It's also not true to say "Evolution is made of blue cotton candy", "Evolution is the heart of rock and roll", or any other senseless combination of words.

Are you arguing that that's our sole purpose in life? The only thing we're here for? That's the WHY we all seek? Spread our seed as best we can, prevent others from doing the same (this is evolution after all) and who gives a damn about the rest? Is that your argument?

Evolution explains why we are here. Pure and simple. You aren't restricted to a sole purpose-- you can have many, and the world is full of happy pursuits. There's no way you can logically get to a presupposition of an almighty creator based just on a particular use of the word "purpose", though-- you are putting the cart before the horse.

You are deeply confused and off your rocker. None of the positions you are presenting here for me are positions that I have argued for or supported. While you are looking up definitions in the dictionary, I suggest you look strawmen as well. I do not support ID, creationism, or any other such nonsense and have never said so.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: 6000SUX

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: judasmachine
good god guys, let it die. it doesn't matter.

Hey, don't make me pick on you for your different-names-of-God-makes-for-many-gods-and-you-just-believe-in-one-less-god argument!


Heh. I agree though. NOTHING in life is certain. Unfortunately, not even science. There's a reason why so many people go insane. Even reality itself is tenuous, much less this we-know-everything-for-fact bullsh!t.

Reality may be tenuous for you, but it is not for me. I never claimed to know everything for fact, and neither did any true scientist. I reject out of hand your implication that the scientific community, in wholeheartedly and unequivocally endorsing evolution, somehow claims to know everything for fact.

You're not a true scientist either. Just some internet dipsh!t who thinks science answers questions that it does not. Evolution is just evolution. Not an end-all-be-all and -- in all reality -- no more important to peoples' daily lives than is the nonsense that is creationism. When you turn it into the pseudoscience religion, as you are trying to do, it just becomes another form of control, as creationism was for the religions. Please don't turn my science into your religion. I find it offensive. Thanks.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: 6000SUX

Originally posted by: judasmachine

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: judasmachine
good god guys, let it die. it doesn't matter.

Hey, don't make me pick on you for your different-names-of-God-makes-for-many-gods-and-you-just-believe-in-one-less-god argument!


Heh. I agree though. NOTHING in life is certain. Unfortunately, not even science. There's a reason why so many people go insane. Even reality itself is tenuous, much less this we-know-everything-for-fact bullsh!t.

Heh, yeah I just believe in one less god, that's all. But seriously I just feel that those who believe are going to believe no matter what, and those who don't, won't.

And if that were all it was, belief, there wouldn't be a problem. The problem arises when religious people push sham science on others, or attack science, in an effort to rationalize their beliefs.

Really? So claiming that evolution in and of itself answers the age-old human question of "Why?" is not sham science? Kindly shut up.