Windows 2000 server 10 client. What are "clients"?

davework

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We are being forced to upgrade to a Server/Client setup. If we buy Win 2k server for 10 clients what exactly does that mean. I assume it means that the OS is set up to accept 10 clients (computers, printers on the network, etc) and not that it will install versions of "client" software on 10 machines.

We would still have to buy seperate OS for each workstation on the network right?

Thanks in advance!
 

bsobel

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We are being forced to upgrade to a Server/Client setup. If we buy Win 2k server for 10 clients what exactly does that mean. I assume it means that the OS is set up to accept 10 clients (computers, printers on the network, etc) and not that it will install versions of "client" software on 10 machines.

Correct.

We would still have to buy seperate OS for each workstation on the network right?

Yes.

Bill
 

HypNoTic

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Windows 2000 and Windows XP licenses include "client" access to Windows 2000 Server ressources. If you have any Windows 9x/ME/NT4 or any non-Microsoft OS that must access the server, each computer will require a CAL (Client Access License) to be legit.

Suppose a network with 3 servers (DC, Exchange and FileServer), 100 Windows XP workstation and 50 Linux workstations. To be perfectly in law, you'll need 50 license on each server (assuming your Exchange is only used internally, open it to the world and things changes). Hope this help!

Any more question ? jpelland at sinc dot ca
 

bsobel

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Originally posted by: HypNoTic
Windows 2000 and Windows XP licenses include "client" access to Windows 2000 Server ressources. If you have any Windows 9x/ME/NT4 or any non-Microsoft OS that must access the server, each computer will require a CAL (Client Access License) to be legit.

Good point, I forgot to mention that. Presuming your clients are 2k or Xp, you won't have to buy the extra licenses (but will have to buy the OS)

Bill
 

davework

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Thanks for all the fast replies!

So, if we buy win 2k server 5 client edition and we buy win XP standard for our 4 workstations then the 5 "clients" for the server can be devices other than the workstations, such as network printers, non windows workstations, etc? What about hubs, internet connections and the like?

We have a very simple set up. 5 total machines, all exactly alike on a peer to peer network. Printers are hooked directly to the computer that uses them and they are shared if necessary.

Do we need the 10 client edition? (seems we dont!)

 

HypNoTic

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So, if we buy win 2k server 5 client edition and we buy win XP standard for our 4 workstations then the 5 "clients" for the server can be devices other than the workstations, such as network printers, non windows workstations, etc? What about hubs, internet connections and the like?

Network devices are not considered clients. Neither are printers or SAN. We talk about users workstation only.

We have a very simple set up. 5 total machines, all exactly alike on a peer to peer network. Printers are hooked directly to the computer that uses them and they are shared if necessary.

Do we need the 10 client edition? (seems we dont!)

If you have a dedicated Server :
1x Windows 2000 Server edition - the base is 5 CAL
4x Windows XP Professionnal edition

If you have 5 users on 5 PCs, i still recommend low-cost solution in "P2P" mode :
5x Windows XP Profesionnal edition with file&print sharing on 1 computer

depend on your exact needs
 

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Originally posted by: HypNoTic
Windows 2000 and Windows XP licenses include "client" access to Windows 2000 Server ressources. If you have any Windows 9x/ME/NT4 or any non-Microsoft OS that must access the server, each computer will require a CAL (Client Access License) to be legit.

Suppose a network with 3 servers (DC, Exchange and FileServer), 100 Windows XP workstation and 50 Linux workstations. To be perfectly in law, you'll need 50 license on each server (assuming your Exchange is only used internally, open it to the world and things changes). Hope this help!

Any more question ? jpelland at sinc dot ca

I believe the more common setups are per seat allocations where 150CALs is going to license you for 150 clients accessing any of these 3 servers that you specified. To be perfectly legal in this scenario the organization would need both an NT/2k CAL for each user accessing the server farm as well as an Exchange CAL for each user that has a mail enabled user account -- I believe this is how the MS licensing structure is still being put out.
 

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just out of curiosity, how's it work for a webserver? Can you only process 10 GET requests at a time?

bart
 

N11

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Originally posted by: Buddha Bart
just out of curiosity, how's it work for a webserver? Can you only process 10 GET requests at a time?

bart

In the general win2k server environment a windows 2000 server license allows for no restrictions on http traffic. I believe the only instances where http traffic is regulated based on concurrent connectivity is with windows 2000 professional.

In the server arena, you pay them $700 for the server license, which includes IIS, and you can pound the web services until your heart is content.

When your users begin to authenticate via NT authentication then client access licenses come into the picture. But for general page requests there is no limit.
 

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Originally posted by: Buddha Bart
just out of curiosity, how's it work for a webserver? Can you only process 10 GET requests at a time?

bart
Here is some good information:
Does Number of Client Access Licenses Correlate with Number of Web Sites You Can Host?

Q: We bought 5 client access licenses with our Windows 2000 standard server. Does it mean that IIS only can host 5 web sites?

A: Licensing IIS servers is often misunderstood. Obtaining the right number of Client Access Licenses is important but that is only part of the story.

It all hinges on what you mean when you say you want to "host" web sites. Standard Licensing specifies that you may not use the software for "commercial hosting". So if you plan to sell the use of your IIS server like a web hosting provider does you are required to become a Microsoft Certified Partner and obtain proper licensing. There are two ways to meet this requirement, the most common of which is to purchase a Service Provider License Agreement. See http://www.microsoft.com/serviceproviders/licensing/default.asp for details. Once obtained, you are not limited to the number of sites you can host on a single server.

On the other hand, if, for example, your company makes paper airplanes and you wish to sell them using IIS on your server, you are not providing commercial hosting so you do not need a Service Provider License Agreement.

So what about Client Access Licenses? You need a Client Access License for every user that you authenticate with the local SAM or Active Directory, except for the IUSR_<servername> account using anonymous authentication. To quote from http://www.microsoft.com/windows2000/server/howtobuy/pricing/model.asp, "Access to Internet sites by anonymous users does not require a CAL."

In other words, you can have five users authenticated to user accounts on your server and an unlimited number of anonymous users browsing IIS. This can all be with one web site or as many web sites as your server will manage. So, the number of CAL's is independent of the number of web sites you can host.
IIS Insider - August 2002
 
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