win 10 forced update causes first casualties...

[mohit9206]

This is one of the reasons why I'm going to stick with Windows 7 until next year atleast. Forced updates causing issues and headaches, in app advertisements, etc are not something i particularly am interested to deal with.
Windows 7 is still the best OS MS has ever made and until Windows 10 matures, it will stay that way.

 

[TeknoBug]

Another reason to not buy into that G3258 hype.

Also hardware/driver based updates shouldn't be force pushed, yet gets pushed via Win 10, at least I discovered the option to disable that.

PS- Win 7 is still rock solid, I'm still debating to restore it but I have a month to do so.

 

[cmdrdredd]

But MS pushes it. There is ALWAYS going to be faulty 3rd party software and MS faulty updates, in previous versions of windows you could NOT install them, in win10 it forces ALL the updates on you, you have no option NOT to install an update!

There is a tool you can download (I found it via a search) that lets you hide updates that aren't installed yet. Also as posted above you can tell windows to never download driver software.

 

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[rchunter]

This is one of the reasons why I'm going to stick with Windows 7 until next year atleast. Forced updates causing issues and headaches, in app advertisements, etc are not something i particularly am interested to deal with.
Windows 7 is still the best OS MS has ever made and until Windows 10 matures, it will stay that way.

Doing the same. I'm still testing 10 but it's on a separate HDD. My 2 windows computers are still running 7 and probably will be for the foreseeable future. I will have to see come the end of the year if dx12 games are worth the hassle of running 10 on my gaming box. My work computer is definitely staying with 7.

 

[BTRY B 529th FA BN]

Yeah, I turned off Automatic updates on my main machine yesterday after Windows screwed up my gaming PC. Had to wipe out the entire OS and start with a fresh W7 install. Didn't do more than two updates to the hardware and am using the MS update tool for Windows 10. Hope it goes smooth.

 

[quikah]

This is wrong. It is forced update. You can disable updated on windown xp,7,8 and 8.1. You don't have the option to disable updates or install when you want to on win10 home edition. Pro edition you can delay the updates for a certain time, but on that edition it will automatically update at some point.

Only the enterprise edition can significantly delay updates up to 2 years.

Read what I wrote. The offending microcode is not an update for windows 10, it is part of the install, so being able to disable updates has no effect on this bug.

 

[cmdrdredd]

That doesn't disable shit. That same setting was present in prior operating systems (but with "Never Install..." as the default), and it didn't seem to work very consistently in them either.

The first thing I did upon installing Windows 10 (which I did offline) was set that setting to "Never Install...", but when I went online Windows 10 didn't hesitate to install driver software for a trackpad.



Bear in mind that the page for that tool specifically states that it is for the preview, and[EDIT: The KB has been revised] it has "temporary" stamped all over it.

"Detecting problems"? They didn't even bother to write relevant messaging for it. It's clearly not a permanent solution. Who knows how long it will actually remain viable for. Also, I had one of the drivers I'd hidden with the tool get installed anyway.

Even if it does last, it's no substitute for the classic WU GUI. You don't get a chance to put the drivers/updates on the hide list until, inevitably (unless you're monitoring your network activity 24/7), after it's installed the damned things, at which point you have to go back and clean up the mess.

You could just defer and check periodically for ones you don't want if you are on pro. There was a couple updates I hid last night and they didn't install when I forced it to check for updates. I have never had windows download or install a driver when I told it not to either. It has always worked as it should, preventing windows update from doing any driver installs. Maybe I am just lucky but I don't seem to have some of these crazy issues that pop up.

 

[mxnerd]

I already experienced G3258 BSOD on Windows 7 after I installed KB3064209.

I had to replace new bought ASROCK motherboard with ECS. I'm sure this update will be included in Windows 10 and cause problem and it does.

Average users will always blame Microsoft first for all kinds of push updates system failures. Guess Microsoft wants to push more users away from using Windows?

 

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[werepossum]

They would have to be retarded. Do you know how large of an anti-trust suit could be brought against them?

Besides, they can't even get Windows 10 to upgrade properly on my machine when I want it to. Why should I believe they could surreptitiously break my hardware in the background if they can't even get the easy things right?

+1

Although . . . maybe they are concentrating resources on the parts important to them?

/conspiracy

It has been like that as long as I remember... I started on computers running MSDOS 3.

It is new and will have rough edges for some.

DOS isn't done until Lotus won't run.

 

[SparkyJJO]

That doesn't disable shit. That same setting was present in prior operating systems (but with "Never Install..." as the default), and it didn't seem to work very consistently in them either.

The first thing I did upon installing Windows 10 (which I did offline) was set that setting to "Never Install...", but when I went online Windows 10 didn't hesitate to install driver software for a trackpad.

Don't know what your problem is but I have never had Windows ever install a driver for hardware in XP, Vista, 7, 8, or 8.1, when the option to never do it was selected. And I've worked on and managed many, many computers. I can't speak for Win10 as I have not tried it yet, but other versions have all worked exactly as they should.

 

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[escrow4]

Overhyped issue. I installed a stack of mobo drivers for this H81M-S2H offline, went online a new HD 4400 driver popped up. Installed and the world didn't end. H81 has never supported overclocking and Intel is ending it. Oh well.

 

[ShintaiDK]

I just retested in 10. Clean install, not network connection. Set "Never install driver software from Windows Update". Restarted, connected network and ran Windows Update. Three drivers in there, as plain as day, which it proceeds to download and install:

Unfortunately Windows 10 is 3-12 months away from being ready. try for example to disable a network adapter and reenable it. Or try change network provider order. Or make a VSS backup. The list is endless.

Its also quite clear MS doesnt believe in it themselves. Note the missing server versions. Nothing in sight.

 

[cmdrdredd]

So on previous operating systems, what does the "Never install driver software..." setting do for you? Does it stop drivers from appearing in the Windows Update list in the first place?

They aren't checked off and installed which is what you're telling it to do...never install it. If I tell windows 8 to install updates automatically, driver updates will never be installed unless I physically go tell it to.

I just retested in 10. Clean install, not network connection. Set "Never install driver software from Windows Update". Restarted, connected network and ran Windows Update. Three drivers in there, as plain as day, which it proceeds to download and install:

If you have no drivers (a clean install tells me there's no driver there unless you installed drivers for your devices) windows always installs a default one. This has been the case since what Win98? Are you sure that's not what it's doing? There's a difference between updating a working driver and installing a driver for a device without one.

 

[Ketchup]

Agreed. Grab drivers needed from Manufacturer's sites to satisfy device manager. Then see if the selection to not install updates is working.

 

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[kmmatney]

Funny - 2 of the 3 machines I've updated to Windows 10 are overclocked G3258 systems. They are both running great (and very fast) - I'll have to look into this issue, though.

For anyone finding this with a Google search, I'm running them at 4.2 GHz and 4.3 GHz, using an MSI Z97 PC-Mate motherboard.

At least there appears to be a temproary work-around by renaming the C:\Windows\System32\mcupdate_GenuineIntel.dll file.

 

[mxnerd]

ASROCK has released the BIOS that fix microcode problem for affected motherboards.

http://forum.asrock.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=441&PN=8&title=kb3064209-breaks-the-g3258

 

[Underclocked]

I just got off the phone with a lady that's in her mid eighties. She's a pretty sharp lady but fell into the 10 upgrade trap thanks to it being from a "trusted" source. She has a Dell all-in-one that is a 2012 model. She said the upgrade seemed to go well and succeeded but, coming from Windows 7, she didn't know how to use 10. She looked things over for a day and then shut down her computer. Now it seems her computer won't boot at all.

Microsoft should definitely be ashamed of this too heavily pushed "upgrade" business. I will look at the computer later, but since it's an all-in-one I'm a little doubtful that I can repair it economically. I think Microsoft owes her a computer.

 

[Ketchup]

I agree that I don't like the way they are pushing it. It is not a "you can do this." It is a "we are going to pug you until you do" (I get a popup from the tray now, every time I restart the computer). I am cloning to another drive right now so that I can run the update with it, and clear the update from the drive and the reminder from the taskbar.

 

[SparkyJJO]

I just got off the phone with a lady that's in her mid eighties. She's a pretty sharp lady but fell into the 10 upgrade trap thanks to it being from a "trusted" source. She has a Dell all-in-one that is a 2012 model. She said the upgrade seemed to go well and succeeded but, coming from Windows 7, she didn't know how to use 10. She looked things over for a day and then shut down her computer. Now it seems her computer won't boot at all.

Microsoft should definitely be ashamed of this too heavily pushed "upgrade" business. I will look at the computer later, but since it's an all-in-one I'm a little doubtful that I can repair it economically. I think Microsoft owes her a computer.

Just revert it to 7. It being a desktop, all-in-one, or a laptop makes no difference reloading 7 at the worst case.

 

[TeknoBug]

I just read on Forbes that an update KB3081424 causes a lot of system instability (crash loops and and repeated attempt to reinstall it once removed). I have that update and so far nothing happening for me.

 

[mxnerd]

There is solution, but it's complex.

http://betanews.com/2015/08/10/wind...sing-endless-reboots-but-there-is-a-solution/

The verdict: don't rush becoming first lab rats when Microsoft release new Windows or updates in corporate environment. If you screws up, especially boss's computer, you probably will get fired.