Willamette chipset will stay inside Intel.

[lupin]

Have you heard this?? It was posted at the Register on 10/07/2000.

"And the company, the same sources reveal, will not license the Pentium 4 buses to other companies, implying that the chipsets will stay firmly in Chipzilla mitts.

The system price with Rambus RIMMs and an Intel motherboard based on the Tehama chipset is expected to be high. We shall have more details later this week. "

Damn, that sounds bad. Pentium 4 users are forced to Intel's chipsets and Rambus.

What do you guys think??

Looks like Athlon + DDR is the only choice.

 

[BoberFett]

Well, considering that Intel doesn't like the fact that Via is currently manufacturing chipsets for the P3, it seems logical that they wouldn't let them do it for the P4.

 

[AngelOfDeath]

Intel's going Bye Bye with that attitude...And once again trying to force Ramsucks in to our cases can't get any more stupid. And to me it seems like a company in great need for cool cash 'cause why else build the hole prodline by them selfs??

If that post holds water this proc I own gonna be the last from intel.

AoD

 

[Eli]

Interesting. If this is true, it could be big..

 

[Czar]

If thats true why buy a Intel/Rambus computer when you can get a AMD/Via computer for like 5 times less and probably with the same performance.

If Sledgehammer will beat Itanium then Intel is finished.

 

[Kill_Phil]

"If Sledgehammer will beat Itanium then Intel is finished."

i simply cant belive intel will be finished off that easily, im shure they "know" what they are doing... somehow, someway.. they dident become a monopoly from nothing, ya know

 

[Czar]

If Sledgehammer will beat Itanium then that means the 64bit software will be written in x86-64 but not in IA-64 (I think the instruction sets are called that). Intels future lies in IA-64.

 

[Sillyputty]

Intel will never be finished. It's very difficult to beat them simply because they are entrenched and they have vast financial momentum.

It's not real probable that VIA is making a sizeable dent in their sales of chipsets, sooo...

We can only hope that AMD continues to match Intel on performance while beating them on price. Now that the VIA chipsets are actually something worth owning/deploying, perhaps AMD will pick up even more momentum.

I know that my Boxx O Roxxe will have Mo' Mentum once the AMD 760 chipset arrives. Then the Rambus Pickers of Nose will neither have their cake, nor will they eat it. Betting on Rambus for the long-term seems to me like a bad move. I bet the head peeps at Intel are trying to find a way to unwind themselves from the Dark Empire (Rambus) as I type this. We shall see, loyal readers, we shall see.

As far as the proprietary nature of the P4 is concerned, let them keep it. People like you and me will save money on the CPU and the RAM by purchasing AMD/VIA units.

 

[thedarkwolf]

"It's not real probable that VIA is making a sizeable dent in their sales of chipsets, sooo..."

I think its just the opisite. Didn't via make a huge jump in market share this year after intell brought out the 820 and a lot of the oems said Ill pass and went with via?

 

[tmj]

Companies will buy the P4 for the Intel name.

Usually in big companies (where the money is), the people who make the purchasing decisions know nothing about the technology they're purchasing. Therefore, they will stick with Intel CPUs since that's all they know. They won't care if it's a $5000 system with $3000 of RAMBUS ram in it. It's what they are comfortable with and will continue to buy, no matter what the price / performance.

 

[KarsinTheHutt]

tmj is right. All the new HPs we're getting where i work have pc700 RDRAMs and people think they r great.

 

[KarsinTheHutt]

I'm just wondering if Micron Samurai DDR chipset will support P3. That would rock!

If Rambus bombs out Intel will just move the Foster's chipset to the Pentium 4 for ddr support. We'll still pay an arm or a leg though i'm sure...

 

[Tripleshot]

tmj

You can't get much farther from the truth than that.You can't even believe that!

Big corporations get big by hiring smart people and good bean counters. The IT dept's of big corporations look at budgets all the time as part of thier analysis for upgrades or outright purchases.

Intel can build whatever they want.They won't push Tehema or Rambus down anyones throat.They will lose more money on rambus than you can imagine because IT people are privvy to whats going on.This isn't a mystery. Intel will adjust to the market,and the market isn't buying rambus.I'm really not that worried about rambus anymore.Even Intel's own testing shows how flawed rambus is in comparison with ddr or even pc133 sdr.

This dance is going to go on for a long,long,time.IMHO

 

[KarsinTheHutt]

If IT people are such good bean counters, why don't more companies use systems w' AMD chips? Even a few years ago, k6 systems were as good as intel ones in everything cept fpu.

 

[Tripleshot]

The FPU was important enough to IT depts that manage data to keep away from AMD. Those things are changing but they take time.If an IT dept spends more than $900 for his "normal use" workstation needs,the bean counters would have his head.That leaves Rambus out of the picture for 95% of corporate P.C's Rambus only hope is high end server and Corporate doesn't change servers that often.Not at $30,000+ a pop.

It people aren't the bean counters,they just report to them. Then the bean counter gets the approval for purchases from the head cheeze.(I know there is a pun in there somewhere.;P)

For safty sake,many companies by Dell for the warrenty protection and there serviceability.They aren't much more than the $900 I just mentioned.

 

[Crimson]

Listening to all of you proclaim the downfall of Intel is so amusing. As I have pointed out before, Intel makes more each year in INVESTMENTS alone than AMD does in profits on sales of their products. So Intel could never sell another CPU and still be making more money than AMD.. and thats not even factoring in that Intel makes TONS of other things other than CPU's.. they would still be a massively successful and profitable company if they never sold another CPU ever.

Intel is in no danger of going out of business anytime soon, regardless of what AMD, Rambus, VIA, DDR, etc does.. so stop saying such stupid things. I swear these forums are overun by 8 year olds sometimes.

 

[Windogg]

Hmmm... a company that refuses to license out their technology, charge an exorbitant amount for their stuff, use a funky propriatary interfaces, flash over function marketing, and think they are big shots.... does it sound like.....





















APPLE!!!!!

 

[Cosmic_Horror]

*yawn*

intel makes more than just processors you know...

 

[Crystal Bay]

Intel will never DIE... They are having a 2 for 1 stock split on 7-30-00. Only AMD and you can help your selves...

 

[Hyper99]

I have a friend that loves AMD no matter what
He hated Intel period without any reason, just said it sucks.
Hehe I can see, he is poor, and you know buy which ever is cheaper
If you an AMD user of course you say AMD rocks
if you an Intel user you would say Intel rocks
If you got a K6-2, and you wanna upgrade?
Wait at least another 6 months, jumping into these newer cpu when they are released isn't such a good idea and your investment would go down the drain.
Look like it going to be about 300 bucks, not a good ideas since
these extra speed is not going to help me doing anything much except
brag about how good it is blowing away Celeron.

 

[Noriaki]

It's a damn shame is what it is.

I'm very much looking forward to the Williamette vs Mustang war.

But if it turns out you can only have Rambus for the P4, then there is no fight in my opinion. I don't like wasting money. I bought an athlon, nice and cheap good performance. I'd buy a P3-550E or 600E, a little more expensive but nice overclocking.

I would not buy a P3-866 with Rambus (well I suppose if my boss said here buy yourself a new computer, and put it on the company credit card , then sure, but not with my money).

I could afford a GeForce2 GTS, but I won't buy one. I'm more a GeForce2 MX type person. I like bang for your buck as it were. And that's not Rambus. I hope intel reconsiders, I would like the choice between "Mustang" Athlon and Pentium4...

As it stands now, It's AMD + DDR for me as well.

 

[Crimson]

Rambus prices have dropped like a rock since it was introduced.. sure, its still overpriced, but I have a feeling the price issue won't be around for too much longer.

 

[Rectalfier]

Intel has openly stated that they are in a transition period. They are moving away from the CPU business as their primary opbjective. Intel will slowly creep away from the public eye the same way IBM did.