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Tweak155

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I finally converted my Windows 7 to 10 two weeks ago. My last hang up is the fact that my retail box full license Windows 7 is now converted to a license that is tied in to my current hardware (so it's like a pseudo OEM). Now I can't simply just swap this license to a new computer that I build with completely different components. But then I thought I probably won't do that in the next couple of years anyway, so I just went through with the free upgrade.

Your license type should carry over, I.E if you had Win 7 retail you now have Win 10 retail and can transfer it to new hardware, as long as it isn't installed twice.
 

CPA

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ok, I think you guys have convinced me to upgrade. I'm scared.
 

cmdrdredd

Lifer
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Just backup or run file history/restore point before and do it - you're going to need to upgrade to 10 eventually. I heard it will be a long time before another version of Windows is released.


Windows 10 is the last version ever. They will have incremental updates and not full installs. They want everyone to say "I run Windows" and know that it is Windows 10 and everyone is on the same base system version. No more "what version of Windows do you have?"
 

cronos

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Your license type should carry over, I.E if you had Win 7 retail you now have Win 10 retail and can transfer it to new hardware, as long as it isn't installed twice.

This is not what I've been told. I was in another forum back in August when someone actually went to Microsoft support and documented his whole experience asking three different Microsoft tech support person about the status of his Windows retail license after taking the free upgrade to Windows 10. In short, in the end he confirmed that the upgraded license is basically converted to a 'pseudo OEM' license tied to his current hardware. There is no way to extract the serial number from that installation, so in case he wants to install Windows 10 on a new build completely separate from the current machine (assuming, of course, that he won't be using the old machine anymore), there is no way to do so. Just like an OEM license.

Now, granted I haven't personally look into this and just believe what this person said, and there is a possibility that the policy has changed since August, so if you or someone else here knows otherwise, I'm glad to hear it.

Edit: Here's the key sentence from the report "You will get a product key during the in-place upgrade, but you will lose transfer rights during the process. You will then only be able to install on this machine from here on out "

Edit 2: Here's a somewhat related discussion in our own OS forum, just a few days ago

In short, the "free" Win10 upgrade offer is "for the lifetime of the device", you are upgrading, and only that one single device.

On the other hand, if you change your hardware after 07/29/2016, you can still reinstall your prior retail Windows license, but you would no longer qualify to upgrade your new machine to Win10 for free as the free upgrade offer would have expired. "

From Winsupersite <-- this article is really good and includes a lot of related information, including the comment section.

If you upgraded an OEM device to Windows 10 for free then you can still reinstall Windows 10 on it for the lifetime of the device since that license can not be legally transferred to other hardware anyway. If you upgraded a retail version of Windows 7 or 8.1 to Windows 10 then after 29 July 2016 you will be unable to fully move that Windows 10 upgrade to a new device using the Windows 7 or 8.1 retail license.
 
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bononos

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Just backup or run file history/restore point before and do it - you're going to need to upgrade to 10 eventually. I heard it will be a long time before another version of Windows is released.

A restore point isn't necessary if you go through the upgrade process since Win10 will save the old windows dir and allow the user to switch back to Win7/8 within 30 days.
 

Aikouka

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Nov 27, 2001
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I upgraded a few machines to Windows 10, and I downgraded all of them within a week. I upgraded two desktop machines: my gaming HTPC (i5-4560 + GTX 960) and my kitchen's touch HTPC.

Gaming HTPC: The biggest problem that I had here is that Windows 10 messes with the resolution when you don't have an HDMI display active. I would commonly leave Plex open, but when I turned the screen back on, Plex would either be zoomed in to the top-left 800x600 section or it would be in an 800x600 window with the desktop showing for the rest. Also, there were times when my remote simply stopped working. I had to unplug the USB receiver and plug it back in to get it to work. The loss of WMC also hurts this machine. WMC also serves as a nice 10-foot UI with proper remote support.

Touch HTPC: The biggest problem here is a real head-scratcher. This HTPC is treated a lot like a tablet. So, I tend to use the built-in split functionality, which means I can have media open while a recipe is open in the other section. One thing you can do is hit the Windows key, select a new Modern app to open, and Windows will allow you to replace one of the current app split panes. In Windows 10, it simply opens as a full-screen app each time and removes your split. To be fair, I think they actually fixed this in a recent update, but it was really strange why they removed the feature that was in Windows 8. Also, Modern apps will only default to full-screen view when you're in Tablet Mode. The problem with that is that Tablet Mode seems to be kind of buggy. The first time I enabled it, a Modern app immediately popped up but never loaded properly. It was the phone settings app or something like that.

I never really had much of a reason to remove it from my two laptops, but I just didn't really want to deal with it anymore. Since I use digital tuners, I can't really replace it on my desktop, or I'll give up my ability to watch protected content through WMC. Yes, there is some hack that can help get it back, but I'm not 100% sold on it yet. I could get around this by just "acquiring" the TV shows that I normally record, but that's technically not legitimate. Once SiliconDust's DVR comes to fruition, I should be fine.

A restore point isn't necessary if you go through the upgrade process since Win10 will save the old windows dir and allow the user to switch back to Win7/8 within 30 days.

Except you need to be rather careful about what you do after you install Windows 10. Any changes made after Windows 10's install will not be reverted. You also have to be aware of the difference in drivers. For example, as of right now, the Nvidia drivers are still split between Windows Vista/7/8 and Windows 10. So, if you install the Windows 10 driver, which you will have to, you will still have it when you downgrade. The problem is that you can't really tell that easily, because things will look right on the surface.
 
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natto fire

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A restore point isn't necessary if you go through the upgrade process since Win10 will save the old windows dir and allow the user to switch back to Win7/8 within 30 days.

Yep. I upgraded my laptop to Win10, and the settings keys (brightness, and others) didn't work. Turns out Samsung (my last laptop from them) has no plans to release those drivers for Win10. I tried to find a workaround while going without, but eventually just reverted back to Windows 7. It was a very painless process, and relatively quick too.
 

Tweak155

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This is not what I've been told. I was in another forum back in August when someone actually went to Microsoft support and documented his whole experience asking three different Microsoft tech support person about the status of his Windows retail license after taking the free upgrade to Windows 10. In short, in the end he confirmed that the upgraded license is basically converted to a 'pseudo OEM' license tied to his current hardware. There is no way to extract the serial number from that installation, so in case he wants to install Windows 10 on a new build completely separate from the current machine (assuming, of course, that he won't be using the old machine anymore), there is no way to do so. Just like an OEM license.

Now, granted I haven't personally look into this and just believe what this person said, and there is a possibility that the policy has changed since August, so if you or someone else here knows otherwise, I'm glad to hear it.

Edit: Here's the key sentence from the report "You will get a product key during the in-place upgrade, but you will lose transfer rights during the process. You will then only be able to install on this machine from here on out "

Edit 2: Here's a somewhat related discussion in our own OS forum, just a few days ago



From Winsupersite <-- this article is really good and includes a lot of related information, including the comment section.

Ah yeah looks like understandings have been updated since I last looked into it. Although that article does state you can still move your original Win 7 / 8.1 license after 7/29/16, but no free upgrade back to Win 10.
 

Murdoc

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How long will it be before Windows 7 and 8 users are no longer capable playing new game titles?

Will games soon have DirectX 12 requirements that force everyone to Win10?
 
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How long will it be before Windows 7 and 8 users are no longer capable playing new game titles?

Its only recently that XP won't support games, I'd guess a long time since windows 7,8 and 10 are built on the same model. I'd guess the hardware will become too old to run anything after 8 years or so.
Will games soon have DirectX 12 requirements that force everyone to Win10?

No game company is going to limit itself to DX12 gamers only. You need windows 10 and a video card that supports DX12.
 

Ranulf

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Pretty sure that kills the old 7/8 retail license.

I see little reason to upgrade to 10 if your 7/8 install is fine. You have 8+ months until time runs out for the "free" upgrade and there are no DX12 games out right now. New system install? Probably worth it to go to 10.

It is the same old deal with a Windows OS. You wait until the first service pack or in this case almost a year for them to work out the bugs. With 10 that also seems to be wait until people figure out how to turn off all the data tracking. So much for a free upgrade.

In the end, I see a lot of the choices made with 10's design being MS chasing after Google/Android and Apple while alienating their core customer base in businesses and hardcore desktop users. They're certainly not impressive with QA this go around.
 
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Its kind of vague from what I've read. I'd guess the old key would still work with a phone call. Keep in mind that windows 10 will not be free forever. I doubt many people transfer their licenses to new machines.
 

Murdoc

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Its only recently that XP won't support games, I'd guess a long time since windows 7,8 and 10 are built on the same model. I'd guess the hardware will become too old to run anything after 8 years or so.


No game company is going to limit itself to DX12 gamers only. You need windows 10 and a video card that supports DX12.

Thanks, that's what I was hoping to hear. Win7 has been rock solid for me, so I don't really want to update.
 

PrincessFrosty

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Yes I've upgraded, all the games I've tried work just fine so far, it's mostly a reskinned windows 7/8 so anything that works with those versions will almost certainly work in 10.

Performance is basically the same for everything, only in future with DX12 titles might we see reduction in overheads that cause frame rate increases.
 

CPA

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This is not what I've been told. I was in another forum back in August when someone actually went to Microsoft support and documented his whole experience asking three different Microsoft tech support person about the status of his Windows retail license after taking the free upgrade to Windows 10. In short, in the end he confirmed that the upgraded license is basically converted to a 'pseudo OEM' license tied to his current hardware. There is no way to extract the serial number from that installation, so in case he wants to install Windows 10 on a new build completely separate from the current machine (assuming, of course, that he won't be using the old machine anymore), there is no way to do so. Just like an OEM license.

Now, granted I haven't personally look into this and just believe what this person said, and there is a possibility that the policy has changed since August, so if you or someone else here knows otherwise, I'm glad to hear it.

Edit: Here's the key sentence from the report "You will get a product key during the in-place upgrade, but you will lose transfer rights during the process. You will then only be able to install on this machine from here on out "

Edit 2: Here's a somewhat related discussion in our own OS forum, just a few days ago



From Winsupersite <-- this article is really good and includes a lot of related information, including the comment section.

May be a silly question, but if I just upgraded a part, say a GPU, will that also impact the Win10 license? If not, at what point does the license become invalidated? New motherboard? New CPU?
 
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May be a silly question, but if I just upgraded a part, say a GPU, will that also impact the Win10 license? If not, at what point does the license become invalidated? New motherboard? New CPU?

I'm not a windows expert but I'd guess its like XP and beyond if you make major changes like a mother board or multiple small changes like sound card, video card and something else it will ask you to go to a chat box or make a call and its set to go.
 

Tweak155

Lifer
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When I read online about it when Win10 was release, it ties itself to the motherboard.
 

VashHT

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Well I recently built a new PC, and I had to go through a lot to get MS to transfer 10 to my new build but they did it.

Anyways here's what happened:
-Built new PC with new MB/CPU/RAM, moved the drives and video card from my old PC.
-I was expecting this to deactivate my Win10 licence and it did.
-I didn't read that it was an OEM licence or anything, I guess I figured whatever version of Windows you had before it would carry over. I had upgraded from Windows 8.1 Pro which was not an OEM version so I figured Windows 10 would be non OEM as well.

-After getting on the phone with MS for a long time, and after they tried a lot of things, they gave me a new Windows 10 key and told me to go through the upgrade process again. I assumed it would be easy like Windows XP, but none of the tools to reactivate the install worked.

-The key worked but it was for Windows 10 Pro N for some reason, not a big deal since the missing media features can be downloaded for free.

Some other side notes:
-My Windows 8 key still works fine, I had erased my old install of it so I had to do a fresh install, I installed it without any problems.
 
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