Originally posted by: mb
Originally posted by: Number1
Originally posted by: mb
Originally posted by: destrekor
Originally posted by: mb
regular flu shot: yes
h1n1: hell no
so you get the flu shot and ignore another influenza strain? makes a lot of sense.
Perhaps the fear mongers are actually having an effect on me for once as I haven't actually bothered to do any research yet. It seems the h1n1 vaccine carries a higher risk than the regular vaccine and I sort of don't feel like being a guinea pig here. Plus I still feel the whole "swine flu pandemic" is being blown way out of proportion.
Ah fuck, now I read crap like this: WHO probes study seasonal shot may raise H1N1 risk http://www.reuters.com/article/africaCrisis/idUSWEA2303
Please provide scientific evidence to support your fear mongering.
Specifically, what are the risks that you talk of?
Given that the pharmaceutical industry is heavily regulated why do you think the government would approve an unsafe vaccine?
That's the thing, there isn't any evidence yet to say it's safe or not. The original h1n1 was linked with an increase in GBS and there are concerns the new vaccine will too. I've only seen one study and it was on 600 children with no side effects. Sounds good, but 600 is a tiny sample.
Also, that third line is laughable. Most industries are heavily regulated and shit still gets through.
Originally posted by: Gibsons
Originally posted by: mb
Originally posted by: Number1
Originally posted by: mb
Originally posted by: destrekor
Originally posted by: mb
regular flu shot: yes
h1n1: hell no
so you get the flu shot and ignore another influenza strain? makes a lot of sense.
Perhaps the fear mongers are actually having an effect on me for once as I haven't actually bothered to do any research yet. It seems the h1n1 vaccine carries a higher risk than the regular vaccine and I sort of don't feel like being a guinea pig here. Plus I still feel the whole "swine flu pandemic" is being blown way out of proportion.
Ah fuck, now I read crap like this: WHO probes study seasonal shot may raise H1N1 risk http://www.reuters.com/article/africaCrisis/idUSWEA2303
Please provide scientific evidence to support your fear mongering.
Specifically, what are the risks that you talk of?
Given that the pharmaceutical industry is heavily regulated why do you think the government would approve an unsafe vaccine?
That's the thing, there isn't any evidence yet to say it's safe or not. The original h1n1 was linked with an increase in GBS and there are concerns the new vaccine will too. I've only seen one study and it was on 600 children with no side effects. Sounds good, but 600 is a tiny sample.
Also, that third line is laughable. Most industries are heavily regulated and shit still gets through.
Influenza infections are also associated with GBS.
Originally posted by: Gibsons
Originally posted by: Regs
My mother is a damn nutt with this kind of stuff. She belongs in a padded room. OMG the ski is falling and we're all going to die! You know.. the types that live in fear 24/7.
Does she live under a chair lift?
Originally posted by: mb
Originally posted by: Number1
Originally posted by: mb
Originally posted by: destrekor
Originally posted by: mb
regular flu shot: yes
h1n1: hell no
so you get the flu shot and ignore another influenza strain? makes a lot of sense.
Perhaps the fear mongers are actually having an effect on me for once as I haven't actually bothered to do any research yet. It seems the h1n1 vaccine carries a higher risk than the regular vaccine and I sort of don't feel like being a guinea pig here. Plus I still feel the whole "swine flu pandemic" is being blown way out of proportion.
Ah fuck, now I read crap like this: WHO probes study seasonal shot may raise H1N1 risk http://www.reuters.com/article/africaCrisis/idUSWEA2303
Please provide scientific evidence to support your fear mongering.
Specifically, what are the risks that you talk of?
Given that the pharmaceutical industry is heavily regulated why do you think the government would approve an unsafe vaccine?
That's the thing, there isn't any evidence yet to say it's safe or not. The original h1n1 was linked with an increase in GBS and there are concerns the new vaccine will too. I've only seen one study and it was on 600 children with no side effects. Sounds good, but 600 is a tiny sample.
Also, that third line is laughable. Most industries are heavily regulated and shit still gets through.
Originally posted by: Gibsons
Originally posted by: mb
Originally posted by: Number1
Originally posted by: mb
Originally posted by: destrekor
Originally posted by: mb
regular flu shot: yes
h1n1: hell no
so you get the flu shot and ignore another influenza strain? makes a lot of sense.
Perhaps the fear mongers are actually having an effect on me for once as I haven't actually bothered to do any research yet. It seems the h1n1 vaccine carries a higher risk than the regular vaccine and I sort of don't feel like being a guinea pig here. Plus I still feel the whole "swine flu pandemic" is being blown way out of proportion.
Ah fuck, now I read crap like this: WHO probes study seasonal shot may raise H1N1 risk http://www.reuters.com/article/africaCrisis/idUSWEA2303
Please provide scientific evidence to support your fear mongering.
Specifically, what are the risks that you talk of?
Given that the pharmaceutical industry is heavily regulated why do you think the government would approve an unsafe vaccine?
That's the thing, there isn't any evidence yet to say it's safe or not. The original h1n1 was linked with an increase in GBS and there are concerns the new vaccine will too. I've only seen one study and it was on 600 children with no side effects. Sounds good, but 600 is a tiny sample.
Also, that third line is laughable. Most industries are heavily regulated and shit still gets through.
Influenza infections are also associated with GBS.
.That number of GBS cases was slightly higher than what is normally seen in the population, whether or not people were vaccinated. Since then, numerous studies have been done to evaluate if other flu vaccines were associated with GBS. In most studies, no association was found, but two studies suggested that approximately 1 additional person out of 1 million vaccinated people may be at risk for GBS associated with the seasonal influenza vaccine.
Originally posted by: Gibsons
Originally posted by: eits
uh, no.
no, i should. no, i won't.
i shouldn't because i'm not at risk for anything, and even if i was, it wouldn't help me any, considering how even though more flu shots are administered each year, they don't do anything to bring down the rate of death due to flu.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/...2/AR2005102200063.html
A poor and superficial analysis, ignoring any number of confounding variables, will usually lead one to an incorrect conclusion. As is the case here.
Originally posted by: dmw16
Nope. It's for pu$$ies.
Oh, and old people, and small children, and people with compromised immune systems.
Originally posted by: eits
Originally posted by: Gibsons
Originally posted by: eits
uh, no.
no, i should. no, i won't.
i shouldn't because i'm not at risk for anything, and even if i was, it wouldn't help me any, considering how even though more flu shots are administered each year, they don't do anything to bring down the rate of death due to flu.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/...2/AR2005102200063.html
A poor and superficial analysis, ignoring any number of confounding variables, will usually lead one to an incorrect conclusion. As is the case here.
uh, those who wrote this article are physician researchers in the va outcomes group and faculty members of dartmouth medical school. they conduct regular seminars on how to interpret medical studies.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/...2/AR2005102200042.html
http://photos1.blogger.com/pho...00/GR2005102401299.gif
i'm not gonna tell anyone NOT to get the flu shot, unless they're gonna have their kids under 6 years old get one, but i, personally, won't get one. it's a waste and it just gives more money to big pharma to make more useless drugs i'm gonna see a commercial for telling me to talk to my doctor about.
Originally posted by: WildHorse
No.
I don't accept the media messages intended to stampede the masses, and my older uncle told me about a history of same with some flu serum during past-time presidency, maybe Ford or Carter I don't remember. Basically, the actual biological disease is vastly less than hype boosted to mania by media.
Tick - born disease (Lyme & others) emanating (this is a non-controversial fact, demonstrable by plotting georaphical coverage vs. t) from USA east coast (probably from Plum Island?) is a greater threat to the wide citizenry at large.
We never had stuff like that here till just lately (west Nile, ebola, Lyme, etc.). It only appeared here in last 2-3 years, Now how do you "conspiracy theory" kneejerk reactionaries explain that? Please do cogently explain it.
P.S. the Plum Island thing is non-controversial, and a demonstrable fact you can see yourself bny plotting geographic coverage vs. t) so mods & lifers here please do try, to your best maturity level, to withhold your typical barrage of mindless "conspiracy theory witch hunt" garbage posts hell-bent on suppressing posts about controversial subjects. Your "get your mind right!" way is NOT the majority-way.
Simple objective fact.
As for flu, I usually ahave always been able to quickly cure myself simply by fasting for a few (3-5) days. And wash hands at every chance.
Originally posted by: WildHorse
No.
I don't accept the media messages intended to stampede the masses, and my older uncle told me about a history of same with some flu serum during past-time presidency, maybe Ford or Carter I don't remember. Basically, the actual biological disease is vastly less than hype boosted to mania by media.
Tick - born disease (Lyme & others) emanating (this is a non-controversial fact, demonstrable by plotting georaphical coverage vs. t) from USA east coast (probably from Plum Island?) is a greater threat to the wide citizenry at large.
We never had stuff like that here till just lately (west Nile, ebola, Lyme, etc.). It only appeared here in last 2-3 years, Now how do you "conspiracy theory" kneejerk reactionaries explain that? Please do cogently explain it.
P.S. the Plum Island thing is non-controversial, and a demonstrable fact you can see yourself bny plotting geographic coverage vs. t) so mods & lifers here please do try, to your best maturity level, to withhold your typical barrage of mindless "conspiracy theory witch hunt" garbage posts hell-bent on suppressing posts about controversial subjects. Your "get your mind right!" way is NOT the majority-way.
Simple objective fact.
As for flu, I usually ahave always been able to quickly cure myself simply by fasting for a few (3-5) days. And wash hands at every chance.
Originally posted by: WildHorse
Originally posted by: Newfie
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What in the hell are you saying?
Nothing that I have read in your post is objective. Something that your older uncle told you? Trying to claim a link of West nile, ebola, lyme, to.....something (your post is so convoluted is impossible to follow)....without any evidence?
You have proven nothing and speculated everything. "Objective" my ass....
Also, you can "cure" yourself of the flu by fasting for 3-5 days? Have you ever actually HAD an influenza infection?
So we can take it you may have some disinfo affiliation?
You "ask" (i.e., try to splash) the supposed question, "What in the hell are you saying? "
Only way to take that is that you are pretending to be incompetent of understanding my most plain, kindergarten-level statement, namely,
"Plot geographic dispersion vs. time"
So Newfie please go do that for Lyme disease and report back here.
(1)"Tick - born disease (Lyme & others) emanating (this is a non-controversial fact, demonstrable by plotting georaphical coverage vs. t) from USA east coast (probably from Plum Island?) (2) is a greater threat to the wide citizenry at large."
So Newfie please go do that for Lyme disease and report back here