Windows 2000 Pro vs Windows XP

chimpy

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What are the differences? I turn all the visual effects off when using XP, so that's not really an issue. Suppose I'm building a new computer, and I already have a copy of Windows 2000 Pro, but I'd have to buy XP Home. Which should I pick, and why?
 

stevty2889

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Well it depends somewhat on what CPU you are buying. Windows 2000 is a great OS, and not as much of a memory hog as XP. If you were to get a P4 with hyperthreading, win2k doesn't officialy support it. If you were to get a dual core, and planned on gaming at all, it would also be better to get winXP, since the AMD x2 driver requires XP with SP2, and the microsoft hotfix for dual cores is only available for windows XP with SP2 as well. I've never really had any problems with either OS.
 

FlyingPenguin

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At their cores, Win2K and WinXP are the same NT-based OS. However M$ has always used new hardware to force us to abandon old OSes. As STEVTY pointed out, there is no support for some new hardware features in Win2K yet (and may never be - remember how M$ promised USB support for WinNT and then pulled it at the last minute to force us to buy Win2K?).

Win2K Pros:
Lean, mean, low resource & memory usage, small drive footprint, runs fast as blazes on modern systems (since it was originally designed to run smoothly on a 64Mb system), less code bloat, no activation.

Win2K Cons:
Can be problematic to install on newer mobos unless you have a CD that has SP4 slipstreamed onto it (at a minimum SP3 since large drive LBA 48-bit support was not added to Win2K until SP3), no system restore, no driver roll-back, not as robust surviving system corruption as WinXP, usually doesn't boot as fast as XP.

I know plenty of people running Win2K who are serious gamers. I seriously debated going with Win2K on my main workstation last time I upgraded.

If you don't need the eye-candy or any of the little conveniences of XP, and prefer the classic windows desktop (I hate the look of XP) and want to save $100 then go with Win2K. Since 2K has a poor registry recovery system and no System Restore I would recommend using ERUNT which is a free app that backs up your registry on a WinNT/2K/XP system every time you boot, or manually. You can easily restore a backed up registry from the recovery console or a BartPE boot.

If you decide to go with WinXP you can make XP look and feel exactly like Win2K and disable a lot of the most annoying XP crap:

I carry a copy of this in my laptop for customers who want the classic Windows look, although I can do most of this from memory now...

- CLASSIC WINDOWS START MENU

Right-click Taskbar->Properties->Start Menu tab->Classic Start menu



- CLASSIC WINDOWS DESKTOP

Control Panel->Display Properties->Appearance tab->Change "Windows and Buttons" to "Windows Classic style"



- HOW TO FORCE WINXP TO REMEMBER EXPLORER WINDOWS SIZES

This won't matter to you if you have Windows setup to use the same Explorer window for new explorer views, but freaks like me like to open a new window each tiem we open a folder. XP has a VERY annoying habit of not remembering the sizes of Explorer windows even if you have it configured to do so (which it's supposed to be by default in Folder Options, View, and then checking "Remember each folder's view settings".

This may not annoy you if you use the icon view in explorer but I use detailed view and I resize each explorer window a certain size to suit me.

This will fix it:

Go to My Computer, bring down the Tools menu, click Folder Options then View.

Check "Launch folder windows in a seperate process". Reboot is required to make it take effect.



- DISABLE TASKBAR GROUPING
One of Microsoft's dumber ideas.
Right-click taskbar, select properties, uncheck "Group similar taskbar buttons"



- WIN2K-STYLE FILE SEARCH
Say goodbye to the newbie file search and the stupid animated dog.
Run Regedit. Go to HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Cu
rrentVersion\Explorer\CabinetState and add a new string (REG_SZ) called "Use Search Asst" - set the value to "no" and you will have the classic win2000 search and none of that XP categorized nonsense, you dont even have to reboot!



- CLASSIC WIN2K LOGIN PROMPT (INSTEAD OF THE WELCOME SCREEN)

Go to control panel -> user accounts -> "Change the way users log on or off" -> uncheck the first box "Use the Welcome Screen". This gives you a regular Win2k/NT logon screen. This also allows you to easily logon as Administrator (the normal XP logon prevents you from logging on as Administrator).



- RESTORE THE CLASSIC WIN98/2K DETAILS VIEW IN MY COMPUTER

I don't like the way that XP groups items together in My Computer. I'm used to and prefer to see them listed alphabetically by drive letter.

Open My Computer -> View -> Arrange Icons By -> uncheck "Show in groups"

This also works in the Network Connections BTW.



- GET THE CLASSIC MEDIA PLAYER BACK
(Note: WMP 6.4 can't play WMP 9 codecs - bastards at MS want to force us to use WMP 8 or higher, so you may want to leave WMV files associated with WMP, or another alternative is to download the free MEDIA PLAYER CLASSIC, or the free version of BSPlayer.)

I DETEST the Windows Media Player after version 6. Laggy code-bloated POS that it is. I much prefer Media Player 6.4 that came with Windows 2K. Windows XP still has Media Player 6.4 installed:

1. Click on the Start button and select Run.
2. Type "mplayer2" and click OK. Now you have the original Media Player loaded.

To make this the default media player follow the directions below:

1. When the classic Windows Media Player is running, click on the view menubar and select options.
2. Then click on the format tab and choose which formats you would like it to open by checking the box.
3. Click OK, now all of the formats you selected will open with the classic Windows Media Player.

If you need to make a shortcut for it do a file search for MPLAYER2.EXE and create a shortcut.





- WIN2K-STYLE SECURITY PERMISSION FOR SHARED RESOURCES (disabling "Simple Networking"):

(Note: Unless you're an IT geek or have a need to assign different permissions to different users on a network, you're better off using the default "Simple Networking")

Fire up Windows Explorer.
Go to Tools>Folder Options.
Hit the View tab. Scroll to the bottom.
Un-check "Use Simple File Sharing (Recommended)"



- REMOVE SHARED DOCUMENTS FROM MY COMPUTER

Removing the Shared Documents folders from My Computer can be done without editing the registry in WinXP Pro.

1. Go the the Start menu, and click on Run.
2. Type gpedit.msc
3. Now go to User Configuration, Administrative Templates, Windows Components, and click on Windows Explorer.
4. In here, you'll see the option Remove Shared Documents from My Computer. Double click on that, tick Enabled, and click OK. And that's all.



- HOW TO FIX THE PROBLEM OF WINDOWS XP LOSING WINDOW POSITIONS AND VIEW SETTINGS

By default XP only stores Window positions and views for the last 400 folders (or
windows) which means that once this is exceeded, new folders will not store their
last positions or correct settings. To get around this, run Regedit and delete these
two keys :

HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Shell
NoRoam\BagMRU
HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Shell
NoRoam\Bags

Then add the following lines which will make the 400 limit
increase to 1000 - should be enough for normal use.

Run Regedit, find these two keys:

HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Shell

HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Shell
NoRoam

Add this new DWORD value under BOTH above keys:BagMRUSize (with size 1000 decimal)

Then reboot.



- FIX FOR SLOW PERFORMANCE WHEN RIGHT CLICKING ON A FILE OR FOLDER

Turn off the transition effects for menus and ToolTips. To do this, follow these steps:

- Click Start, and then click Control Panel.
- In Control Panel, double-click Display, and then click the Appearance tab.
- On the Appearance tab, click Effects.
- In the Effects dialog box, click to clear the Use the following transition effect for menus and tooltips check box, and then click OK two times.



- FIX FOR VERY SLOW BROWSING OF SHARED NETWORK RESOURCES
There's a bug in WinXP that causes a long delay when you browse a shared network resource on another Win2K or XP computer. This is because XP is try to search the "Scheduled Tasks" folder on the other computer.

NOTE: This is SUPPOSED to have been fixed in SP2 but it still crops up sometimes - only do this if you have this problem.

Disable searching for scheduled tasks by deleting this registry key:
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\
CurrentVersion\Explorer\RemoteComputer\NameSpace\
{D6277990-4C6A-11CF-8D87-00AA0060F5BF}



- FIXING MOUSE LAG IN GAMES
(Note - this is becoming less of a problem as newer games and mouse drivers automatically compensate for it, but it helps in older games):

Microsoft, the kind people that they are, want you to use their own DirectX API and especially Direct Input. They know that everyone hates them, so they are going to force it on you. So, what they have done, is made your mouse more processor dependant, and took out the acceleration options from the mouse CPL. Within Direct Input, it gets CPU priority and it'''''''t have the acceleration on by default. Since most older games use the older more standard method of tracing mouse movements, they get it from the default Windows mouse interrupt handler. Now, if too much of you processor is elsewhere, your mouse is gonna seem less responsive (this is really noticeable in Counter Strike and Day of Defeat). So.... here is the fix.

Download the latest intellipoint drivers, install them, then, when the point32.exe (the main exe for your mouse I think), is running, we need to give this CPU priority over Half-Life. To do this, right click the task bar, click Task Manager, click the processes tab, look for point32.exe, right click that, click set priority, and click High. Do this for type32.exe if you have an M$ keyboard. I have both, and I discovered the fix whilst tinkering today

You will also have to add this to the command line of your HL.

-noforcemparms -noforcemaccel

This should clear up any of the issues.

For Quake 3:

+_windowed_mouse 1 -dinput


- DISABLE INDEXING SERVICE

In Windows XP Computer Management window expand the following:
Services and Applications > Indexing Service > System > Directories

and make sure all directories listed show No for the Include in Catalog. If not, double-click on the directory or directories and select No to Include in Index.

Double-click on My Computer, right-click on the C: drive and click Properties, unselect Allow Indexing Service to index this disk for fast file searching. Click Apply.

In the Confirm Attribute Changes window select Apply changes to C:\, subfolders and files and click OK to continue.

When complete, close the C: Properties window.

Repeat for any other drives other than C&
 

imported_rod

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Don't buy winXP if you already have a copy of win2K. Windows Longhorn/Vista should be out within the next 6 months, and that will replace XP. Wait 'till then before buying a new OS.

RoD
 

FlyingPenguin

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I would not rush to Vista. 1st year of a new OS is always a nightmare for driver support and compatibility issues. Win2K & XP will be the solid OSes for the next year and a half at least.

 

imported_rod

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Well, I had an OEM copy of XP home before it's official release, and the only problem I ever had was with my graphics card drivers. And those problems were fixed within a month. And hey, i always want to be on the cutting-edge of technology.

Also, vista will take advantage of 64-bit and dual-core CPU's, so if you have one of these, vista may offer better performance.

RoD
 

theMan

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personally, i win2k is way better than XP. i have used xp, and switched back to 2k because it was less stable. maybe it was just a fluke, but i got at least 3 bsod's in the 6 months i had xp, and ive never had one with 2k. also, i hate all the graphical stuff in xp

the only thing i like about XP is its loading times, boy, are they fast compared to 2K. it seems like i have to wait an eternity before 2K boots, but i dont mind too much.
 

MrChad

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Originally posted by: theman
personally, i win2k is way better than XP. i have used xp, and switched back to 2k because it was less stable. maybe it was just a fluke, but i got at least 3 bsod's in the 6 months i had xp, and ive never had one with 2k. also, i hate all the graphical stuff in xp

BSODs are the result of hardware or driver issues. Your stability problems had nothing to do with XP.
 

Brian48

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I still use and love Win2k. In fact, I find it hard to leave it entirely. Thus far for me, my Win2k machines can do everything my WinXP machines can do. Unless you're a real fan of some WinXP-only applications like WMP10, I would say stick with Win2k if you already have it and not bother with a second WinXP license.
 

Matthias99

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Originally posted by: rod
Well, I had an OEM copy of XP home before it's official release, and the only problem I ever had was with my graphics card drivers. And those problems were fixed within a month. And hey, i always want to be on the cutting-edge of technology.

Also, vista will take advantage of 64-bit and dual-core CPU's, so if you have one of these, vista may offer better performance.

WinXP already uses multiple cores just fine, as does WinNT and Win2K (at least the Server versions thereof). I'm sure there is room for more parallelism in the kernel/GUI code, though, so Vista might see more improvement from multiple CPUs than WinXP does.

WinXP 64-bit is also a 64-bit OS, if you have 64-bit apps to run on it.

Nothing wrong with upgrading to Vista right away when it comes out, but I'm personally going to wait a bit for them to shake out the bugs.

Also, OP, there are a *ton* of threads on this topic in the Operating Systems forum. Please search for FAR more information than you probably really want. In practice, there is little difference between Win2K and WinXP other than the GUI changes (and some of the security changes mentioned above) and some internal API changes that mostly affect developers.
 
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Originally posted by: FlyingPenguin
I would not rush to Vista. 1st year of a new OS is always a nightmare for driver support and compatibility issues. Win2K & XP will be the solid OSes for the next year and a half at least.

I have personally used Vista beta 1 and 2 and am part of the CTP team also, waiting on that build to be realsed so I can play around with it. Vista is alot more stable than XP, you have to rember that Vista formally known as Longhorn has been in the works sense before XP came out. MS has spent alot of time working on the new Vista and it is really nice to use, I use Beta 2 as my primary OS right now. If you liked 2k but XP just wasn't for you, well then Vista isn't either. It's more glossy, and becomming less power user firnedly, for 2k users I suggest Longhorn Server, its more geared towards the features you love.
 
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