Discussion Will you be storming Area 51?

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[DHT]Osiris

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Really, what are the odds that anything of real interest is at Area 51? Even if there was something there at one time the Military would have to be staffed by nothing but morons to still have it there. The last place you want to store all your secrets is the one play everyone thinks the secrets are stored. Odds are if there was ever anything interesting at Area 51 it was moved to some non-descript warehouse in some out of the way place in South Dakota or Montana in the mid 70's.
Basically zero. A 'secret' location used to test new technology isn't going to continue doing that once it's a known thing. More than likely there's been no real testing at that facility since the whole Roswell thing. I'm betting it's a boring storage/fuel dump at this point. Maybe some communications stuff to keep people employed.
 

soundforbjt

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Basically zero. A 'secret' location used to test new technology isn't going to continue doing that once it's a known thing. More than likely there's been no real testing at that facility since the whole Roswell thing. I'm betting it's a boring storage/fuel dump at this point. Maybe some communications stuff to keep people employed.
Wasn't Area 51 where they were testing the Stealth F-117 NighthawK?
 

Red Squirrel

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My guess is that they don't really have much going on there anymore but probably still have important stuff, or remnants of important/secret stuff so they still protect it. Maybe some underground secret offices and server rooms and stuff of that nature but they probably don't really do much aircraft testing anymore. Like they might, but my guess is it's fairly routine stuff that's not really super top secret, but they still don't want to do it near people. Probably more "confidential" rather than top secret. Ex: if a jet they are testing fails they don't want people or the media to know.

There might also be warehouses of top secret stuff, maybe WW1/WW2 related stuff. Like that big nazi bell they tried to test many years ago, it might be in there. Overall I would guess most of the stuff is not THAT interesting but still interesting enough that they don't want people to see it.

It would also be a pretty good spot for any radio related stuff like antenna arrays, it's probably rather RF quiet there.

Anything that is crazy like 100 years ahead type of tech is probably in some completely other undisclosed location.
 

IronWing

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Area 51 is immediately down wind of the Nevada Test Site. Enjoy the radionuclides.
 

[DHT]Osiris

Lifer
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Wasn't Area 51 where they were testing the Stealth F-117 NighthawK?
Not sure, wikipedia says the maiden flight was performed there but clearly that was in the public eye, if there's information on wikipedia about it. By that point we may have been past most of the 'build then test' phase of aircraft development, favoring computerized or math-based design principals with an eventual prototype which is virtually identical to final design. That's much different from the mil testing future-tech in a way that they don't want people to know about it, which is what A51 was originally used for (from my understanding). Usually with the govt if something secretive gets too bright of a light shone on it, they repurpose it in some way, which in my head is an example of this (exposition of new technology rather than secretive testing). I could be completely off-base here though.

It's still a really, really bad idea to attempt to access a military base without authorization. It's a great way to get shot in the head.
 

Jhhnn

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There's no sneaking in or rushing 51, too many eyes in the sky and too many ears in the ground.

I hope this is just an out of control meme. Headstrong curiosity doesn't beat area denial units, high voltage or live ammunition in quantity. People will get hurt, maybe killed. Those signs aren't for show. DoE guys are allowed to kill people there.

As Foghorn Leghorn would say- It's a joke, son! You're supposed to laugh!

OTOH, as I see it, the real threat to national security would come from a night assault by a swarm of paragliders with sound systems blaring the Ride of the Valkyries for total confusion & demoralization of the defenders.
 

kage69

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As Foghorn Leghorn would say- It's a joke, son! You're supposed to laugh!

OTOH, as I see it, the real threat to national security would come from a night assault by a swarm of paragliders with sound systems blaring the Ride of the Valkyries for total confusion & demoralization of the defenders.

meme=joke

I laughed alright, just the half-hearted variety with head shaking. The kind produced watching ranks of flat earthers and antivaxers surge. It's not a stretch to think the UFO conspiracy nuts believe there is safety in numbers for them there, or that their yearning for 'the truth' somehow precludes them from getting shot.

Multitudes of paragliders, all blaring Wagner at 160dB? I like that better than the scenario a friend was hoping for: swarms of naked people wearing only tin foil hats surging into the area, just screaming and flinging bags of flour at the guards, 'Flour bomb!' Flour bomb!'
 

Jhhnn

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meme=joke

I laughed alright, just the half-hearted variety with head shaking. The kind produced watching ranks of flat earthers and antivaxers surge. It's not a stretch to think the UFO conspiracy nuts believe there is safety in numbers for them there, or that their yearning for 'the truth' somehow precludes them from getting shot.

Multitudes of paragliders, all blaring Wagner at 160dB? I like that better than the scenario a friend was hoping for: swarms of naked people wearing only tin foil hats surging into the area, just screaming and flinging bags of flour at the guards, 'Flour bomb!' Flour bomb!'

I figure on a demonstration of exquisite weirdness at the Gate with maybe a few whacked out loons managing to get themselves arrested. It's one way to obtain a little niche of Fame.
 
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So what exactly is the joke here? I mean, I get that its some elaborate meme/joke about aliens at Area 51 and rescuing them, but where did this particular take originate from and why? It seems...interesting that there's a crisis where the US government is putting people in concentration camps (where conservatives claim they deserve to go because they're illegal aliens, also "Don't call them concentration camps because waaaaah its unfair to compare us to Nazis!!! We're the real persecuted people!!!"). Is it making fun of that situation? Is it trying to marginalize that situation? Is it trying to bring attention to that situation? Is it trying to poke fun at UFO alien true believers?

I guess my point being, I feel like this reeks of the typical Russian and white supremacist methods.
 
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[DHT]Osiris

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So what exactly is the joke here? I mean, I get that its some elaborate meme/joke about aliens at Area 51 and rescuing them, but where did this particular take originate from and why? It seems...interesting that there's a crisis where the US government is putting people in concentration camps (where conservatives claim they deserve to go because they're illegal aliens, also "Don't call them concentration camps because waaaaah its unfair to compare us to Nazis!!! We're the real persecuted people!!!"). Is it making fun of that situation? Is it trying to marginalize that situation? Is it trying to bring attention to that situation? Is it trying to poke fun at UFO alien true believers?

I guess my point being, I feel like this reeks of the typical Russian and white supremacist methods.
Stand Alone Complex, the Facebook group probably manifested itself out of errant 1's and 0's in the cloud, and has attracted a following. If the assault is even reasonably successful, expect FB to announce that it has become self-aware and has declared war on humanity.
Chest, they always aim for the center. Much bigger target.
Anyone who thinks they can charge a US mil checkpoint has a big enough head to use it as the primary target.
 

HomerJS

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As Foghorn Leghorn would say- It's a joke, son! You're supposed to laugh!

OTOH, as I see it, the real threat to national security would come from a night assault by a swarm of paragliders with sound systems blaring the Ride of the Valkyries for total confusion & demoralization of the defenders.
I made a funny and you ain't-a-laughin'. I keep pitchin' em and ya'll keep missin' em
 

SMOGZINN

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Dear Lord, I never pray but please let these fools actually try this, amen.

I just want to take this seriously for one second to say, please god don't. I don't actually know what would happen if a large number of people, say 10,000+, actually did try to storm a highly secure military base, but I know it would be ugly on a scale we have not seen in several generations. It is the sort of thing that could easily end up in wide spread civil unrest. If they should actually do this the they we are talking about are going to be mostly young, and no matter how stupid we all agree they are for doing this they will have parents that are going to grieve for them. It is going to end up with a hell of a lot of very, very, angry people. Many of them that will feel that they have little left to lose. There is probably nothing more dangerous than a grieving parent. This is the exact sort of things that kicks off wars.
 

IronWing

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I think the military would dissuade any fools dumb enough to try it with non-lethal force well before it reached the point where the military thought lethal force would be required. My guess is that the military would end up rescuing more morons from the desert heat than they would need to subdue. If lethal force is evoked, I would call it suicide by cop.

Awhile back there was a mass march on a nuke plant in California. The first line of defense was state police. The second line was national guard. The third line was plant security (they were the ones authorized to use lethal force). The state police engaged the marchers and explained about the national guard guys over the next hill. The marchers decided to stage a protest at the state police line rather than face the guard. The guard ended up providing first aid to marchers keeling over in the heat.
 

Puffnstuff

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I'd ROFL if the good natured boys at A51 set up a Close Encounters of the Third Kind style organ and light show for them.
 

Jhhnn

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Probably more like this:


I try to be kind, but the maudlin hand wringing makes me laugh. Google up Groom Lake, Nevada & check out the satellite view. It's 35 miles down a gravel road right smack dab in the middle of nowhere surrounded by some rugged desert landscape. Absolutely no water in the surrounding area. It's not like de gubmint will be getting surprised by some massive horde they couldn't plan on. The nearest town, Rachel, has a population of 54, so it would be hard to miss the crowd, if there is one.
 

glenn1

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I try to be kind, but the maudlin hand wringing makes me laugh. Google up Groom Lake, Nevada & check out the satellite view. It's 35 miles down a gravel road right smack dab in the middle of nowhere surrounded by some rugged desert landscape. Absolutely no water in the surrounding area. It's not like de gubmint will be getting surprised by some massive horde they couldn't plan on. The nearest town, Rachel, has a population of 54, so it would be hard to miss the crowd, if there is one.

I've already said as much. That part of the country is absolutely brutal landscape. Pretty sure this is it and as you can see it's wasteland to the horizon. Likewise I'm pretty sure those mountains you see in the background is the Grapevine Range on the CA/NV border which is a damn long ways away. Does this look like something a bunch of folks with no survival skills would just walk across a few dozen miles of, in the middle of summer with temps of 40°C or more?

 
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That's a Bingo!

That's just the later memes making fun of it though. But that's what I'm asking. Is the entire thing a known sham? Who actually created what in this? My initial guess would be that it was just a random suggestion by someone on some UFO based group, and then they sought other people, but then somewhere it got amplified when mainstream (Reddit, etc) caught wind and then ran with it having fun.

We've seen similar behavior (where they take some minor or not even serious situation and deliberately try to make it into a point of contention or use it to seed rhetoric via supposed "joking/trolling") by Russian meddling and white supremacist groups, and both have ties to the UFO conspiracy shit (the Russians literally created the UFO conspiracy stuff to begin with, and white supremacists seem to peddle in conspiracy theory to a high degree; there's marked similarities between the forced alien human breeding shit and racist interbreeding rhetoric). So it makes me feel like one (or both) of those groups probably were the ones that amplified it. There's also the angle that this seems like its intentionally trying to make light of the very real situation of the government putting immigrants in prison like facilities. Plus it stirs up conspiracy theory garbage inherently. And there seems to have been at least some legitimate push for people to really do this, which would lead to a very real situation where people could get harmed (which would sow further issues, and possibly create another "crisis" situation that government would have to deal with, taking heat off of a certain President).

Like I said, something about this seems very off. But in this bizzaro Twilight Zone we're currently stuck in, I can't tell how much was real organic goofing off, how much was legitimate at all, and how much might have been manipulated and by whom.
 

[DHT]Osiris

Lifer
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I just want to take this seriously for one second to say, please god don't. I don't actually know what would happen if a large number of people, say 10,000+, actually did try to storm a highly secure military base, but I know it would be ugly on a scale we have not seen in several generations. It is the sort of thing that could easily end up in wide spread civil unrest. If they should actually do this the they we are talking about are going to be mostly young, and no matter how stupid we all agree they are for doing this they will have parents that are going to grieve for them. It is going to end up with a hell of a lot of very, very, angry people. Many of them that will feel that they have little left to lose. There is probably nothing more dangerous than a grieving parent. This is the exact sort of things that kicks off wars.
There's pretty established guidelines in situations like this, the mil has standard tactics to deal with unarmed, or armed mobs.
https://fas.org/irp/doddir/army/fm3-19-15.pdf
The (hopefully) worst case scenario is, they pick a loudmouth and put a bullet in their head. That tends to make everyone nearby really squeamish.
 

Jhhnn

IN MEMORIAM
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That's just the later memes making fun of it though. But that's what I'm asking. Is the entire thing a known sham? Who actually created what in this? My initial guess would be that it was just a random suggestion by someone on some UFO based group, and then they sought other people, but then somewhere it got amplified when mainstream (Reddit, etc) caught wind and then ran with it having fun.

We've seen similar behavior (where they take some minor or not even serious situation and deliberately try to make it into a point of contention or use it to seed rhetoric via supposed "joking/trolling") by Russian meddling and white supremacist groups, and both have ties to the UFO conspiracy shit (the Russians literally created the UFO conspiracy stuff to begin with, and white supremacists seem to peddle in conspiracy theory to a high degree; there's marked similarities between the forced alien human breeding shit and racist interbreeding rhetoric). So it makes me feel like one (or both) of those groups probably were the ones that amplified it. There's also the angle that this seems like its intentionally trying to make light of the very real situation of the government putting immigrants in prison like facilities. Plus it stirs up conspiracy theory garbage inherently. And there seems to have been at least some legitimate push for people to really do this, which would lead to a very real situation where people could get harmed (which would sow further issues, and possibly create another "crisis" situation that government would have to deal with, taking heat off of a certain President).

Like I said, something about this seems very off. But in this bizzaro Twilight Zone we're currently stuck in, I can't tell how much was real organic goofing off, how much was legitimate at all, and how much might have been manipulated and by whom.

Notice the author, linked from the OP-

https://www.facebook.com/events/448435052621047/?active_tab=about
 
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