Win10 a spyware and trojan horse?

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TeknoBug

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Stop MS spying on them...man and I thought people who think everything came from Aliens were crazy.

It's nearly as bad as the whole thing about the Xbox One Kinect recording you. It doesn't happen.
It isn't MS spying on us, it's MS gathering information on us then selling them to whoever wants them. Facebook has been doing that for years now, not sure why people write/do dumb shit on there and expect to not be red flagged or caught.

Now where's that tinfoil hat emo.
 

Underclocked

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I view Windows 10 as a malware operating system that is not designed for the desktop environment.

Microsoft's hard push to get people to "upgrade" is disgusting in itself.



Windows 7 and 8 updates you probably don't want in your system:

First run Windows update and get available updates, if you see these in the list hide them. Then...

kb 3021917

kb 3050265

kb 3035583

KB 2952664

KB 2976978

KB 2990214

KB 3068708

KB 3022345

KB 2952664


wusa /uninstall /KB:xxxxxxx

Uninstall from Admin Command Prompt by adding the KB number (only) where the xxxxxxx are in the above line.


Example: wusa /uninstall /KB:2952664

Several may not be on your machine but the process will simply tell you they are not installed.

Run Windows update again after completing the uninstalls and hide any of the above that are offered again.
 
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cmdrdredd

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It isn't MS spying on us, it's MS gathering information on us then selling them to whoever wants them. Facebook has been doing that for years now, not sure why people write/do dumb shit on there and expect to not be red flagged or caught.

Now where's that tinfoil hat emo.


Yeah but a lot of the info gathered helps when you get issues they can fix in a future update or for cortana to function fully. You are right about Facebook and the like though for sure.
 

stockwiz

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These changes are just a little bit arrogant on their part, knowing how people value their privacy.. if they are going to sell all our privacy to advertisers and the like the operating system should be permanently free. So long as they are charging people for it I'm disabling every last bit of it. At least facebook is free.

The sheer magnitude of the intrusiveness makes me want to try Linux Mint.
 

Ketchup

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These changes are just a little bit arrogant on their part, knowing how people value their privacy.. if they are going to sell all our privacy to advertisers and the like the operating system should be permanently free. So long as they are charging people for it I'm disabling every last bit of it. At least facebook is free.

The sheer magnitude of the intrusiveness makes me want to try Linux Mint.

Do you actually know the "sheer magnitude" of the data they are collecting here? If so, please share it with us. We would all like to know.
 
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WelshBloke

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Do actually know the "sheer magnitude" of the data they are collecting here? If so, please share it with us. We would all like to know.
If you're using the Microsoft recommended settings it's going to be about a shit ton of data, give or take a tad.

Between the telemetry, cortana, bing, Microsoft account, and targeted advertising there's a lot to log.
 

Red Squirrel

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Actually when I get a chance I might experiment with this and a packet capture at the firewall level to see what type of data gets collected. It's probably all encrypted mind you but seeing the amount of data might at least give an idea. A smarter way might be to see if I can do a live capture on a separate machine to see when data goes out (ex: when I do a search for a file). You don't want to run the capture within the actual OS you're testing though as it might be smart enough to do something to fool it.

For example when using Cartona is it sending data (such as your vocie or words) to a server? That could be a big concern if that is the case. Samsung TVs were found out to do exactly that which means they can basically listen to your speech. Supposedly Siri actually does this too. There are actual people who go through and listen to what people are saying. That is information that should be processed locally and stay local.
 

DustinBrowder

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1. https://np.reddit.com/r/Windows10/comments/3gm1e3/what_windows_10_is_actually_monitoring_regardless/

2. http://arstechnica.com/information-...ndows-10-just-cant-stop-talking-to-microsoft/

3. https://i.imgur.com/FXXRkeA.gif - Active live spying of your searches even with all privacy settings set for maximum privacy!
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I've seen theres a lot of speculation on whether the observed network connections from Windows 10 with privacy options on are actually spying or not, and figured some actual evidence would be in order.
Anyone can recreate this for themselves:

  1. Fresh install of Windows 10.
  2. Set all privacy options to off, disable cortana, disable web search
  3. Ensure all updates are done. Close all programs.
  4. Install Fiddler, and enable HTTPS sniffing. (If you use wireshark, you wont be able to view the HTTPS)
  5. Press stream in fiddler.
  6. Click the windows search bar, type any letter, watch the HTTPS session to bing.com appear.
Im still trying to figure out exactly what it is that it is transmitting, but its for sure sending a user-agent string that identifies itself as Cortana.
Some observed behaviors:

  • Clicking on a link from an application (in this case, a download link from within Fiddler) submits the URL you are visiting to urs.microsoft.com.
  • Opening applications-- even with SmartScreen disabled-- opens sessions to apprep.smartscreen.microsoft.com and, among other things, submits the hash of the application. EDIT: Apparently you must also disable smartscreen in edge. Even so, it will initiate a connection to w.apprep.smartscreen.microsoft.com
  • Typing anything into the search bar will, regardless of settings, initiate an HTTPS session to www.bing.com. It will transmit a cookie, though so far I have not seen anything in there that looks like keystroke monitoring, as the only thing that appears to change between attempts is an HV section of the cookie. It appears to be downloading javascript, and submitting identifying data (screen resolution, install date, SID). The URL it uses is https://www.bing.com/manifest/threshold.appcache
  • Opening the settings app and going into account options sometimes opens a session to public-family.api.account.microsoft.com:443. I suppose this would be expected.
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Windows 10 uses the Internet a lot to support many of its features. The operating system also sports numerous knobs to twiddle that are supposed to disable most of these features, and the potentially privacy-compromising connections that go with them.
Unfortunately for privacy advocates, these controls don't appear to be sufficient to completely prevent the operating system from going online and communicating with Microsoft's servers.
For example, even with Cortana and searching the Web from the Start menu disabled, opening Start and typing will send a request to www.bing.com to request a file called threshold.appcache which appears to contain some Cortana information, even though Cortana is disabled. The request for this file appears to contain a random machine ID that persists across reboots.
NO way to shut down the spying, even if you have disabled all of the supposed spying in settings AND have modified the registry, services AND policy! Win10 is literally NSA backdoor into your life, your bank accounts, your data, your research, your darkest secrets, your whole life!

IMPORTANT: Go the the following link http://pastebin.com/050GLwG8 and COPY all of the data to your windows HOSTS file (windows>system32>drivers>etc>HOSTS) To prevent your OS from sending data to those servers.
 
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mxnerd

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Wow, MS becomes FBI/CIA/NSA? That server list is huge!

No wonder China wants to create their own OS.

Time to go back to Windows 7, I guess.
 

JEDIYoda

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you need to consider who the OP is......

He is convinced that windows 10 is of the Devil!

Yet any competent person can easily turn off all the things the OP believes is Malware or a Trojan or somethi9ng else that is nefarious!!

This is truthfully much ado about nothing!!
 

escrow4

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NSA already has all your stuff and can make you disappear within the hour. You don't have privacy no more. It ain't 1776. The US in 2015 is a giant corporation and your online life has already been onsold dozens of times. More pointless moaning.
 

DustinBrowder

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you need to consider who the OP is......

He is convinced that windows 10 is of the Devil!

Yet any competent person can easily turn off all the things the OP believes is Malware or a Trojan or somethi9ng else that is nefarious!!

This is truthfully much ado about nothing!!

Here is a troll, who doesn't read, doesn't visit the links, doesn't look at the evidence and just trolls and spreads spam!

If you actually READ the links I posted, you'll see that even with the maximum privacy set through the settings, it still spies on you!

It spies on you even with privacy set to maximum. It still sends all your data, it sends searches, it sends app data, etc...
 

Ketchup

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I wonder if the authors of some of these articles have ever tried to look this closely at search engine results /clicks. Hint: a search engine of any kind (be it Cortana or otherwise) is going to track where the request is coming from. Pop quiz: if you have a free Gmail account, ask yourself how they got the money to just "give" you a gig or so of storage space. Same for OneDrive. It isn't just because they felt like being nice.

This tells me that a lot of people here don't remember being on the computer before the Internet. In today's world, most people are never on one without the other. People download and play "free" apps all the time with no concern as to how or why it's "free."

I really don't like how people try to get others all worked up about things that have been going on for years. In today's world, if you don't want to share raw data for statistical results and targeted ads, don't get on the Internet.
 

JEDIYoda

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If you're using the Microsoft recommended settings it's going to be about a shit ton of data, give or take a tad.

Between the telemetry, cortana, bing, Microsoft account, and targeted advertising there's a lot to log.
he didn`t say guess..... He asked if you know....
 

JEDIYoda

Lifer
Jul 13, 2005
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Here is a troll, who doesn't read, doesn't visit the links, doesn't look at the evidence and just trolls and spreads spam!

If you actually READ the links I posted, you'll see that even with the maximum privacy set through the settings, it still spies on you!

It spies on you even with privacy set to maximum. It still sends all your data, it sends searches, it sends app data, etc...
sadly you are jumping to conclusions and quite frankly everything you are talking can be turned off@!!! I am using windows 10 and have no issues and have turned off everything that could be considered spyware.....

To call windows 10 a Trojan is just plain stupid!!
 

Underclocked

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It meets the criteria in my mind at least. To dismiss further invasion of your privacy as inconsequential is exactly what the big boys count on. You can be complacent, fat, dumb and happy about it if you like... some of us do NOT like.

And no, I don't believe there is much privacy to be had in this cyber world but to have Microsoft fully buy into the spying business (for whatever purpose) is a slap in the face to those that had previously had some degree of trust in them. They have become complete whores to the dollar.
 

WelshBloke

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sadly you are jumping to conclusions and quite frankly everything you are talking can be turned off@!!! I am using windows 10 and have no issues and have turned off everything that could be considered spyware.....

To call windows 10 a Trojan is just plain stupid!!
Are you trying to prove the people right that said you don't read before replying?

Yes you can turn it off but, yes, it keeps sending the data.

I'm glad that turning a slider in the settings gray gives you the warm and fuzzies but, personally, I'm more interested in if it's still sending my data out.
 

SparkyJJO

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"MS has your bank accounts and your life" look if you want to point out security concerns then fine, but over exaggerating stuff like this simply serves to weaken your position, not strengthen it.
 

DustinBrowder

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"MS has your bank accounts and your life" look if you want to point out security concerns then fine, but over exaggerating stuff like this simply serves to weaken your position, not strengthen it.

This is from Microsoft EULA:“We will access, disclose and preserve personal data, including your content (such as the content of your emails, other private communications or files in private folders), when we have a good faith belief that doing so is necessary”

They can and will access your bank data, business data, medical data, porn data, life data, etc... Their own EULA is which they say it so!!!
 

SparkyJJO

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This is from Microsoft EULA:“We will access, disclose and preserve personal data, including your content (such as the content of your emails, other private communications or files in private folders), when we have a good faith belief that doing so is necessary”

They can and will access your bank data, business data, medical data, porn data, life data, etc... Their own EULA is which they say it so!!!

Sorry, you're wrong. That is NOT listed anywhere in the Windows 10 EULA, nor in their privacy statement, nor in the Microsoft Services Agreement. I have them in front of me right now and have dug through them. That is NOT in there.

Unless you've actually seen it for yourself don't go regurgitating something you saw on the internet.
 
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