Will W10 run better on SSD than W7 ?

compguy786

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Hey guys,

Im a little rusty on my hardware stuff as of late. I just finally got into the SSD game with a OCZ Trion 240GB SSD. I imaged my W7 install from my 1TB Samsung HDD. The question is, Will W10 run faster than W7 on a SSD ? Due to it being a newer OS with better support for newer drives/devices ?

Dumb question i know..but i need the help !
Thanks !
 

VirtualLarry

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I'm not aware of any performance optimizations in Win10 for SSDs, that Win7 doesn't have. Win7 is basically SSD-ready out of the box, as is Win10.
 

Elixer

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Win 10 does have 'Fast Startup' that win 7 don't, so, it can boot faster.
 

compguy786

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Any other optimizations in drivers etc that may help ? So far its been pretty fast...but you never know right ?
 

VirtualLarry

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Any other optimizations in drivers etc that may help ? So far its been pretty fast...but you never know right ?

Well, there is the WDDM2.0 video drivers in Win10, to enable DX12 support for gaming. But other than that, I'm not aware of any changes to the driver model in Win10. AFAIK, you can still even use Win7 drivers in Win10 if you had to.
 

mikeymikec

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Has anyone actually noticed a difference between having fast startup disabled or enabled with an SSD? I haven't.
 

BSim500

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Windows 10 supports TRIM on PCI-E (non SATA) based SSD's. Beyond that, there's no real practical difference.
 

Deders

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My housemate noticed an increase in snappyness after a win10 upgrade from 7, with a Samsung 830 SSD.

How much of this is down to win7 having been running for 6 months and the initial snappiness you get from a fresh OS install anyway, I can't say.
 

nerp

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Has anyone actually noticed a difference between having fast startup disabled or enabled with an SSD? I haven't.

Not a huge difference but a noticeable difference on my box. Few seconds. Especially from a cold boot.
 

Magic Carpet

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Has anyone actually noticed a difference between having fast startup disabled or enabled with an SSD? I haven't.
Depends on your computer. EFI W10 installations boot significantly faster w/ that flag versus MBR W10. Like maybe 3 seconds versus 10 or so (~450 mb/s SSD), when properly supported and enabled by your hardware components.

On the other hand, Fast Boot originally found in Windows 8.0 introduced a significant delay when you shut down your computer, especially when you have gobs of ram, like I do (32+). (As far as I am aware, it works exactly the same in W10). Fast Boot also prevents updates from being installed and new hardware configured properly, so a manual or scheduled reboot would still be a must (that's exactly why Microsoft introduced a plethora of wake me up triggers for the updates to be installed alongside that feature during awkward time of the day/night = few people are aware of this actually).

I keep it off, and use S3 (improved sleep), which is even faster but waaaaaay more robust for my usage. It's a great feature for the slow booting 5400 RPMs laptops though (also, not draining your battery), but then again, one might use hybrid sleep, which is on by default (a mix of S3 & S4), on a desktop, I prefer S3 & S5 (classic shutdown) though, manually disabling hybrid sleep, so my system goes to sleep almost instantaneously or shuts down when I need to install some new hardware and/or updates. Currently using a mechanical HDD on my main/working rig (for testing purposes), absolutely, no complaints. W10 loves RAM and makes good use of it (currently cached ~26gb).

Will W10 run faster than W7 on a SSD ?
Definitely yes, by how much? I don't know. You can time and see for yourself w/ a stopwatch. But make sure your video card / network card is supported by W10 before you upgrade. Experience can be negative if the drivers aren't properly* supported by the latest Microsoft OS. Backup is essential as well. Do it properly. I would use a spare hdd/ssd for this type of experiment. I've had mixed results with the older systems and W10. Also, to enjoy W10 properly, plan to get a modern video card (assuming this is a desktop pc) w/ WDDM 2.0 drivers support. It makes a difference even if you aren't playing games, but this isn't a must, just my humble recommendation.

*I've had one AMD HD 4200 blue screening twice a week because of some AMD driver.sys (properly debugged memory dumps). No wonder, AMD doesn't list these cards as officially supported. Dropped in some Kepler card (GK107). Issues gone. Desktop experience feels faster as well. Having said that, I have yet to encounter a single problem w/ any Intel IGP/iGPU I have here. Even ancient WDDM 1.0 certified only GMA 950 working reliably well (not a single halt/bsod yet). They have definitely improved over the years (W10 driver, albeit dated ~2012 provided by Intel by default upon installation). Kudos to Intel.
 
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Leyawiin

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I don't sit with a stop watch while booting and I can't tell much difference at all in Windows 7 and Windows 10 (which I've now upgraded four computers to). All are on SSDs and performance is more or less the same.
 

Oyeve

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I can attest that win10 boots faster than win7. I have several SSDs in my system and have benched everything. On win7 boot up from power button push to login and working, was 23 seconds. Under win10 it's 14 seconds using the exact same HW. So, yeah, its a bit faster.
 

Leyawiin

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I can attest that win10 boots faster than win7. I have several SSDs in my system and have benched everything. On win7 boot up from power button push to login and working, was 23 seconds. Under win10 it's 14 seconds using the exact same HW. So, yeah, its a bit faster.

9 seconds isn't noticeable if you're not pedantic. I will say that I recently upgraded my sister's PC to 10 and it has a Phenom II X4 955 and an AM3 board. The desktop does seem a little "snappier" for lack of a better word on that old platform. On my new Intel systems I can't tell a difference though.
 

Magic Carpet

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9 seconds isn't noticeable.

You don't care for speed. That is fine. To each their own.

My personal record with XP SP3 was 15.65 seconds to usable desktop on a slow 5400 Hitachi mobile drive (Athlon X2 235e, 2gb RAM). Of course, I made tweaks to the system and used Bootvis to measure things. Reduced that time to 9 seconds with a 4gb ddr400 ram disk later on. XP was very, very customizable indeed.

I like to race computers just like to race cars..... Vroooom-vroooom

PS. The time measured didn't include the POST time, add another 3-5 seconds on top. And to think, that today I can get into Windows in ~3 seconds (w/ tweaks) from the moment I press the power button. That is progress, my friends. Certainly beats my ageing iPhone 5S
 
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BSim500

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You don't care for speed. That is fine. To each their own.
Comparing across systems with different hardware is pointless though. "Oyeve's" Win 7 boots in 23s and his Win 10 in 14s, yet my Win 7 boots in 14.5s (on an old Ivy Bridge). The BIOS, brand of motherboard, RAID vs AHCI mode, multi-boot delay timer, any components disabled in BIOS, boot drive priority (did you leave a music CD in the drive when set to ODD first), Windows services enabled (that Win 10 comes with more disabled by default doesn't mean you can't tweak the same services on Win 7, eg disabling Homegroup if you set up a network the "ordinary" way). All this stuff counts far more than OS version alone. And if turn on speed is critical, many just suspend it at which point the argument shifts to who has to wait the longest for their monitor to turn on...
 

RU482

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boot times seem equal or shorter using Win10, but shut down times are much much longer on the 4-5 systems I've used
 

Magic Carpet

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Comparing across systems with different hardware is pointless though.
That wasn't the point, though. It's a fact, Windows 10 x64 v1511 is fastest/most efficient, on the same hardware. The way it was designed, with zero tweaks applied. OOTBE. Simple as.

XP SP3 > Vista SP2 > 7 SP1 (Vista SP2 RTM) > 8 > 8.1 (8 SP1) > 10 (8 SP2). No surprises, lol.

Or the Microsoft way:

5.1 > 6.0 > 6.1 > 6.2 > 6.3 > 10. Yeah, they got carried with the tenner, most definitely

NB. The numbers I put down just for reference purposes.

boot times seem equal or shorter using Win10, but shut down times are much much longer on the 4-5 systems I've used
Disable Fast Boot or use sleep.
 
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jhansman

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I can say that my BIOS info is on the screen longer than it takes my Win10 desktop to appear with my 850 EVO. Win7 was never that fast on my rig, even after a fresh install. Hope things stay this way.
 

Magic Carpet

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I can say that my BIOS info is on the screen longer than it takes my Win10 desktop to appear with my 850 EVO.
Some boards post longer than others. It's hard to find the faster ones, if you haven't tried a bunch. Usually, the simpler boards (EFI certified) POST the fastest. X58/X79/X99 take the longest (that's a big con of that platform). That's why I hate 3rd-party add-on controllers and expansion cards.

Keep it simple.
 
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DigDog

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do consider however that W7 is far less intrusive than W10, and there is no obvious loss of performance.
 

compguy786

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Interesting points from all. Mine goes from power to login screen maybe in less than 12-13. Its not neccesarily the boot times im looking at, but overall snapiness in application usage and what not. I only say this because W10 has the latest device and driver support, while W7 probably does, its now more than 6+ years old
 

bononos

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do consider however that W7 is far less intrusive than W10, and there is no obvious loss of performance.

I don't think thats the case since Win7 has many customer experience/telemetry aka data collection updates without ability to tune them down via privacy menu options as users can do in Win10. Unless the user is constantly tracking which updates to avoid.
 

Magic Carpet

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Its not necessarily the boot times im looking at, but overall snappiness in application usage and what not.
I think, you should try out W10 and see for yourself. Personally, I can't stand poor memory/pagefile management of Windows 7 SP1 anymore (still running one box for testing purposes), compared with the latest build of 10 x64.

The only practical downside of W10, is automatic updates/upgrades*. I've seen instances of installing wrong drivers*2, for example.

* During upgrades you may lose Windows settings/tweaks and software that Windows considers unsafe. You can postpone that in the Pro/Enterprise version though. Still, could be a time bomb of some sort. You can disable updates via a registry tweak and use a third-party updating system instead, which is a hassle though.
*2 WU offered me to install Geforce 8600GT drivers for my Intel-enabled desktop. Still scratching my butt as to how that did happen, lmao (I never actually had that card installed in this system).

But speaking of pure performance, W10 x64 easily 0wnz anything Microsoft has engineered before.
 
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blankslate

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sure 9 9 seconds faster is 9 seconds faster


I'd take any SSD sub 25 second boot time over any > 1 minute boot time from an HDD any day though.


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