Will science ever wipe out organized religion?

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Whisper

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Originally posted by: homercles337
Originally posted by: Brainonska511
Originally posted by: homercles337
Originally posted by: Brainonska511
What's wrong with science and religion co-existing? The world doesn't need your hatred of people's beliefs.

Why does no one ever address this?

Belief based philosophies of knowledge acquisition IGNORE all new knowledge that does not support their current belief.

Belief based philosophies do not ignore new knowledge. Religion is a voluntary gathering within a civil society that is meant to deal with the salvation of the individuals' [that voluntarily joined] souls. It sounds like you have a personal vendetta against religion.


Belief-based philosophies of knowledge acquisition IGNORE new knowledge iff it conflicts with the currently held belief. If it supports current beliefs of course it is accepted. End of story. Read my post before you post again, please.

Not necessarily. I'm sure there are some belief-based philosophies out there that adapt, albeit slowly, to new knowledge. Catholicism, as an example, eventually did accept that the sun doesn't orbit the earth, it just took them a couple hundred years to officially do so. Besides that, many of catholocism's followers adopted the heliocentric viewpoint long before their church did.

Besides that, as others have mentioned, organized belief systems aren't always the only ones opposed to new knowledge. Many of Darwin's critics, for example, were fellow scientists of his day. The main reason he waited so long to publish On the Origin of Species was because he hoped to release it posthumously, thereby evading backlash from the religious AND scientific communities.

Using myself as an example, I am highly religious in terms of believing in a God, but I adapt my beliefs and constantly question and assess my current understanding of them based on whatever new knowledge I acquire.
 

Estrella

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Originally posted by: Brainonska511
Originally posted by: homercles337
Originally posted by: Brainonska511
What's wrong with science and religion co-existing? The world doesn't need your hatred of people's beliefs.

Why does no one ever address this?

Belief based philosophies of knowledge acquisition IGNORE all new knowledge that does not support their current belief.

Belief based philosophies do not ignore new knowledge. Religion is a voluntary gathering within a civil society that is meant to deal with the salvation of the individuals' [that voluntarily joined] souls. It sounds like you have a personal vendetta against religion.

Why do people so desperately need to be saved? Sounds rather passive to me.
 

3NF

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Let's write down all the good things that organized religion has provided to society ... Wait, I can't think of anything. Only bad things, like war and senseless killings over stupid ideas.

Now write down all the good things that science and technology has provided to society.

I know where I'll put "faith" and energy into. When a crisis happens, putting faith and energy into a fake god isn't going to make a bit a difference.
 

Whisper

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Originally posted by: 3NF
Let's write down all the good things that organized religion has provided to society ... Wait, I can't think of anything. Only bad things, like war and senseless killings over stupid ideas.

Now write down all the good things that science and technology has provided to society.

I know where I'll put "faith" and energy into. When a crisis happens, putting faith and energy into a fake god isn't going to make a bit a difference.

Religion and its followers have produced quite a few "good things" for society, including much of the science and technology you mention.

Edit: for the record, I'm not meaning the reply to be sarcastic or disparaging, but I'm just as skeptical of those who say religion has done nothing useful for society as I am those who would say science has provided nothing of benefit to mankind.
 

Kanalua

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That really is assuming a lot. Like we could figure out exactly how the brain works...this would be a completely hypothetical academic exercise (considering we're just learning how ice melts)...

I would argue no. Too many "scientists" think science and religion are incompatible. if this were true, religion would have been gone centuries ago, maybe even millennia ago. Science adapts, religion adapts. People put just as much faith in the religion of science as others put in the religion of religion.

I find it odd that a scientist would go into a scientific method assuming the outcome. I.E. - religion bad/wrong/etc...
 

Kanalua

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Originally posted by: 3NF
Let's write down all the good things that organized religion has provided to society ... Wait, I can't think of anything. Only bad things, like war and senseless killings over stupid ideas.

Now write down all the good things that science and technology has provided to society.

I know where I'll put "faith" and energy into. When a crisis happens, putting faith and energy into a fake god isn't going to make a bit a difference.

Whoa...so all instruments of war are derived from religion? You are obviously NOT a scientist.

Nuclear weapons, explosives, high explosives, guns, bullets, barb wire, torpedoes, missiles, nerve agents, biological weapons, spears, knifes, swords, iron, steel, depleted uranium, thermo-nuclear weapons... I can go on...

Surely there is more hope for science than your example of it...
 

torpid

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Originally posted by: Kanalua
Whoa...so all instruments of war are derived from religion? You are obviously NOT a scientist.

Nuclear weapons, explosives, high explosives, guns, bullets, barb wire, torpedoes, missiles, nerve agents, biological weapons, spears, knifes, swords, iron, steel, depleted uranium, thermo-nuclear weapons... I can go on...

Surely there is more hope for science than your example of it...

Don't feed the troll with ideas like that. It might make him unstable and then he'll go atop a bell tower and start murdering people with his religious dogma. Bam... buddha speech right through the brain. Look at the blood... and the brain matter. Wow, what a powerful weapon.
 

Vic

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Originally posted by: 3NF
Let's write down all the good things that organized religion has provided to society ... Wait, I can't think of anything. Only bad things, like war and senseless killings over stupid ideas.

Now write down all the good things that science and technology has provided to society.

I know where I'll put "faith" and energy into. When a crisis happens, putting faith and energy into a fake god isn't going to make a bit a difference.

I'm sorry... what religion exactly was it that WWII, the bloodiest war in history and the one in which the most scientific/technological progress was made, was fought over?

:roll:

You're obviously a bigoted moron to post such ignorant nonsense.


And I'm looking for a scientific charity and, for some weird reason, I just can't find one...
 

Vic

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Originally posted by: Kanalua
That really is assuming a lot. Like we could figure out exactly how the brain works...this would be a completely hypothetical academic exercise (considering we're just learning how ice melts)...

I would argue no. Too many "scientists" think science and religion are incompatible. if this were true, religion would have been gone centuries ago, maybe even millennia ago. Science adapts, religion adapts. People put just as much faith in the religion of science as others put in the religion of religion.

I find it odd that a scientist would go into a scientific method assuming the outcome. I.E. - religion bad/wrong/etc...

Scientists on the internet are not scientists. They're pimple farming punks still fascinated by their high school teacher's marxist nonsense.

REAL scientists don't even consider conflict thesis, except as long debunked 19th century psychobabble.
 

3NF

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Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: 3NF
Let's write down all the good things that organized religion has provided to society ... Wait, I can't think of anything. Only bad things, like war and senseless killings over stupid ideas.

Now write down all the good things that science and technology has provided to society.

I know where I'll put "faith" and energy into. When a crisis happens, putting faith and energy into a fake god isn't going to make a bit a difference.

I'm sorry... what religion exactly was it that WWII, the bloodiest war in history and the one in which the most scientific/technological progress was made, was fought over?

:roll:

You're obviously a bigoted moron to post such ignorant nonsense.


And I'm looking for a scientific charity and, for some weird reason, I just can't find one...

You know, I don't think I ever yelled out and called anyone some sort of names on these forums. I'm just speaking my mind.

So why do you do it? Because you're blinded by your worthless religion.

 

Vic

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Originally posted by: 3NF
Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: 3NF
Let's write down all the good things that organized religion has provided to society ... Wait, I can't think of anything. Only bad things, like war and senseless killings over stupid ideas.

Now write down all the good things that science and technology has provided to society.

I know where I'll put "faith" and energy into. When a crisis happens, putting faith and energy into a fake god isn't going to make a bit a difference.

I'm sorry... what religion exactly was it that WWII, the bloodiest war in history and the one in which the most scientific/technological progress was made, was fought over?

:roll:

You're obviously a bigoted moron to post such ignorant nonsense.


And I'm looking for a scientific charity and, for some weird reason, I just can't find one...

You know, I don't think I ever yelled out and called anyone some sort of names on these forums. I'm just speaking my mind.

So why do you do it? Because you're blinded by your worthless religion.

I didn't insult you or call you names. Your mind is full of so many obvious and glaring factual inaccuracies that the only logical conclusion for how you can both (1) reconcile them with yourself, and (2) speak them openly is that you are a bigoted moron.

And I'm not religious, so what am I blinded by?

Now... what religion was WWII fought over again? What religion was it that caused Stalin, Mao, and Hitler to murder tens of millions? And (for your religion has provided no good things to society nonsense) what religion does NOT both endorse and support charity?

These things are obvious and factual, not opinions. I suggest you start believing what you see, instead of seeing what you believe, otherwise you're just yet another of the worst of the blind faithful.
 

3NF

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Will science ever wipe out organized religion?

Yea, I believe it will.
 

Vic

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Originally posted by: Excelsior
You're almost certainly wasting your time with this dude, Vic.
Well, you know, it's only obvious that I'm blinded by my worthless religion with H. L. Mencken in my sig.
 

blackllotus

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Why blame a religious system for the acts of an individual? Hitler would probably have done what he did regardless of whether he was raised Christian, Muslim, atheist, ... (although probably not as a Jew in his case). Anybody can twist religion to fit their own desires. Does the Bible advocate genocide? No, therefore Christianity did not cause the genocide in Germany. Does atheism advocate anything? No, therefore atheism did not cause the murder of millions of people in Russia.
 

3NF

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Originally posted by: Dic

I didn't insult you or call you names. Your mind is full of so many obvious and glaring factual inaccuracies that the only logical conclusion for how you can both (1) reconcile them with yourself, and (2) speak them openly is that you are a bigoted moron.

And I'm not religious, so what am I blinded by?

Now... what religion was WWII fought over again? What religion was it that caused Stalin, Mao, and Hitler to murder tens of millions? And (for your religion has provided no good things to society nonsense) what religion does NOT both endorse and support charity?

These things are obvious and factual, not opinions. I suggest you start believing what you see, instead of seeing what you believe, otherwise you're just yet another of the worst of the blind faithful.

I didn't say all wars were because of religion. I think BUSH said this before invading IRAQ.

Behind all of life and all of history, there's a dedication and purpose, set by the hand of a just and faithful God
President Bush

That's just great ...

 

Vic

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Originally posted by: 3NF
Originally posted by: Dic

I didn't insult you or call you names. Your mind is full of so many obvious and glaring factual inaccuracies that the only logical conclusion for how you can both (1) reconcile them with yourself, and (2) speak them openly is that you are a bigoted moron.

And I'm not religious, so what am I blinded by?

Now... what religion was WWII fought over again? What religion was it that caused Stalin, Mao, and Hitler to murder tens of millions? And (for your religion has provided no good things to society nonsense) what religion does NOT both endorse and support charity?

These things are obvious and factual, not opinions. I suggest you start believing what you see, instead of seeing what you believe, otherwise you're just yet another of the worst of the blind faithful.

I didn't say all wars were because of religion. I think BUSH said this before invading IRAQ.

Behind all of life and all of history, there's a dedication and purpose, set by the hand of a just and faithful God
President Bush

That's just great ...

WTF has Bush got do with this? Take that propagandistic nonsense to P&N where it belongs.

And what you actually did say is quoted in this thread, so don't pretend you said something else. This isn't a verbal discussion.
 

3NF

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Originally posted by: Dic
Originally posted by: 3NF
Originally posted by: Dic

I didn't insult you or call you names. Your mind is full of so many obvious and glaring factual inaccuracies that the only logical conclusion for how you can both (1) reconcile them with yourself, and (2) speak them openly is that you are a bigoted moron.

And I'm not religious, so what am I blinded by?

Now... what religion was WWII fought over again? What religion was it that caused Stalin, Mao, and Hitler to murder tens of millions? And (for your religion has provided no good things to society nonsense) what religion does NOT both endorse and support charity?

These things are obvious and factual, not opinions. I suggest you start believing what you see, instead of seeing what you believe, otherwise you're just yet another of the worst of the blind faithful.

I didn't say all wars were because of religion. I think BUSH said this before invading IRAQ.

Behind all of life and all of history, there's a dedication and purpose, set by the hand of a just and faithful God
President Bush

That's just great ...

WTF has Bush got do with this? Take that propagandistic nonsense to P&N where it belongs.

And what you actually did say is quoted in this thread, so don't pretend you said something else. This isn't a verbal discussion.

I thought I said this,

Let's write down all the good things that organized religion has provided to society ... Wait, I can't think of anything. Only bad things, like war and senseless killings over stupid ideas.

What does that have to with WWII? It doesn't say that all wars were because of religion, but I believe many of them were due to religious differences.

 

Whisper

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Originally posted by: 3NF
Originally posted by: Dic
Originally posted by: 3NF
Originally posted by: Dic

I didn't insult you or call you names. Your mind is full of so many obvious and glaring factual inaccuracies that the only logical conclusion for how you can both (1) reconcile them with yourself, and (2) speak them openly is that you are a bigoted moron.

And I'm not religious, so what am I blinded by?

Now... what religion was WWII fought over again? What religion was it that caused Stalin, Mao, and Hitler to murder tens of millions? And (for your religion has provided no good things to society nonsense) what religion does NOT both endorse and support charity?

These things are obvious and factual, not opinions. I suggest you start believing what you see, instead of seeing what you believe, otherwise you're just yet another of the worst of the blind faithful.

I didn't say all wars were because of religion. I think BUSH said this before invading IRAQ.

Behind all of life and all of history, there's a dedication and purpose, set by the hand of a just and faithful God
President Bush

That's just great ...

WTF has Bush got do with this? Take that propagandistic nonsense to P&N where it belongs.

And what you actually did say is quoted in this thread, so don't pretend you said something else. This isn't a verbal discussion.

I thought I said this,

Let's write down all the good things that organized religion has provided to society ... Wait, I can't think of anything. Only bad things, like war and senseless killings over stupid ideas.

What does that have to with WWII? It doesn't say that all wars were because of religion, but I believe many of them were due to religious differences.

True, but you did infer that religion has provided nothing of benefit to society. Vic has addressed and countered your point, giving concrete examples of meritorious products of religion. Additionally, as I mentioned before, countless individuals associated with, or followers of, various religions have contributed greatly to the betterment of mankind...often via the science and technology you mentioned earlier.
 
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