Will someone please explain to me why The Godfather is considered to be so good?

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HAL9000

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i tried to watch the godfather for the first time about a year ago. i sat through it, but was extremely bored the entire time. i didn't even bother trying to watch part 2 because part 1 was just boring as shit.

I loved goodfellas and the sopranos. Tried to watch the godfather and found it so boring I had to turn it off. Maybe I'll give it another try sometime.

I found the first Godfather boring and the second I literally could not finish. Too fvcking boring, most overrated ever.

Oh jesus, I weep for the fate of film fans.
 
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Joseph F

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Dude, that's Scarface.

and yeah, Scarface is a shitty movie.

not the Godfather.

I respectfully disagree. That being said, The Godfather and Scarface shouldn't be mentioned in the same sentence.
 
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WaTaGuMp

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With all the bullshit remakes Hollywood is spitting out, The Godfather might be next on the list.
 

Farang

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People expecting the ultimate gangster movie are generally disappointed in the Godfather. It is long and slow moving at times.

It is a great movie (one of the best ever IMO) because it is about the degradation of values in America. The whole series is about the family doing worse and worse things to stay competitive and powerful. Don Corleone initially refused to compromise his values, through the stupidity of his overambitious son he is shot. The bright young Michael takes over and is adept at growing the family, but his calculations are so precise they eventually lead him to order the murder of his own brother.
 

HAL9000

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People expecting the ultimate gangster movie are generally disappointed in the Godfather. It is long and slow moving at times.

It is a great movie (one of the best ever IMO) because it is about the degradation of values in America. The whole series is about the family doing worse and worse things to stay competitive and powerful. Don Corleone initially refused to compromise his values, through the stupidity of his overambitious son he is shot. The bright young Michael takes over and is adept at growing the family, but his calculations are so precise they eventually lead him to order the murder of his own brother.

You see this is the great thing about the film, for you it shows the degradation of society, for me it's a character piece focusing on Michael.
 

Farang

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You see this is the great thing about the film, for you it shows the degradation of society, for me it's a character piece focusing on Michael.

I was actually about to edit and add that what makes it a great piece of filmmaking is the strength of the characters, and the interactions of each characters motivations. The whole series is a chess match, with Michael as the focus. You can try to predict each character's moves based on their motivations, i.e. Vito slaps Sonny during the meeting to not speak out of turn. Why is he so harsh? Because he knows he'll be knocked off if it is know the second-in-line supports investing in narcotics.
 

HAL9000

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I was actually about to edit and add that what makes it a great piece of filmmaking is the strength of the characters, and the interactions of each characters motivations. The whole series is a chess match, with Michael as the focus. You can try to predict each character's moves based on their motivations, i.e. Vito slaps Sonny during the meeting to not speak out of turn. Why is he so harsh? Because he knows he'll be knocked off if it is know the second-in-line supports investing in narcotics.

Exactly and while the character isn't predictable everything he does you can see the thinking and motivations behind its by far one of the best developments of a character in all of cinema
 

Farang

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Exactly and while the character isn't predictable everything he does you can see the thinking and motivations behind its by far one of the best developments of a character in all of cinema

Just to add a bit more. . I think the reason the sequel is considered just as good if not better is because you see the stark contrast between Vito and Michael. I talk about values and character development, etc. and I think it is summed up at the end of 2. Would Vito have ordered Fredo dead? What would Vito think of Michael ordering Fredo dead? What have our values become since the initial wedding scene?
 

HAL9000

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Just to add a bit more. . I think the reason the sequel is considered just as good if not better is because you see the stark contrast between Vito and Michael. I talk about values and character development, etc. and I think it is summed up at the end of 2. Would Vito have ordered Fredo dead? What would Vito think of Michael ordering Fredo dead? What have our values become since the initial wedding scene?

Yes thank you. I actually prefer the second one, because the development of Vito, combined with your preconceptions of him based on the first one make for an exceptionally look into a character.
 

abaez

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It introduced and will continue to introduce the wonders of cannoli for generations to come.
 

GrumpyMan

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I tried to stop reading this, but they keep pulling me back in!!!!
 
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oogabooga

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It took me watching it more than once to appreciate it. It took me til mid 2000s to watch it for the first time.

I thought it was okay to pretty good the first time I watched it. I appreciate it was the first to do a lot of things, but I also was sorta, meh on it.

On a 2nd viewing though I realized I just didn't get what was happening the first time around and realized it really is a damn good film. Well crafted with a good story, excellent cast, and an amazing score. You really can get lost in their world.
 

zinfamous

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You stated your opinion... nothing more.

Real-life influences:

Large parts of the novel are based upon reality, notably the history of the so-called 'Five Families', the Mafia-organization in New York and the surrounding area. The novel also includes many allusions to real-life mobsters and their associates, and Johnny Fontane is based on Frank Sinatra, Moe Greene on Bugsy Siegel, for example.

eh?

It's no mystery that Puzo's work is complete fantasy. The fact that certain characters in the movies are based on real-life people means nothing.

If you listen to the real Joe Pistone (Donnie Brasco), and Henry Hill (Goodfellas)--real people whose real lives involve organized crime. you'd know the Godfather is fantasy. It wasn't intended to be anything more. It's true, though, that they brought some sense of romanticism to the life and many wise guys tended to love the movies, but don't fool yourself into thinking that it changed the lifestyle.

They were and always will be petty thugs, often penniless as they constantly have to pay up to their Capo. Goodfellas and Sopranos do it right by explaining the cycle of poverty that breeds ruthlessness for everyone but the Capos. If you watch the Sopranos--Tony is the only one that ever has anything. Constant take, take, take, take, all of his guys living in shit hole apartments and constantly owing.

Estates and empires like the Corleones is pure myth.
 
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