Will science ever wipe out organized religion?

[Vic]

Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt
Nah, weak people who won't take responsibility for their own lives will always need to invent some great cosmic muffin in the sky. What will happen with religion isn't that it will disappear, but merely evolve. Now that science has punctured the true BS of Christianity something else will arise to take its place just as "modern" religions evolved to do away with worshipping Zeus, Apollo or Thor. The next generation of religions will just have to be more careful when crafting their backstory. The people that invented the current religions were uneducated fools who had no idea that science would come along and disprove all their myths. So the next generation will be even more nebulous about the origins of life, the ccreation of the universe or anything else that science could eventually come along and skewer.

Your hatred and bigotry belie a shocking ignorance of history (and definitely an emotional perspective as opposed to the proper detached scientific viewpoint). The people who invented our current religions were the leading philosophical and scientific minds of their respective times. In their time, they thought that what they were doing was science (just ask Aristotle and his geocentric theory that lasted until Galileo). And they were no less intelligent than we are today, they simply has less knowledge, less facts from which to derive their conclusions, and that mostly because they did not have the machinery for making observations and measurements that we do today. So naturally, many of their conclusions seem faulty (and even ridiculous) to us today. But to imply that they did this out of malice is to imply that they knew as much as we do today. That's just ridiculous. Why do you even post this crap when your emotional venom is so nasty that it's obvious you don't give a rats ass about science itself?

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: 3NF
It's fact - I don't know what the heck you're looking at.

Fact. According to who? You cite no sources.

Less and less, compared to what? The past?

And what is "organized" religion but a relatively recent development in human behavioral evolution, only a couple thousand years old?

A thing is what it is, not what we arbitrarily label it. Organized religion is an institution of unquestionable faith. If we rid the world of all the traditional religions, but turn science into a dogma, then religion will still exist.

 

[CKent]

No. The spiritual urge, often fulfilled with regligion, is a part of our genetic makeup. Without it, we'd probably never have stopped clubbing people we didn't like over the head long enough to build civilizations, so don't knock it. The preaching assholes are really a very small minority, don't let their volume cause you to judge the rest. Sometimes I even wish I believed, if only to have the security many believers do.

 

[Excelsior]

What Vic has said.

 

[BoomerD]

IMO, never, because people are just too weak to believe that "This is all there is", or that there isn't some "magical reward" waiting for us in the "afterlife".
Religion is just self-perpetuating mind-control for the masses...

 

[Parasitic]

More like religions will wipe out science, if history of prosecuting scientists with shocking conclusions and new theories is any indication.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: CKent
No. The spiritual urge, often fulfilled with regligion, is a part of our genetic makeup. Without it, we'd probably never have stopped clubbing people we didn't like over the head long enough to build civilizations, so don't knock it. The preaching assholes are really a very small minority, don't let their volume cause you to judge the rest. Sometimes I even wish I believed, if only to have the security many believers do.

Heh. Finally we agree about something in a religion thread.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Parasitic
More like religions will wipe out science, if history of prosecuting scientists with shocking conclusions and new theories is any indication.

Science does that to its own as well. I wouldn't worry about it much, the truth always prevails.

 

[homercles337]

Originally posted by: Abel007
No, the day religion is gone is the day the world will end. People simply need to have faith in SOMETHING. Without that then people will no longer have the desire to live.

I dont have faith in a god or gods. Does that mean im immoral and have no desire to live? :roll:

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: homercles337

Originally posted by: Abel007
No, the day religion is gone is the day the world will end. People simply need to have faith in SOMETHING. Without that then people will no longer have the desire to live.

I dont have faith in a god or gods. Does that mean im immoral and have no desire to live? :roll:

He said "something," not god or gods. FYI, the modern day notion of a god is not the same as the ancient concept. From the Biblical standpoint, your TV is a god that you worship, and your entertainment center a shrine.

 

[Shawn]

I sure hope so.

 

[homercles337]

Originally posted by: Brainonska511
What's wrong with science and religion co-existing? The world doesn't need your hatred of people's beliefs.

Why does no one ever address this?

Belief based philosophies of knowledge acquisition IGNORE all new knowledge that does not support their current belief.

Empirical based philosophies of knowledge acquisition EMBRACE and seek all new knowledge that does not support current knowledge.

Embracing and ignoring new knowledge are diametrically opposed. You cant do both, unless youre a hypocrite.

 

[homercles337]

Originally posted by: Kristi2k
Science only further proves my faith and belief in God. Science, humans, solar system and the eco system are so intricate designed and dependant on each other it's impossible to just evolve from something so simple to something so complex.

All of you say that science disproves God, please explain your findings.

You dope. Science doesnt disprove anything to do with god. They are not even in the same realm. The two have NOTHING to do with one another. Save for the preposterous claims of belief systems that have been shown to be false from every angle. You dont know anything about science, astronomy, or ecology do you?

 

[CKent]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: CKent
No. The spiritual urge, often fulfilled with regligion, is a part of our genetic makeup. Without it, we'd probably never have stopped clubbing people we didn't like over the head long enough to build civilizations, so don't knock it. The preaching assholes are really a very small minority, don't let their volume cause you to judge the rest. Sometimes I even wish I believed, if only to have the security many believers do.

Heh. Finally we agree about something in a religion thread.

:beer:

 

[Martin]

Originally posted by: StormRider

Originally posted by: Martin

Originally posted by: irishScott
Obviously the concept of a god can never be wiped out, but what about the more corporeal parts of some religions?

IE: Let's say we finally figure out EXACTLY how the brain works... and there is no sign of a "soul". Then what?

I actually like the example of explaining conciousness, because as far as that goes we are in the state biology was before Darwin: we see something complex that we have no explanation for, so 'god' becomes the default answer.

If someone comes up with a theory of the conciousness, and fully explains it in natural terms and even simulates it on a computer (AI), then you'll just see a repeat of evolution:
- A lot of people will cease to believe in a soul or god.
- most will try to compromise by tacking on a god. For example, evolution is fully capable of explaining the development of life without a god, but most people choose to add something vague and unfalsifiable like "god is guiding the process" to make themselves feel nice. The same thing will likely happen with any theory of conciousness.
- a significant portion will deny the whole thing, kind of like 40% of Americans think people were created by god in the last 10000 years. These people are beyond hope.

For me, I don't understand why people think evolution and the existence of God run counter to each other.

I can write a computer program to simulate a world where the "people" evolve through evolutionary principles. From the "people's" standpoint, evolution is true but I am their "God" since I created everything in their world.

The reason why so many people are scared of evolution is because as far as the development of life (from the first self-replicating molecule to the present day) god is completely redundant. Such threats to the "big guy in the sky" people (the aforementioned 40%) are taken quite seriously.

 

[CKent]

Originally posted by: Martin
Wikipedia is the devil!

:laugh::laugh::laugh:

 

[Brainonska511]

Originally posted by: homercles337

Originally posted by: Brainonska511
What's wrong with science and religion co-existing? The world doesn't need your hatred of people's beliefs.

Why does no one ever address this?

Belief based philosophies of knowledge acquisition IGNORE all new knowledge that does not support their current belief.

Belief based philosophies do not ignore new knowledge. Religion is a voluntary gathering within a civil society that is meant to deal with the salvation of the individuals' [that voluntarily joined] souls. It sounds like you have a personal vendetta against religion.

 

[homercles337]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: homercles337

Originally posted by: Abel007
No, the day religion is gone is the day the world will end. People simply need to have faith in SOMETHING. Without that then people will no longer have the desire to live.

I dont have faith in a god or gods. Does that mean im immoral and have no desire to live? :roll:

He said "something," not god or gods. FYI, the modern day notion of a god is not the same as the ancient concept. From the Biblical standpoint, your TV is a god that you worship, and your entertainment center a shrine.

He said "religion" then said "something." By logic in his post, religion is the "something" he references.

 

[homercles337]

Originally posted by: Brainonska511

Originally posted by: homercles337

Originally posted by: Brainonska511
What's wrong with science and religion co-existing? The world doesn't need your hatred of people's beliefs.

Why does no one ever address this?

Belief based philosophies of knowledge acquisition IGNORE all new knowledge that does not support their current belief.

Belief based philosophies do not ignore new knowledge. Religion is a voluntary gathering within a civil society that is meant to deal with the salvation of the individuals' [that voluntarily joined] souls. It sounds like you have a personal vendetta against religion.

Belief based philosophies of knowledge acquisition IGNORE new knowledge iff it conflicts with the currently held belief. If it supports current beliefs of course it is accepted. End of story. Read my post before you post again, please.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: homercles337

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: homercles337

Originally posted by: Abel007
No, the day religion is gone is the day the world will end. People simply need to have faith in SOMETHING. Without that then people will no longer have the desire to live.

I dont have faith in a god or gods. Does that mean im immoral and have no desire to live? :roll:

He said "something," not god or gods. FYI, the modern day notion of a god is not the same as the ancient concept. From the Biblical standpoint, your TV is a god that you worship, and your entertainment center a shrine.

He said "religion" then said "something." By logic in his post, religion is the "something" he references.

A thing is what it is, not what we arbitrarily label it.

 

[Estrella]

Originally posted by: ironwing
Religion is way too lucrative to be jettisoned.

I know!!! Income without taxation, I want in!

 

[Estrella]

Originally posted by: Abel007
No, the day religion is gone is the day the world will end. People simply need to have faith in SOMETHING. Without that then people will no longer have the desire to live.

Negative. That sounds more like a statement about yourself, not billions.

 

[Estrella]

Originally posted by: GalvanizedYankee
There will always be organized religion. Man needs to believe in something. Some believe in 'The Force' others believe in having another drink and these people will embrace shared belief to form a fellowship, call it a church if you will.
Man needs to believe and he needs to serve...Choose wisely.

Man only needs to believe in his own ability, not a supernatural force. Would you pray to get to another side of a river? No, you would swim or build a bridge over it.

The horrific accident with the baseball team plunging to injury and death had a prayer service by the college community before they set out. Looked how much belief in a deity helped them out. I guess most xians will say it was god's plan or that they were sinners, and so on and so forth.

Unless you are a suicidal emo type, the will to live and prosper is more than enough meaning for anyone.

 

[Estrella]

Originally posted by: Kristi2k
Science only further proves my faith and belief in God. Science, humans, solar system and the eco system are so intricate designed and dependant on each other it's impossible to just evolve from something so simple to something so complex.

All of you say that science disproves God, please explain your findings.

Traditional notions of theism perpetuated by various groups, known as religions. Your view is more of one similar to what I had in HS/early college. Just because there are such intricacies in the world does not prove a thing. If we stay skeptical then we will acknowledge the last sentence. If we are not skeptical the third to last sentence can be taken however you want it.

 

[Estrella]

Originally posted by: StormRider

Originally posted by: Martin

Originally posted by: irishScott
Obviously the concept of a god can never be wiped out, but what about the more corporeal parts of some religions?

IE: Let's say we finally figure out EXACTLY how the brain works... and there is no sign of a "soul". Then what?

I actually like the example of explaining conciousness, because as far as that goes we are in the state biology was before Darwin: we see something complex that we have no explanation for, so 'god' becomes the default answer.

If someone comes up with a theory of the conciousness, and fully explains it in natural terms and even simulates it on a computer (AI), then you'll just see a repeat of evolution:
- A lot of people will cease to believe in a soul or god.
- most will try to compromise by tacking on a god. For example, evolution is fully capable of explaining the development of life without a god, but most people choose to add something vague and unfalsifiable like "god is guiding the process" to make themselves feel nice. The same thing will likely happen with any theory of conciousness.
- a significant portion will deny the whole thing, kind of like 40% of Americans think people were created by god in the last 10000 years. These people are beyond hope.

For me, I don't understand why people think evolution and the existence of God run counter to each other.

I can write a computer program to simulate a world where the "people" evolve through evolutionary principles. From the "people's" standpoint, evolution is true but I am their "God" since I created everything in their world.

An example proves nothing.