Will the US collapse and break up?

Napalm

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Sort of laughed when I first saw this article. However, the more I think about it, the more I see this as a very real possibility. The US is bogged down in mountains of Chinese financed debt following, fighting two wars it really could not afford, suffering an economic downturn that could easily turn into the Next Great Depression and appears content to keep spinning its wheels on the domestic front fighting the "Culture Wars" of Right vs. Left. I'm just sayin' - all the ingredients are there...

Igor Panarin: U.S. Will Collapse By Next Year

MOSCOW ? If you're inclined to believe Igor Panarin, and the Kremlin wouldn't mind if you did, then President Barack Obama will order martial law this year, the U.S. will split into six rump-states before 2011, and Russia and China will become the backbones of a new world order. Panarin might be easy to ignore but for the fact that he is a dean at the Foreign Ministry's school for future diplomats and a regular on Russia's state-guided TV channels. And his predictions fit into the anti-American story line of the Kremlin leadership. "There is a high probability that the collapse of the United States will occur by 2010," Panarin told dozens of students, professors and diplomats Tuesday at the Diplomatic Academy _ a lecture the ministry pointedly invited The Associated Press and other foreign media to attend. The prediction from Panarin, a former spokesman for Russia's Federal Space Agency and reportedly an ex-KGB analyst, meshes with the negative view of the U.S. that has been flowing from the Kremlin in recent years, in particular from Vladimir Putin. Putin, the former president who is now prime minister, has likened the United States to Nazi Germany's Third Reich and blames Washington for the global financial crisis that has pounded the Russian economy. Panarin didn't give many specifics on what underlies his analysis, mostly citing newspapers, magazines and other open sources. He also noted he had been predicting the demise of the world's wealthiest country for more than a decade now. But he said the recent economic turmoil in the U.S. and other "social and cultural phenomena" led him to nail down a specific timeframe for "The End" _ when the United States will break up into six autonomous regions and Alaska will revert to Russian control. Story continues below Panarin argued that Americans are in moral decline, saying their great psychological stress is evident from school shootings, the size of the prison population and the number of gay men. Turning to economic woes, he cited the slide in major stock indexes, the decline in U.S. gross domestic product and Washington's bailout of banking giant Citigroup as evidence that American dominance of global markets has collapsed. "I was there recently and things are far from good," he said. "What's happened is the collapse of the American dream." Panarin insisted he didn't wish for a U.S. collapse, but he predicted Russia and China would emerge from the economic turmoil stronger and said the two nations should work together, even to create a new currency to replace the U.S. dollar. Asked for comment on how the Foreign Ministry views Panarin's theories, a spokesman said all questions had to be submitted in writing and no answers were likely before Wednesday. It wasn't clear how persuasive the 20-minute lecture was. One instructor asked Panarin whether his predictions more accurately describe Russia, which is undergoing its worst economic crisis in a decade as well as a demographic collapse that has led some scholars to predict the country's demise. Panarin dismissed that idea: "The collapse of Russia will not occur." But Alexei Malashenko, a scholar-in-residence at the Carnegie Moscow Center who did not attend the lecture, sided with the skeptical instructor, saying Russia is the country that is on the verge of disintegration. "I can't imagine at all how the United States could ever fall apart," Malashenko told the AP.
 

LegendKiller

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This is a repost. The guy is a moron. The 6-state idea is stupid as it doesn't even make any sense demographically speaking.

Russia will fall faster than the US, especially since Eastern Europe is ganked.
 

0marTheZealot

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Maybe, maybe not. If it does happen, the reasons will be plainly obvious to those commenting 50 years from now.

I doubt it though, the US is pretty well held together, unlike the Soviet Bloc during the Cold War.
 

StageLeft

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Originally posted by: LegendKiller
This is a repost. The guy is a moron. The 6-state idea is stupid as it doesn't even make any sense demographically speaking.

Russia will fall faster than the US, especially since Eastern Europe is ganked.
Agreed, this author is just trying to ignore reality, which we all like to do, but when one lives in Russia it's especially desirable.

 

RichardE

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Russia is pissed off because they tried to play the American Capitalist game but did it in a childish bully way and are now being hurt much more than the US.

The difference is the US has *actual* power whereas Russia has power through its resources (natural gas)


Russia also championed how the world would follow Stalin type communism during the cold war since it was obviously the better way. Russian intellectuals are too blinded by a shallow ideologies to truly think about the way things work on a grand world scope and not just through the prism of Russian politics and ideals. (Which are only central to Russia).

So no, it won't happen.
 

shocksyde

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All the ingredients were there during the Great Depression, yet it didn't happen. I say we look to the analog in this situation and not the opinion of some Russian crackpot. Yes?
 
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As much as I spew doom and gloom.. Russia would /killself LONG before the US would.
 

JACKDRUID

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Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
No.

sincerely hope you are right.

I don't mind not being the backbone of world order, but breaking up would definately suck.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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Originally posted by: Napalm
Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
Originally posted by: Napalm
Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
No.

Awesome. I feel better now.

Brevity is the soul of wit.

and wit is the salt of conversation - not the food.

More than likely this thread will have many words. When the table is full, it's not more that's needed. It's the seasoning.
 

Triumph

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Has anyone heard anybody saying things like, "This whole recession is due to the Northeasterners!" or "If it weren't for California, we wouldn't be in this mess!" Anyone? Bueller? No, of course not. The whole notion of us separating geographically is ridiculous.
 

CrackRabbit

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Yes, and Texas will take over everything. All hail our new Texan overlords.



Seriously though, the guy realized he could get international media attention by spewing pure bullshit and will continue to do it until people don't pay attention anymore.
 

Ozoned

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Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
Originally posted by: Napalm
Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
Originally posted by: Napalm
Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
No.

Awesome. I feel better now.

Brevity is the soul of wit.

and wit is the salt of conversation - not the food.

More than likely this thread will have many words. When the table is full, it's not more that's needed. It's the seasoning.

Many times the bland things are more palitable without the seasoning. No was perfect, in this case.
 

StageLeft

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Originally posted by: Ozoned
Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
Originally posted by: Napalm
Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
Originally posted by: Napalm
Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
No.

Awesome. I feel better now.

Brevity is the soul of wit.

and wit is the salt of conversation - not the food.

More than likely this thread will have many words. When the table is full, it's not more that's needed. It's the seasoning.

Many times the bland things are more palitable without the seasoning. No was perfect, in this case.
Denial is the salad dressing on a terrible mix of vegetables, my grandfather always used to say.

 
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