Windows 10 is actually faster than Win 7

[Ketchup]

One thing I might point out, at least in your situation Elixer, is that the upgrade may not have allowed all started programs to work correctly, and were therefore disabled. That would certainly account for a faster startup, and things seeming to run better with less pagefile being used.

I found two articles on such a comparison, and most real-would numbers are negligible:
http://www.maximumpc.com/windows-10-but-what-about-performance/
http://www.techspot.com/review/1042-windows-10-vs-windows-8-vs-windows-7/page3.html

 

[sweenish]

The Windows 10 hate is actually dumber than the Windows 8 hate, and that's impressive.

The biggest problem I ever had was having to find a newer driver for my wife's trackpad. It wasn't even that much of an issue.

There were a few times on my laptop that pressing the Windows key and typing didn't work, but the last big update seemed to have rectified that, although I wouldn't be suprised if it was a hardware issue on my laptop. Thing shipped with 7.

All this hate and blubbering, for what?

 

[Zodiark1593]

The Windows 10 hate is actually dumber than the Windows 8 hate, and that's impressive.

The biggest problem I ever had was having to find a newer driver for my wife's trackpad. It wasn't even that much of an issue.

There were a few times on my laptop that pressing the Windows key and typing didn't work, but the last big update seemed to have rectified that, although I wouldn't be suprised if it was a hardware issue on my laptop. Thing shipped with 7.

All this hate and blubbering, for what?

Not so much that I'm hating, but aside from my main desktop, and a laptop that has stopped getting GPU drivers since 2010 (and thus Win 10 won't work properly anyway), I don't have a beater system to give 10 a proper go on before putting it on my main system.

Win 10 is a fundamentally different experience than Win 7, I want to know all the ins and outs and any quirks it may have and overall get used to it before I go throwing it on my primary PC. I won't let it even touch my main system otherwise.

A dual boot is a consideration, but with 128 GB SSD as my boot drive, things will be cramped, thus, Win 10 isn't really on the table as of now.


TL;DR, I'm not hating on it, I just see no reason to rush over when 7 serves 99% of my needs (DX12 being that 1%) just fine.

 

[Z15CAM]

Sweenish! Other then your trolling Win7 users are not hateful of WinX other then we respect our privacy and hopefully MS has designed an OS that is compatible with our older hardware.

In my opinion, WinX has a way to go before I use it. Besides MS WHQL Digitally Signed Drivers always sucked, from my experience, and now enforced through WinX automatic updates makes me wary.

 

[Charlie98]

The Windows 10 hate is actually dumber than the Windows 8 hate, and that's impressive.

Oh, yea... certainly unwarranted. That's why MS rushed out W8.1 so everyone would forget this decade's version of WinME.

As far as W10 dissatisfaction goes, there are many reasons people are not happy with it, or avoiding it... maybe not for you, and that's OK.

 

[Puffnstuff]

It's kind of like trying to declare which ice cream flavor is the best. So many different opinions on the matter and nobody can agree on which one it is. Pick the one you feel suits your needs and drive on.

 

[JackMDS]

The biggest problem I ever had was having to find a newer driver for my wife's trackpad. It wasn't even that much of an issue.

MS does not write Drivers for every peace of Thousands of Hardware that is out there.

The OEM writes it and submits to MS.

Some of the Hardware/Drivers are POS to begin with and this has nothing to do with MS. Some manufactures of Computer hardware are notorious of buying Dubious hardware in order to make more money.

https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/hardware/dn913145.aspx

Blaming MS for problematic 3rd party Hardware/Software is at best "Juvenal".

That said, not coming Clean about the Privacy of Win 10 is an issue. My approach is to wait when business would start using Win 10 in a serious number MS would be "forced" to do something rational about it.

 

[mikeymikec]

The Windows 10 hate is actually dumber than the Windows 8 hate, and that's impressive.

All this hate and blubbering, for what?

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[ronbo613]

I can never understand people that get too attached to one Operating System.

I can explain that for you. Say you work on a computer and not play with a computer. You have software, often expensive software that you have tweaked and configured to do the work you need to do as quickly as possible. New operating system often means new hardware and new productivity software, so switching to a new "free" operating system may actually wind up costing you thousands of dollars so you stick with what is working for you without spending more money to do the same work you've been doing for the past few years.

 

[Mem]

I can explain that for you. Say you work on a computer and not play with a computer. You have software, often expensive software that you have tweaked and configured to do the work you need to do as quickly as possible. New operating system often means new hardware and new productivity software, so switching to a new "free" operating system may actually wind up costing you thousands of dollars so you stick with what is working for you without spending more money to do the same work you've been doing for the past few years.

I was speaking for the average home user, business wise well they the workers get paid to use what they are given.


As to specialized software I can understand that if you can't replace it or can't afford it, same goes for hardware however everything gets phased out sooner or later.

I hear same old arguments way back since my old DOS 6.22 days, I managed to get most of my software etc working on next generation of Operating Systems, fact is Win10 runs most stuff that Win7 has just fine.

Point still stands but I'll rephrase it better, I don't understand users that get too attached to one OS when their hardware can handle the upgrade and no general software issues in general regardless of gaming.

 

[Mem]

The Windows 10 hate is actually dumber than the Windows 8 hate, and that's impressive.

The biggest problem I ever had was having to find a newer driver for my wife's trackpad. It wasn't even that much of an issue.

There were a few times on my laptop that pressing the Windows key and typing didn't work, but the last big update seemed to have rectified that, although I wouldn't be suprised if it was a hardware issue on my laptop. Thing shipped with 7.

All this hate and blubbering, for what?

I said this would happen way back in the early Win8 days with all the start menu threads, things don't change much around here.

I remember when I stated have my front seat booked on the next OS, in a way it's funny and in a way it's quite sad, welcome to the 21st century.

To think everything is so damn easy on Windows as I scratched my head and look at other users out there that fall at the first hurdle.

 

[danny123]

I have used win 10 and i don't agree with this

 

[Charlie98]

I was speaking for the average home user, business wise well they the workers get paid to use what they are given.

As to specialized software I can understand that if you can't replace it or can't afford it, same goes for hardware however everything gets phased out sooner or later.

I hear same old arguments way back since my old DOS 6.22 days, I managed to get most of my software etc working on next generation of Operating Systems, fact is Win10 runs most stuff that Win7 has just fine.

Point still stands but I'll rephrase it better, I don't understand users that get too attached to one OS when their hardware can handle the upgrade and no general software issues in general regardless of gaming.

Business-wise, I AM the worker, too... and I don't get paid to fool around trying to learn new software, or to get my current software and drivers, etc to play nice with a new OS. It's about productivity, not a hobby.

Getting attached to an OS and a well-tuned PC is like driving my 7-year old truck... I don't have to 'think and dink' trying to use either one, I just get behind it and go... not having to think about where everything is. Certainly you would agree the UI of W7 is not the same as W8, and then again W10. There is a learning curve there that isn't necessary... I learned W7 after XP, all my software works well on W7. Yes, there are improvements in W8, and again with W10... but W7 is still serviceable and still, supposedly, under support by MS, so why change? When it EOL's in 2020, THEN it will be time to upgrade to Wxx (if they are still following the W10 model, or whatever,) learn it's peculiarities, square the soft- and hardware away, and go forward. Incremental change is stupid and costly, both in time and money. In my pickup truck example, it would be equivalent to buying a new truck every year because it's the 'newest version.'

 

[Puffnstuff]

You know I used to swear by win 7 and vehemently defended it when 8 was released. I found the tiled windows to be repugnant suitable only for a touch screen tablet. Then I became informed about the security changes that it brought to the table and then I discovered classic shell. After careful consideration I couldn't get to 8.1 pro x64 fast enough and abandoned 7 completely on both of my pc's. When 10 was released I upgraded just as soon as I could moving all three to it.

I could run 7 or 8 again if I had to otherwise I'll stick with 10 which gets better with each cumulative update. Early adopters of 7 had to wait for sp's to be released to get major updates. With 10 MS gives them to us on the fly which I find to be very convenient.

 

[escrow4]

Business-wise, I AM the worker, too... and I don't get paid to fool around trying to learn new software, or to get my current software and drivers, etc to play nice with a new OS. It's about productivity, not a hobby.

Getting attached to an OS and a well-tuned PC is like driving my 7-year old truck... I don't have to 'think and dink' trying to use either one, I just get behind it and go... not having to think about where everything is. Certainly you would agree the UI of W7 is not the same as W8, and then again W10. There is a learning curve there that isn't necessary... I learned W7 after XP, all my software works well on W7. Yes, there are improvements in W8, and again with W10... but W7 is still serviceable and still, supposedly, under support by MS, so why change? When it EOL's in 2020, THEN it will be time to upgrade to Wxx (if they are still following the W10 model, or whatever,) learn it's peculiarities, square the soft- and hardware away, and go forward. Incremental change is stupid and costly, both in time and money. In my pickup truck example, it would be equivalent to buying a new truck every year because it's the 'newest version.'

What learning curve? The desktop is still the desktop, the control panel is still the control panel, Explorer is still (renamed) Explorer. Nothing has changed. Type what you want into the start menu. What change?

 

[Mem]

Business-wise, I AM the worker, too... and I don't get paid to fool around trying to learn new software, or to get my current software and drivers, etc to play nice with a new OS. It's about productivity, not a hobby.

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I know companies that would fire you and replace you with somebody that adapts to the work environment whatever the OS or task they assign you to do or use, fact is you have to adapt to the work environment whatever the OS they use, if it's Win7 fine or if it's something else then you have to deal with that and not make excuses, companies can be choosy on their work force, plenty of other people queuing up if the worker in question can't deal with the work environment whatever the OS or task.

Fact is modern Windows is not rocket science, but then I know plenty of old workers in the old days that thought the CD drive bay was a coffee holder, how they got the job is beyond me.

Lets be honest here, there is virtually no skill to using modern windows, anybody with a brain cell can learn it fast, all I see a lot of excuses, sad indeed.

In my pickup truck example, it would be equivalent to buying a new truck every year because it's the 'newest version.'

Except OS lasts years and Windows in general is used the same way for decades , just seeing poor excuses.

Windows is used the same way, drivers installed same way,most of the layout is the same or not hard to find.

I almost wish for the old days where you had to use your brain with Operating Systems.

 

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[ratjacket]

My last experience with windows 10 made me realise what a good choice it was to uninstall it on my wife's laptop.

The neighbour had a cheap windows 10 laptop, resume is very fast but full reboot is nothing to write home about the same speed as 7 IMHO.

Now her antivirus had craped out and needed a file deleted in app data to allow it to work.

easy right. wrong!

try an account with admin rights, fail.
then I learn theirs another advanced admin mode, fail again.
Tired about 10 fixes from various different forums none of which worked.

then I remembered a stubborn file that was corrupt back in the day in XP I had to use a programme called move on boot to delete it, I tried that and bingo file gone.

If I want to do something on my system let me do it not give me multiple admin modes and all sorts of other shite like file owner etc. what a convoluted heap.

Just like UAC but much worse, I hate idiot mode.

 

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[Charlie98]

I know companies that would fire you and replace you with somebody that adapts to the work environment...


Lets be honest here, there is virtually no skill to using modern windows, anybody with a brain cell can learn it fast, all I see a lot of excuses, sad indeed.

I work for myself... I'm the labor, the secretary, the IT department, billing, and chief cook and bottle washer. So when I tell you it's a productivity thing, it's the truth.

Let's be honest here... answer my question, a simple 'yes' or 'no' will do:

Certainly you would agree the UI of W7 is not the same as W8, and then again W10.

The UI's between the 3 OS are different? Yes?

Truth is, I've had W8.1 on my GAME rig (with Classic Shell) and it was OK... neither good nor bad, just 'meh' and not enough to upgrade my W7 machines. I've had W10 on my GAME rig (again, with Classic Shell) and, again, neither good nor bad, just 'meh' and not worth the trouble to defeat auto updates and the telemetry nonsense. Because I like continuity across all my systems, I'm back to W7 on everything and that's where it will stay, for now. Your inability to acknowledge different needs and desires of other users outside of your petty bickering is sad, sad indeed.

The irony is that the "hate and blubbering" in this thread seems to be coming from people whining about Windows 10 hate that doesn't even exist.

Yup.

 

[Z15CAM]

I think you're missing something "YUP". Are you a Cylon or Human?
Don't get me wrong ;o)

 

[readymix]

I know companies that would fire you and replace you with somebody that adapts to the work environment whatever the OS or task they assign you to do or use, fact is you have to adapt to the work environment whatever the OS they use, if it's Win7 fine or if it's something else then you have to deal with that and not make excuses, companies can be choosy on their work force, plenty of other people queuing up if the worker in question can't deal with the work environment whatever the OS or task.

Fact is modern Windows is not rocket science, but then I know plenty of old workers in the old days that thought the CD drive bay was a coffee holder, how they got the job is beyond me.

Lets be honest here, there is virtually no skill to using modern windows, anybody with a brain cell can learn it fast, all I see a lot of excuses, sad indeed.







Except OS lasts years and Windows in general is used the same way for decades , just seeing poor excuses.

Windows is used the same way, drivers installed same way,most of the layout is the same or not hard to find.

I almost wish for the old days where you had to use your brain with Operating Systems.

after all you've said in this thread your just playing with yourself now.

 

[JimmiG]

Funny I hear that more from Win7 fans, nothing changes.

I had this from them on Win8 then 8.1 and now Win10 from Win7 fans, about time they except Win7 is on its way out, nothing will change that.

I'll probably see the same threads from Win7 fans on next Microsoft OS, roll on 2020 .

Well, I was definitely a "Win7 fan" when Windows 8 and 8.1 came out, simply because they were not very good operating systems. I didn't want a tablet GUI stretched all over my 27" screen. It was a misguided product of the overhyped tablet craze. Windows 10 kind of proved that the "Windows 7 fans" were right about the start screen.

However I actually like Windows 10 even though the UI is still uglier and less polished than Win7. Both Win8 and Win10 are faster and more efficient than Win7. It's just that with Win8, the trade offs in usability weren't worth it for a small performance gain.

 

[Charlie98]

after all you've said in this thread your just playing with yourself now.

In hindsight, I kind of wonder if he wasn't trolling me... I should know better. :\

 

[Mem]

after all you've said in this thread your just playing with yourself now.

Actually I'm playing or to be more accurate playing with a new Linux distro.

Getting back on topic, I do feel speed is not everything on Windows, do I think it's faster then Win7?.. Probably and I have fast boot etc disabled, however it's not at top of my list as important feature or aspect of any OS, stability/compatibility are more important but then can't say I have any issues so far with 10 in that department.

Aslo when people say speed do that mean boot up, gaming or something else ie daily use of OS, quite a few variables, let alone we all use different hardware so like I said not the most important thing for me in an OS.

In hindsight, I kind of wonder if he wasn't trolling me... I should know better. :\

You know what's sad about this OS forum or thread, is when I honestly post without insults or malice I get remarks like this from you and other members here .

Sad you have dropped to this level.

Btw I never troll, those that have been around in AT know this, debating in a thread is another thing.